How many of you are going to bitch about Obama care after 2016?

Canna Sylvan said:

Cheesy,

New Hampshire is the only state with voluntary car insurance, my illegal loving nutbar.

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WRONG

In New Hampshire you are REQUIRED to have uninsured motorists coverage

ChesusRice said:

WRONG

In New Hampshire you are REQUIRED to have uninsured motorists coverage

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Learn how Google works, illegal lover.

"Does New Hampshire require insurance on a vehicle?
No. New Hampshire is not a mandatory or compulsory
insurance state. Proof of insurance may be required as the
result of a conviction, crash involvement, or administrative
action. If you are required to file proof of insurance and
vehicles are registered in your name, you will be required to
file an Owners SR-22 Certificate of Insurance."

Canna Sylvan said:

Learn how Google works, illegal lover.

"Does New Hampshire require insurance on a vehicle?
No. New Hampshire is not a mandatory or compulsory
insurance state. Proof of insurance may be required as the
result of a conviction, crash involvement, or administrative
action. If you are required to file proof of insurance and
vehicles are registered in your name, you will be required to
file an Owners SR-22 Certificate of Insurance."

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You are right
I am wrong

canndo said:

Somehow you want government to stay the fuck out of our lives, not help those who have health problems but within there somewhere you want the government to influence people to not be lazy and not be fat.


The logic here escapes me.

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This post makes no sense. Nowhere did I say I want the Government to influence people about anything. How about an educated response without the bullshit. I listed numerous facts that you are ignoring by stating something that has no facts.

Guitar Man said:

This post makes no sense. Nowhere did I say I want the Government to influence people about anything. How about an educated response without the bullshit. I listed numerous facts that you are ignoring by stating something that has no facts.

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theses a fact that you seem to have missed out

the obese die younger and cheaper than healthy people who live to a ripe old age (and in doing so cost health service more)

just yet i'm going to hold back on my sources as you have provided none of your own (perhaps in the process of backing up your facts you'll come back here with your hat in hand)

the biggest drain on your healthcare is the baby boomers who at the moment are all lining up to go into retirement and subsequent old age (where all the costs lie)

also on the list of people that cost less money are smokers who also die you, quick and cheaper than the healthy population

People keep getting told that preventative medicine makes costs cheaper when in reality, if you have to pay for all the healthcare for a person, the preventative care allows them to live longer thus costing more money, not less money.

But people dont take the time to think things through.

NLXSK1 said:

People keep getting told that preventative medicine makes costs cheaper when in reality, if you have to pay for all the healthcare for a person, the preventative care allows them to live longer thus costing more money, not less money.

But people dont take the time to think things through.

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preventative health care is different from personale responsibility healthcare

one is making sure people have quality of life from disease they have no choice over

the other is letting them have their own choices about how healthy they want to live their lives

i fully support paying for preventative healthcare

and i fully support paying for healthcare for people who take thier own healthcare to a frivolous extreme

once you get to the point of denying healthcare on either of these reasons IMO you may aswell be talking about culling the population "for cost sake"

NLXSK1 said:

People keep getting told that preventative medicine makes costs cheaper when in reality, if you have to pay for all the healthcare for a person, the preventative care allows them to live longer thus costing more money, not less money.

But people dont take the time to think things through.

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This is the biggest round of horse shit I've ever seen in my life!!!! Do you seriously have any idea what you're talking about???? If I take care of myself, Health wise, I won't need a dam doctor!!! Wow, just unbelievable!!!

Guitar Man said:

This is the biggest round of horse shit I've ever seen in my life!!!! Do you seriously have any idea what you're talking about???? If I take care of myself, Health wise, I won't need a dam doctor!!! Wow, just unbelievable!!!

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till what age?

ginjawarrior said:

preventative health care is different from personale responsibility healthcare

one is making sure people have quality of life from disease they have no choice over

the other is letting them have their own choices about how healthy they want to live their lives

i fully support paying for preventative healthcare

and i fully support paying for healthcare for people who take thier own healthcare to a frivolous extreme

once you get to the point of denying healthcare on either of these reasons IMO you may aswell be talking about culling the population "for cost sake"

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Obamacare denies healthcare based on age of the recipient.

Hell, Medicare denies 3 times more procedures than private insurance.

Yet somehow you think the government healthcare is better in some way without looking at the statistics.

Type 2 Diabetes is an epedemic with children because of obesity. These children are becomming a massive burden on our Health Care system.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/30/health/research/obesity-and-type-2-diabetes-cases-take-toll-on-children.html?_r=0

Guitar Man said:

Type 2 Diabetes is an epedemic with children because of obesity. These children are becomming a massive burden on our Health Care system.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/30/health/research/obesity-and-type-2-diabetes-cases-take-toll-on-children.html?_r=0

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Get em on the cannabis oil... Fat little fucks...

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Alcohol, Obesity and Smoking Do Not Cost Health Care Systems Money[/h]

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[/TD]

It’s a common enough argument around the world at the moment, that various unhealthy behaviours increase the costs to health care systems. Thus those unhealthy behaviours should be taxed more heavily so as to pay for the costs to those health care systems. The only problem with the argument is that it is entirely gibbering nonsense, unhealthy behaviours reduce costs to health care systems: if we are to accept the initial logic then we should subsidise them, not tax them.

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...moking-do-not-cost-health-care-systems-money/

link to study in link

NLXSK1 said:

Obamacare denies healthcare based on age of the recipient.

Hell, Medicare denies 3 times more procedures than private insurance.

Yet somehow you think the government healthcare is better in some way without looking at the statistics.

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the statistics from my countries government health care fares better than your current system

ginjawarrior said:

the statistics from my countries government health care fares better than your current system

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It is comparing apples to oranges. You do not get the exact same healthcare as here in the US. I cant say whether it is better or worse but the procedures are different, the education of the doctors is different, the technology is different, the waiting times are different, etc.

And although it seems to have been slipped through the door, healthcare is not a right in the US.

The US has led the world for hundreds of years... which country should we be more like?

If government takes over all of healthcare it will not get better or cheaper, it will get worse and more expensive. Take that to the bank...

ginjawarrior said:

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...moking-do-not-cost-health-care-systems-money/

link to study in link

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Come on, ginjawarrior!! Do you really believe that obesity is our way out of high health care costs?? You need to smoke another bowl!!!

http://www.foodproductdesign.com/news/2012/09/u-s-obesity-rates-balloon-health-care-costs-skyro.aspx

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity-prevention-source/obesity-consequences/economic/

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/18/health/us-obesity/index.html

NLXSK1 said:

It is comparing apples to oranges. You do not get the exact same healthcare as here in the US. I cant say whether it is better or worse but the procedures are different, the education of the doctors is different, the technology is different, the waiting times are different, etc.

And although it seems to have been slipped through the door, healthcare is not a right in the US.

The US has led the world for hundreds of years... which country should we be more like?

If government takes over all of healthcare it will not get better or cheaper, it will get worse and more expensive. Take that to the bank...

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you've led the world for what 70 years

and in that time healthcare has never been something your good at
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[TD]85.1[/TD]
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[TD]82.0[/TD]
[TD]80.0[/TD]
[TD]84.0[/TD]
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[TD]79.4[/TD]
[TD]84.5[/TD]
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[TD]81.8[/TD]
[TD]80.2[/TD]
[TD]83.3[/TD]
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[TD]6[/TD]
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[TD]81.2[/TD]
[TD]78.9[/TD]
[TD]83.6[/TD]
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[TD]7[/TD]
[TD] Singapore[/TD]
[TD]81.0[/TD]
[TD]79.0[/TD]
[TD]83.0[/TD]
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[TD]8[/TD]
[TD] Spain[/TD]
[TD]80.9[/TD]
[TD]77.7[/TD]
[TD]84.2[/TD]
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[TD]8[/TD]
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[TD]80.9[/TD]
[TD]78.7[/TD]
[TD]83.0[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD] Canada[/TD]
[TD]80.7[/TD]
[TD]78.3[/TD]
[TD]82.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD] Macau[/TD]
[TD]80.7[/TD]
[TD]78.5[/TD]
[TD]82.8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD] France (metropolitan)[/TD]
[TD]80.7[/TD]
[TD]77.1[/TD]
[TD]84.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD] New Zealand[/TD]
[TD]80.2[/TD]
[TD]78.2[/TD]
[TD]82.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD] Norway[/TD]
[TD]80.2[/TD]
[TD]77.8[/TD]
[TD]82.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15
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United Kingdom[/TD]
[TD]80.1[/TD]
[TD]78.1[/TD]
[TD]82.1[/TD]
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[TD]16[/TD]
[TD] Austria[/TD]
[TD]79.8[/TD]
[TD]76.9[/TD]
[TD]82.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD] Netherlands[/TD]
[TD]79.8[/TD]
[TD]77.5[/TD]
[TD]81.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD] Portugal[/TD]
[TD]79.5[/TD]
[TD]76.5[/TD]
[TD]82.4[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD] Martinique ( France)[/TD]
[TD]79.5[/TD]
[TD]76.5[/TD]
[TD]82.3[/TD]
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[TD]18[/TD]
[TD] Greece[/TD]
[TD]79.5[/TD]
[TD]77.1[/TD]
[TD]81.9[/TD]
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[TD]21[/TD]
[TD] Belgium[/TD]
[TD]79.4[/TD]
[TD]76.5[/TD]
[TD]82.3[/TD]
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[TD]21[/TD]
[TD] Malta[/TD]
[TD]79.4[/TD]
[TD]77.3[/TD]
[TD]81.3[/TD]
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[TD]21[/TD]
[TD] Germany[/TD]
[TD]79.4[/TD]
[TD]76.5[/TD]
[TD]82.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD] U.S. Virgin Islands ( US)[/TD]
[TD]79.4[/TD]
[TD]75.5[/TD]
[TD]83.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD] Finland[/TD]
[TD]79.3[/TD]
[TD]76.1[/TD]
[TD]82.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD] Guadeloupe ( France)[/TD]
[TD]79.2[/TD]
[TD]76.0[/TD]
[TD]82.2[/TD]
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[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]Channel Islands ( UK)[/TD]
[TD]79.0[/TD]
[TD]76.6[/TD]
[TD]81.5[/TD]
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[TD]27[/TD]
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[TD]79.0[/TD]
[TD]76.5[/TD]
[TD]81.6[/TD]
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[TD]29[/TD]
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[TD]78.9[/TD]
[TD]76.5[/TD]
[TD]81.3[/TD]
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[TD]30[/TD]
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[TD]78.8[/TD]
[TD]76.5[/TD]
[TD]81.2[/TD]
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[TD]31[/TD]
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[TD]78.7[/TD]
[TD]74.7[/TD]
[TD]82.7[/TD]
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[TD]31[/TD]
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[TD]78.7[/TD]
[TD]75.7[/TD]
[TD]81.6[/TD]
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[TD]31[/TD]
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[TD]78.7[/TD]
[TD]77.2[/TD]
[TD]81.5[/TD]
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[TD]34[/TD]
[TD] South Korea[/TD]
[TD]78.6[/TD]
[TD]75.0[/TD]
[TD]82.2[/TD]
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[TD]34[/TD]
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[TD]78.6[/TD]
[TD]75.5[/TD]
[TD]81.5[/TD]
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[TD]78.3[/TD]
[TD]76.0[/TD]
[TD]80.6[/TD]
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[TD]36[/TD]
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[TD]78.3[/TD]
[TD]76.2[/TD]
[TD]80.4[/TD]
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NLXSK1 said:

It is comparing apples to oranges. You do not get the exact same healthcare as here in the US. I cant say whether it is better or worse but the procedures are different, the education of the doctors is different, the technology is different, the waiting times are different, etc.

And although it seems to have been slipped through the door, healthcare is not a right in the US.

The US has led the world for hundreds of years... which country should we be more like?

If government takes over all of healthcare it will not get better or cheaper, it will get worse and more expensive. Take that to the bank...

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In regards to Canada

Our health system should be like Canada
They beat us on every Metric except for cost

Their system is cheaper

I really get a kick out of Rich Fucks telling us what our health care system should be like

They dont give a crap how long you live
They got theirs
Fuck you

Guitar Man said:

Come on, ginjawarrior!! Do you really believe that obesity is our way out of high health care costs?? You need to smoke another bowl!!!

http://www.foodproductdesign.com/news/2012/09/u-s-obesity-rates-balloon-health-care-costs-skyro.aspx

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity-prevention-source/obesity-consequences/economic/

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/18/health/us-obesity/index.html

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no the way for you to cut healthcare costs is to go single payer system like every other 1st world country

blaming it on fat people doesnt fit