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guitarabuser
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So how many voters are going to change party affiliations and declare as independents? Anybody fed up with both major parties enough to vote differently?
Operation 420
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I think we should start a "People's Party". Just a fresh start with none of the old stigma attached to it.
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guitarabuser
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Why not a "Party party"? Only people that want to have a good time can join. lol
Personally, I no longer feel that voting for a third party is a wasted vote. I now think that voting for the same old same old is a wasted vote. I've voted for candidates from the Dems and the Pubes, and every time they took office they pushed us further into bummerville.
Personally, I no longer feel that voting for a third party is a wasted vote. I now think that voting for the same old same old is a wasted vote. I've voted for candidates from the Dems and the Pubes, and every time they took office they pushed us further into bummerville.
hom36rown
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And what exactly would be the platform of the people's party?
Operation 420
Well-Known Member
Taking the country back from bureaucrats, and putting it back in the peoples hands.
Actually getting back to a real government where the people elect their officials, not the highest bidder.
I like the Party Party idea guitarabuser
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Keenly
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the 2 parties are one in the same, taking 2 different paths to the same goal
a world government
a world government
Dolce Vita
Active Member
the differences between the left and the right are so small and the issues that seperate them are hyped by the media so that the people wont really see whats going on.
hanimmal
Well-Known Member
I have been a independent for a while now. But the problem is unless on the local level it is 100% a wasted vote. The dems and Republicans are so close it doesn't really matter. I would like to see the Libiterians and Green party gain some steam and have a 4 party system here in the states so that we can actually vote the issues and not just the same thing arguing different points they both agree on.
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guitarabuser
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I really think that we need a viable third party (at least) that is based on the concepts of the actual constitution. I'm reading Ron Paul's book Revolution right now and its amazing how far we have drifted from what the drafters of the constitution had in mind.
medicineman
New Member
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Brilliant.
ViRedd
New Member
For a guy who said only yesterday that he was leaving the site, you're doing a whole lot of hanging around. Do you Democrats ever keep your word or tell the truth?
Just open the door, walk through it ... and don't let it hit you in the ass on your way out.
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hanimmal
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Even if you don't like him, you have to admit those are not legit third parties yet.
Basically as it stands now most of the independent parties now are just ways to waste your vote.
And all Ron Paul is doing now is hurting the republican party (which w/e it doesn't matter anyway) by pulling away votes that would go to them. That is why it needs to be balanced on the other side with the Green party so that way one is not screwing the other without some balance.
Basically as it stands now most of the independent parties now are just ways to waste your vote.
And all Ron Paul is doing now is hurting the republican party (which w/e it doesn't matter anyway) by pulling away votes that would go to them. That is why it needs to be balanced on the other side with the Green party so that way one is not screwing the other without some balance.
ViRedd
New Member
The Green Party isn't the answer to "balance" anything. The GP is just another socialist party disguising itself in environmental clothing. Have you read their materials? Here's their platform:
http://www.gp.org/platform/2004/
After you've read it, please come back and tell us how they differ from the Democrat Party, or the U.S. Communist Party for that matter.
Here's the Communist Party U.S.A site:
http://www.cpusa.org/
Here's the Democrat Party site:
http://www.democrats.org/a/party/platform.html
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hanimmal
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Can you read my statement again. I am saying that a libertarian party would just screw the republican party. Having a left wing party would balance out the votes so that all 4 would be in a better balance. And Germany had a green party chancelor and they did not become a communist state.
Don't people look at the Libertarian party as a party of anarchy party? Does that mean as soon as Ron Paul got into office he was going to melt everything that was not attached to the constitution? No of course not. That is balance, he would be fought by the dems and reps. And jsut like if the green party (who mostly look to help out the entire society See bullet points here: http://www.gp.org/platform/2004/intro.html#998247).
Do they have it right? No of course not. They don't have enough good economics in the u.s. arm of the party to really be on point, but that doesn't mean that they don't have a lot of good they fight for. Just naive about how important the free market is.
I am just saying balance everything. The 2 party system would get hosed if it was just 3 with republican and libertarian splitting their votes leaving the majority for the dems. Look no further than Clinton's first election for how that works.
Don't people look at the Libertarian party as a party of anarchy party? Does that mean as soon as Ron Paul got into office he was going to melt everything that was not attached to the constitution? No of course not. That is balance, he would be fought by the dems and reps. And jsut like if the green party (who mostly look to help out the entire society See bullet points here: http://www.gp.org/platform/2004/intro.html#998247).
Do they have it right? No of course not. They don't have enough good economics in the u.s. arm of the party to really be on point, but that doesn't mean that they don't have a lot of good they fight for. Just naive about how important the free market is.
I am just saying balance everything. The 2 party system would get hosed if it was just 3 with republican and libertarian splitting their votes leaving the majority for the dems. Look no further than Clinton's first election for how that works.
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guitarabuser
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I have a feeling that those folks out there that might go third party are on both sides of the aisle so to speak. A third party would pull votes from both of the other parties.
Personally, I think that the extremism is alienating alot of folks. You get to choose between puritans and socialists. I would think that an effective leader knows when to be a conservative, moderate, liberal, and radical depending on the problem at hand.
Mindmelted
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Time to clean house..Both
ViRedd
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So, if we put one foot in a bucket of ice water, and the other foot in a bucket of boiling water, on "balance," we'll feel comfortable?
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hanimmal
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Yeah I didnt say Make one a facist and one a commy, I said lib and green! They would not be too far out there. And say what you will there are a lot of good greens that are just for a more ecological solution without hampering the free market, not talking about the people that think poison ivy in batman had the right idea.
