How much electricity Can i use without drawing suspicion

Just pay your bill Ha ha ha , Dude where I live your hear on the news 3-4 time a year about the police and the power company working together to bust growers . The power company prob have a special
group investigating it. People who go real big tend to rent industrial stetting or multiple houses , Ive heard 8 1000 and no more . The stove and you dryer sucks lots of power to sam,thing to think about.
 

couvan57

Active Member
Thanks for the advice. Im pretty sure i would have to change the service or add an additional box. Renting a commercial building scares the shit out of me since I work for a commercial property management co and have to check stuff out at our properties and depending on nature of work, i generally dont give notice. Always stuck with me. I guess i should rent out a second house and solve most of my worries. Would it hurt to purchase surge protector unit thing, that you plug 8 lights into and it distrubutes the electricity evenly over a 24hr period. What i didnt understand bout that product is that its 8 in and only one plug to socket. I dunno, I have a ton of lights a nice market but just dont wanna make any missteps, in fact, I would like to be under the radar completely, could I turn the power on under a company name such as mc welding or something and recieve commercial rates. Has anyone tried anything like that. Thanks
 

CheechD

Member
If you wer goin to run that many lights you better have a work shop front to hide whats goin on have a welder and a bunch of shop equipment to justify the power useage
 

CLOSETGROWTH

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I completely disagree with everyone who says 'just pay your bill and nothing will happen.'

I pay my bill every month on time, and we went from 3 1000w hps and 2 400w mh,(about $550) to 5 1000w hps (about $700) and within a month I had the electric company come, turn off my power for 1-2 minutes while they switched my meter box out to replace it with a new one. Then the same guy came out 3 times a week for 2 weeks to check the meter and make sure the same consumption was going on. (Electricity company told me all of this)

When I called the electric company to see what was going on, why there was always someone comin by and why I hadnt received a notice or anything, they said that when my meter reached about 113 kw / day (I believe that was the number) it sent out a red flag to the company saying too much energy was being taken in, and to check the meter to see if something was wrong with it. I told the guy I had 4 other roommates and that at any given time someone was always home using something. He then informed me that for the energy we were using, it would have to be a family of 10, all of them never leaving the house, for that much energy to be used.

I immediately went back to 3 1000w (fucked myself btw) and went 16/8 in my mother/veg room. I havent seen him since then, but then again I havent called, and I only saw him the one time when he turned my power off and I damn near had a heart attack right on the spot.

So.... bullshit they dont care.... or.. I'd like to hear from someone whos running a REAL, FULL set up without extra juice coming in from an outside source, or rigging their box, and see what they have to say.
good post :)
 

CLOSETGROWTH

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Hey guys, I am starting a grow now, I have like 400-500 clones going. I am veg em alittle more and double the clone amount. Anywho, after running some numbers my initial estimate of 12 1000w hps systems soil grow etc just is going to yield what i want in the perpetual harvest. I want to go up to about 21- 24 1000w hps systems. That would put my bill at about 460 bucks a months. Do you think that would draw suspicion. I am trying not to get caught. But if i do penalties are that bad. My last house with three roomates, big screen tvs and such electric was about 300 - 325. If i pay my electric bill do you think, ill get hasseled. Most of the grow will be in the basement. I wont be having a tv or anything on ever, just maybe the light in the room im in on to read or something. Can i pull it off. WOuld it be wise to call electric company and tell them that I am switching to electric heat and ask them blah blah blah how much its gonna raise my bill and so on just curious. How to do it how to do it. Or am i gonna have to get a another grow house .err
Ummm.. your figures are way off...Running 24 1000 watt lights in veg will cost you way more than what you mentioned...
 

Michiganman247

Active Member
Most of the busts I hear about in MI are power consumption related. If you dont think they are going notice 24 1K watters your out of your damn mind. I think your multiple house idea is the way to go. Then if anything goes wrong you still got half your product to fall back on.
 

jawbrodt

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I was thinking about buying a 2000 watt 'quiet running' gas generator, and running that for 12 hours a day. I'm running 1800 watts of HPS, and figured the generator will be able to handle that. If not, I'll unplug one of the 400 watt lights and use my house electric. The cost to operate the generator is about $200-250 a month, which is twice as much as it would cost for regular electricity, but the extra cost might outweight the risk? It's something I've been thinking about doing in the summertime, when electric consumption is lower(in my area). In the winter, 1800 watts is nothing compared to houses heated with electricty, and isn't out of the ordinary. 24,000 watts is a hell of a large amount of draw, so i thought I'd throw that out there as a possible option.
 

violator kush

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gas generator is the way to go, because if your droping some g's on lights and other stuff, u can drop some a couple of grand for a generator, on cnbc, i watch this one grow, with these gaint , i mean like mf huge kat genertor they were usings(just some random stuff about gens) they said those generator as costed half a million..... they had two or three.....:bigjoint:
 

permagrow

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what they usually do... in mexico..is climb up the huge towers cutting through the desert. the 300 foot tall ones. and throw a extension cord over the right hand side wire.. and drop it down to the ground.,then you have to cook up teh last wire to the base of the tower thats the white wire. if you do this diy set up you can runn 32 600 watters
 

BlueFish

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Stealing electricity is a great way to get caught. The electric company does not like it when you fuck with their bottom line, and they will bring the police down on you.

As far as the OP, that's a lot of power consumption. Way more than should be coming out of any one house. A rough rate for electricity where I live after all charges is about 10 cents per kwh. You'll be drawing 432 kwh per day at 18/6 and 288 per day on 12/12, and that's just lights. With that much lighting you're going to need some serious cooling. You're looking at 1500 a month in electricity easy. If you don't pay pronto, they're going to get really pissed, and they're going to start investigating what was using 1500 dollars of electricity.

You should really think about renting out some shitty apartments and putting a couple thousand watts in each, or downsizing your grow. A big grow like that is going to draw a lot of attention that you don't want.
 

blahblahblah123

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what they usually do... in mexico..is climb up the huge towers cutting through the desert. the 300 foot tall ones. and throw a extension cord over the right hand side wire.. and drop it down to the ground.,then you have to cook up teh last wire to the base of the tower thats the white wire. if you do this diy set up you can runn 32 600 watters

lol.. on the 150,000 volt lines??... you realize that can arc through like 3 feet of open air and kill you.. dont even have to touch it 0.0

not to mention the fact that you need a lil factory of transformers and shit to get the voltage down where you can use it...
 

patlpp

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what they usually do... in mexico..is climb up the huge towers cutting through the desert. the 300 foot tall ones. and throw a extension cord over the right hand side wire.. and drop it down to the ground.,then you have to cook up teh last wire to the base of the tower thats the white wire. if you do this diy set up you can runn 32 600 watters
I want some of your shit.....:weed:
 

cowboylogic

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what they usually do... in mexico..is climb up the huge towers cutting through the desert. the 300 foot tall ones. and throw a extension cord over the right hand side wire.. and drop it down to the ground.,then you have to cook up teh last wire to the base of the tower thats the white wire. if you do this diy set up you can runn 32 600 watters
WTF!&^%$#! That is the most insane post I have ever read, in any forum!!!!!!!
 

slomoking13

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what they usually do... in mexico..is climb up the huge towers cutting through the desert. the 300 foot tall ones. and throw a extension cord over the right hand side wire.. and drop it down to the ground.,then you have to cook up teh last wire to the base of the tower thats the white wire. if you do this diy set up you can runn 32 600 watters
Sweet, so lemme get this straight... all i gotta do is climb a 300 foot tower and throw my extension cord over it? I don't know about you guys but im gonna be runnin my 32 600 watters for free in no time! :wall:
 

pompel

Member
24 x 1000w? That is a lot. How much extra wattage do you need for cooling, do you think? As far as I've understood, a digital ballast emits a electric "signature", that the power company can "see" if they supervise the electricity (not 100% certain of this). Anyways, in Europe you can but a "thingy" that hides this emittance, you can have a look here: http://pflanzburg.de/store/product_info.php?cPath=1_13&products_id=782
I would be surprised if you can't something similar in the US. Unfortunately, it's only offered for 400w and 600w, but 3 x 600w is as efficient as 2 x 1000w, IMO. It's in German, but it's quite self-explanatory... You can reduce the wattage by using light-movers (claimed to raise efficiency 30%) and use high-quality light-reflective material. Before you purchase your bulbs, have a look at sun pulse, interesting stuff... (www.sunpulselamps.com)
 

dr.skunkfunk

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BRO your math is way off on your electric cost..... 24 1000w hps systems.="That would put my bill at about 460 bucks " now way in the world ..

24 1000 watt light s = 24lights x1000watts each x 12hrs per day x28 days per month/divided by 1000 = 8064 kilowatts used the rate utility company charges for power

in California......... pge charges at cheapest level 17 cents per kilowatt hour..... so if you lived in California that would be 8064 x .17 =1370.88 just for the flowering lights ...on the cheapest level...

if you live in the same house and have heat, computers , hot water heaters dishwasher watch tv and shit.. your bill is going to be closer 1700 -2000 each month...

in reality PGE and in California charges on an increasing sliding scale .. so first 1000 kilowatts is .17 then the second is .22 then up to .44 cents so ...and so on ... this varies from area to area and month to month BUT this is what it was last month

as of last month in santa cruz california three 1000 watt plus 2 400 watt cfl plus 4 8ft floresent light bars plus pumps timers and fans was $750 bucks ...

i had an extremely low baseline because my house was listed as natural gas heat.. i called pge and they came out and saw the electric heat and switched me to a higher baseline.. or my bill would have been way over $1000.. the guy was cool and only looked where i took him.. so no one was the wiser. but i was stressed for sure.


electric companies have a BASELINE usage ... which means the ammount and average house of this size will use anything over that baseline they usually will charge more per kilowatt..
if it soars to 4-5 times baseline .. they will asume the meter is broken and try to figure out what is going on....

In the usa it takes more than a high elec. bill for a search warrent but.. cops often get electric use info illegally or through second hand info like a service man tells someone or makes a joke to a buddy about the hippies and the insane power bill ..... and they are on your ass ...anway they will do a knock and talk and ask ya whats going on and if they smell weed or see dreadlocks or grow supplies .. they are gonna come back with a warrent .....depending on where you live...

In practise in northern california it is not uncommon to have $2000 light bills .. I had one that was $3800 once in humboldt county... blew it up and then moved... so its like i said it depends on where you live.

if you live in the south your busted for anything out of the $375 -400 range...

if you realy want to get a 24 1000 hps going get a 30,000 watt propane generator from costco and have at it ..grow that shit.

i have switched to light movers on six foot rails which takes care of a 4x8 area its way cheaper and yeilds are just as good and i have no heat issues

good luck
 

couvan57

Active Member
BRO your math is way off on your electric cost..... 24 1000w hps systems.="That would put my bill at about 460 bucks " now way in the world ..

24 1000 watt light s = 24lights x1000watts each x 12hrs per day x28 days per month/divided by 1000 = 8064 kilowatts used the rate utility company charges for power

in California......... pge charges at cheapest level 17 cents per kilowatt hour..... so if you lived in California that would be 8064 x .17 =1370.88 just for the flowering lights ...on the cheapest level...

if you live in the same house and have heat, computers , hot water heaters dishwasher watch tv and shit.. your bill is going to be closer 1700 -2000 each month...

in reality PGE and in California charges on an increasing sliding scale .. so first 1000 kilowatts is .17 then the second is .22 then up to .44 cents so ...and so on ... this varies from area to area and month to month BUT this is what it was last month

as of last month in santa cruz california three 1000 watt plus 2 400 watt cfl plus 4 8ft floresent light bars plus pumps timers and fans was $750 bucks ...

i had an extremely low baseline because my house was listed as natural gas heat.. i called pge and they came out and saw the electric heat and switched me to a higher baseline.. or my bill would have been way over $1000.. the guy was cool and only looked where i took him.. so no one was the wiser. but i was stressed for sure.


electric companies have a BASELINE usage ... which means the ammount and average house of this size will use anything over that baseline they usually will charge more per kilowatt..
if it soars to 4-5 times baseline .. they will asume the meter is broken and try to figure out what is going on....

In the usa it takes more than a high elec. bill for a search warrent but.. cops often get electric use info illegally or through second hand info like a service man tells someone or makes a joke to a buddy about the hippies and the insane power bill ..... and they are on your ass ...anway they will do a knock and talk and ask ya whats going on and if they smell weed or see dreadlocks or grow supplies .. they are gonna come back with a warrent .....depending on where you live...

In practise in northern california it is not uncommon to have $2000 light bills .. I had one that was $3800 once in humboldt county... blew it up and then moved... so its like i said it depends on where you live.

if you live in the south your busted for anything out of the $375 -400 range...

if you realy want to get a 24 1000 hps going get a 30,000 watt propane generator from costco and have at it ..grow that shit.

i have switched to light movers on six foot rails which takes care of a 4x8 area its way cheaper and yeilds are just as good and i have no heat issues

good luck
Yeah most of what you say is true, my rates for the first 640kw are 4.326 cents and anything above and beyond that is 5.9 cents. Supposedly cheapest in the country. I know that there is no way i can run 24000 i do want to run half that. i believe when i did that math that that would be around 400 bucks. Electricity is so cheap now, assuming it will not be like this forever, why not take advantage of it. I cannot believe what others are paying it is absolutely outrageous. When i did the math i just assumed at the higher rate plan. Right now, I have durban poison, ww, and some strain called lavender which ive never heard about, but looks amazing from what ive seen, crystals the size of rhinestones.

That is what i have for equipment, i am just trying to figure out what i can use safely and under the radar. I know i ll be on the high end of the radar. I keep have these weird thoughts about buying a fake or broken 3 ton ac unit and put in the back yard and i have an old 5 person jacuzzi, do lay of some off some the concerns when the meter guy comes out.

If i had ten lights say, would you guys recommend running five on a time. Some will be upstairs some downstairs. Kind of even off meter readings, or possibly all on a night like i have done in the past (smaller scale). I clone strictly under cfls and use no veg time. As soon as there rooted they go under 12-12.

I am thinking about doing 4 per sq ft lollipopped. and running a 6x6 or 7x7 area. I know 7x7 is pushing it but only the plants on the outside would be affected. I am going to use mylar and these lights are air cooled so heat should be too much of an issue. During the summer months when it gets alittle warmer, i will use c02 so my temps can rise. Only get about 10 or days in the 90s.

I know the age old questions doesnt have an answers but if you were a gambler. If you ran 144 plants in a 6x6 area of ww, i hope to get approximately 4-8 grams a plant. That would put me at 1.25 pounds to 2.5 pounds per light, which i can live with. Run cycles ever 2.5 months, I should be alright.

The state I live in's law is grouped together like, anything under 50 pounds selling or growing, is like up to 9 months or 5k fine first offense or both. Which is still the same as have a couple of ounces. it goes from anything more than one ounce to 50 pounds.

thanks agin for all the input
 
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