How Many Amps from a Basic House?

mr.smileyface

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Ok i have a 100 amp breaker. Now im wondering if i can do 100 amps off that breaker? Im pretty sure normal houses can only do 60 amps.
Im wondering how much power i can run without my house burning down?
 

growone

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sustained 100% utilization is a recipe for disaster in electrical wiring
the rate needs to be substantially less, can't recall the exact number, i thinks it is close to 60%
but do some reading on a reputable site for residential electrical
 

Oldreefer

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!00 amp boxes are now considered somewhat small...most homes now have at least 200 amp boxes....When I do remods, I'd only use a 60 amp on a pool house or something small...That being said...I live in a home with a 100 amp box....run ac, 400w hps + T5 setup + centri fans with no prob....my other grow location was off a 60 amp box with a 1000 w + 400w hps systems running...no prob.....hope that helps...
 

mr.smileyface

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sustained 100% utilization is a recipe for disaster in electrical wiring
the rate needs to be substantially less, can't recall the exact number, i thinks it is close to 60%
but do some reading on a reputable site for residential electrical
Yea that sounds about right. I think its 80 percent. I googled, yahoo'd. looked for an hour before i asked.
 

mr.smileyface

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!00 amp boxes are now considered somewhat small...most homes now have at least 200 amp boxes....When I do remods, I'd only use a 60 amp on a pool house or something small...That being said...I live in a home with a 100 amp box....run ac, 400w hps + T5 setup + centri fans with no prob....my other grow location was off a 60 amp box with a 1000 w + 400w hps systems running...no prob.....hope that helps...
I just dont want a fire. Will the main breaker flip if overloaded? Or will it not know and burn down.
Im only gonna be running 70 amps total. I need someone will experiance in electrical. I just want to make sure the service wire will hold a 70 amp load. Considering it looks like a 6 gauge cable. 6 Gauge pushes about 65 amps on a max load. I could be wrong about the size tho. But there is a 100 amp breaker that looks like it was put there when the house was built.
 

mr.smileyface

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Here is what im getting at. Lets say you have a 100 amp breaker. Will you get more power outa a 200 amp breaker? I thought it depends on the line coming in. Cause i could put a 400 amp breaker there. But it wont do any good cause i dont have three phase power. I could install a couple 400 amp breakers but that doesnt mean i have more usuable power. Because the cord coming in cant handle as much as i want.
 

growone

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Here is what im getting at. Lets say you have a 100 amp breaker. Will you get more power outa a 200 amp breaker? I thought it depends on the line coming in. Cause i could put a 400 amp breaker there. But it wont do any good cause i dont have three phase power. I could install a couple 400 amp breakers but that doesnt mean i have more usuable power. Because the cord coming in cant handle as much as i want.
there is going to a limiting factor, not sure how large a breaker a 6 gauge(?) service will support
i see that 2 gauge aluminum is mentioned as being adequate for 100 amp - so guessing the 6 gauge wire you're talking about is copper?

EDIT: this is what isee for gauge and breakers from a quick search

Electric Furnaces, Large Electric Heaters 60 Amps 6 Gauge
Electric Furnaces, Large Electric Water Heaters, Sub Panels 80 Amps 4 Gauge
Service Panels, Sub Panels 100 Amps 2 Gauge
Service Entrance 150 Amps 1/0 Gauge
Service Entrance 200 Amps 2/0 Gauge
 

mr.smileyface

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there is going to a limiting factor, not sure how large a breaker a 6 gauge(?) service will support
i see that 2 gauge aluminum is mentioned as being adequate for 100 amp - so guessing the 6 gauge wire you're talking about is copper?

EDIT: this is what isee for gauge and breakers from a quick search

Electric Furnaces, Large Electric Heaters 60 Amps 6 Gauge
Electric Furnaces, Large Electric Water Heaters, Sub Panels 80 Amps 4 Gauge
Service Panels, Sub Panels 100 Amps 2 Gauge
Service Entrance 150 Amps 1/0 Gauge
Service Entrance 200 Amps 2/0 Gauge
Maybe it is Aluminum. I guess that makes sense.
 

gkjuggalo

Member
you can use up to 80% of the breakers rating without tripping it all the time so basically you can use 80 amps n thats alot .are you using gona be using 70 amps continously?
 

NewGrowth

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You can pop a bigger breaker into the main panel but usually the electric company will require a line upgrade for that. It's pretty unlikely much would happen to the incoming if you "upgraded" the main to say 200amps. Utilizing all that amperage would probably not be smart though, Fires just are not worth it in my book. Try looking for circuits you don't use or putting in the split breakers to free space in the panel.
 

Badmf

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Actually you should use less with an older house and be safe. Find out what gauge the wire is and "Don't" exceed that. So even if you put in a bigger breaker you would defeat the purpose of having one. It (the breaker) is set to trip if amperages for the wire used are exceeding safe levels. You are looking at the "Main" breaker (100 amps) and not the individual circuits. Each one is either 15/20/25/30 and you must stay below 80% of that individual circuits breaker. I would run a second panel off the main, just for a grow. Larger than needed wiring and double pole double throw breakers. Use a licensed electrian since you aren't familiar with this area. If you are doing say two 1k's on a 20 amp circuit run your fans periheral equipment on another circuit.:blsmoke:
 

NewGrowth

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I agree all grow rooms should be wired with a minimum of 12gage wire, 14gage is common residential wiring. Spreading the load across multiple circuits works and running 240v lighting will cut your amperage in half.
 

mr.smileyface

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Actually you should use less with an older house and be safe. Find out what gauge the wire is and "Don't" exceed that. So even if you put in a bigger breaker you would defeat the purpose of having one. It (the breaker) is set to trip if amperages for the wire used are exceeding safe levels. You are looking at the "Main" breaker (100 amps) and not the individual circuits. Each one is either 15/20/25/30 and you must stay below 80% of that individual circuits breaker. I would run a second panel off the main, just for a grow. Larger than needed wiring and double pole double throw breakers. Use a licensed electrian since you aren't familiar with this area. If you are doing say two 1k's on a 20 amp circuit run your fans periheral equipment on another circuit.:blsmoke:
I know all that. I wired all my timing boards to seperate breakers. I got two 50's and a 40. So im good in that area. All my stuff is wired right and safe. I only use 14 for the lights and 6 for the boards. Im just wondering if i can do 70 amps off the whole thing. I guess ill be fine if i have a 100 amp. I just wasnt sure if it was 100 amp line coming into the house. But why would there be a 100 amp main breaker.
I am familyar with eletricity and wiring. Boards etc. Im just not familyar with running a whole breaker panel.
Some one told me i could do 12/12 so i figured 60 amps max. But maybe i didnt include all the a.c's and other power hogs. The main reason i am asking this is cause i want a veg/clone room so its perpetual. I do have 100 amp main breaker so im pretty sure i can run 70 no problem. Thanks guys
 

Badmf

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The "main" is just that the MAIN it will throw if the total is exceeded. But individual circuits are only going to handle the amperage the wires max is minus 20% for safety. If you have circuits capable of running your load then no sweat, right?
 

IAm5toned

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Because many of the equipment a successful grow requires runs @ periods longer than 6 hours, we must factor that into the wiring and equipment that powers the grow, because if we dont, in the least, you will have nothing but problems with breakers and gfci's constantly tripping, and in the worst, will have equipment damage, fires, injury, and even worse things... well now, your probably asking, how does this continuous duty thing work?

well the way it works is for any equipment that is to be energized for a period greater than 6 hours shall be rated @ 120% of the maximum ampacity... 6 hours or greater of operation is considered a continuous duty cycle, this is done to protect the thermal element inside the breaker/fuse. not only can it cause premature tripping or nuisance tripping, but it can also fuse/weld the breaker shut and cause a failure to trip in a short circuit condition., if you run it @ its maximum rated load with a continuous duty cycle, especially over extended periods of time. the danger is not on the first run, but maybe on the 5th.... by rating your breakers @ 80%, you prevent that. also the wiring itself, has a slight resistance, which can cause it to heat up over extended periods of operation, and this is yet another reason that continuous duty rating must be applied to grow room equipment.
here is a basic demonstration on how a continuous duty calculation is applied to rating an electrical circuit/device:
with a 100 amp breaker, just because the numbers are simple to demonstrate-

100 amp breaker = 100% load = 100 amp

80% load = 80 amps.

80 amps x 120% = 100 amps

you can see you the 120% works now. by rating your breakers @ 80%, your rating your equipment for 120% ampacity, as required by code
multiplying the max amperage by .8 on a breaker, gives you the exact number of amps you can safely run. to find the watts, you can use the equations on the power wheel to convert the amps to watts. the equation works either way. i always use amps myself just because thats just easier for me, ive been doing it long enough i tend to have all the wattage's memorized anyway...

so to size a breaker for a grow op- multiply the max wattage of all connected equipment by 120%. then convert the wattage into amperage by dividing by the voltage.

here is an example: (im just inventing the wattage's, bear with me if there not dead on), for a basic setup, running on 240vac:

3 600 hid lights. max input power = 660w per ballast.
2 fans 45w each
2 pumps, 75w each
timer/contactor 20w

660 x 3
45x 2
75 x 2
+ 20
_________
2240w
x 120%
_________
2688w

2688w/240v= 11.2 amps @ 240v. you always round up to the nearest size so for our examples sake it would be a 15 amp breaker.

to find what you can run on an existing breaker-

multiply the amperage by the voltage by 80%

20 amp breaker, @ 120v... how many lamps can i run on it??

20 x 120 x 80% = 1920w of lighting goodness for your baby girls.

1920w x 120% = 19.2 (always round up, remember?? so its 20 amps.)

and that's how it works, continuous duty rating for any power equation.

common continuous duty grow operation wattages based on voltage, with breaker and wire sizes. all wire sizes are based on thwn-2/thhn Cu conductors with a max run of 300'
breaker size----volts------ max wattage allowed ----smallest wire size allowed

* 15 amp breaker @ 120v = 1440w(12 amps actual) max = #14 awg Cu wire, min
* 20 amp breaker @ 120v = 1920w(16 amps actual) max = #12 awg Cu wire, min
* 30 amp breaker @ 120v = 2880w(24 amps actual) max = #10 awg Cu wire, min
* 40 amp breaker @ 120v = 3840w(32 amps actual) max = #8 awg Cu wire, min
* 60 amp breaker @ 120v = 5760w(48 amps actual) max = #6 awg Cu wire, min
* 100 amp breaker @ 120v = 9600w(80 amps actual) max = #3 awg Cu wire, min

* 15 amp breaker @ 240v = 2880w(12 amps actual) max = #14 awg Cu wire, min
* 20 amp breaker @ 240v = 3840w(16 amps actual) max = #12 awg Cu wire, min
* 30 amp breaker @ 240v = 5760w(24 amps actual) max = #10 awg Cu wire, min
* 40 amp breaker @ 240v = 7680w(32 amps actual) max = #8 awg Cu wire, min
* 60 amp breaker @ 240v = 11520w(48 amps actual) max = #6 awg Cu wire, min
* 100 amp breaker @ 240v= 19200w(80 amps actual) max = #3 awg Cu wire, min​
this, and more info, can be found by clicking the link in my sig.
 

Tckcliff

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another idea you can do is to run a flip box, this can double the space with half the load in a sense.
 

Tckcliff

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and you are talking about running some major power to what seems to be a small grow(from what i got in description 2k watts, and fans, i may be wrong) that will not even come close to that power up take.

just to throw it out there,I am building and will be running a 24 light system and I would use less than a 300 amp, but if its 220 or commercially ran 330 i practically dont have any amps. I know you in a house so you dont have the commercial choice, but in a house i would run 220 to keep ampage low.
 

Tckcliff

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also an idea for ac is to use a backdraft dampener along with the flip box you can really do some work
 
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