Clockboy Orange
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Your source says rocket, other dude says cannon. Sounds like it got the bomb dropped on it to me.
Glad to see there are rounded people out there who look farther than our own news.
How do you feel about America bombing a hospital?
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Glad to see there are rounded people out there who look farther than our own news.
Harrekin
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AC130s have a vulcan cannon in their nose, and variable armaments under it wings, it could've been all 3.
Clockboy Orange
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Some power on those things, you just made me interested in looking up the AC130.
Why the need for insults?
I read upwards of a half dozen + news sites daily including this one.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/10/5/us-commander-says-afthans-requested-airstrike-in-msf-hospital.html
I have no agenda here, and an AC-130 is not a bomber - cannon fire would be a much more accurate description.
Clockboy Orange
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I suppose agenda might not be the proper term, whether it be missile, cannon, gunshots... the shitty thing is our country might pay a price for these possible war crimes. When a country gets sanctions against it the ruling class can usually blow it off but the rest of us will have to work for it.
That is if this even gets a war crime charge. I highly doubt it will.
It's a shitty deal regardless of how it went down and I heartily welcome an impartial investigation(s) to not only place the blame in the proper place, but to also do our damnedest to keep this from happening again.
Harrekin
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Just for accuracy, I made a mistake, I described a A10 Warthog instead of an AC130.
Marijuanas all up in brain.
Though AC 130's in their various configurations do indeed carry the 20mm Vulcan (typically either 2 or 4) to my knowledge they are usually mounted in the Port side fuselage amidships mixed with other weaponry.
Again, it depends on which variant the aircraft in question is.
AC-130A Spectre Gunship
- 4× 7.62 mm GAU-2/A miniguns
- 4× 20 mm (0.787 in) M61 Vulcan 6-barreled gatling cannon
- 2× 7.62 mm GAU-2/A miniguns
- 2× 20 mm M61 Vulcan cannon
- 2× 40 mm (1.58 in) L/60 Bofors cannon
- 2× 20 mm M61 Vulcan cannon
- 1× 40 mm (1.58 in) L/60 Bofors cannon
- 1× 105 mm (4.13 in) M102 howitzer
(Prior to circa 2000)
- 2× 20 mm M61 Vulcan cannon
- 1× 40 mm (1.58 in) L/60 Bofors cannon
- 1× 105 mm (4.13 in) M102 howitzer
- 1× 40 mm (1.58 in) L/60 Bofors cannon
- 1× 105 mm (4.13 in) M102 howitzer
- 1× General Dynamics 25 mm (0.984 in) GAU-12/U Equalizer 5-barreled gatling cannon
- 1× 40 mm (1.58 in) L/60 Bofors cannon
- 1× 105 mm (4.13 in) M102 howitzer
pnwmystery
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Bwahahaha GreatWhiteNorth copied a Reuters article and you told them to read a real news source and put up a... reuters article.
I believe the last I posted was an al jazeera article.
Harrekin
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He's pretty dumb, his mother must've smoked too much crack when she was pregnant.
mr sunshine
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I don't feel anyway about this. This doesn't really involve me,I'm just trying to pay my bills.
Harrekin
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The problem isn't really the air strike itself, it's how the narrative changed from "tragic mistake" to "nuh uh, the Taliban were there".
The fog of war is a very real thing.
We may never know the truth about what happened.
We may never know the truth about what happened.
Harrekin
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If it was a tragic accident people would just accept it and move on.
It's when the denial machine kicked in, that's when people got pissed off.
pnwmystery
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It was a Reuters article (see the logo at the top?) reposted by Huff post then you proceeded to post a Reuters article. So if I'm dumb you must be a complete and utter idiot.So far it looks like the air strike was called in by the Afghan's because the Taliban was using the facility as a firing position.
Afghan Forces Requested Hospital Air Strike, U.S. Says
U.S. Army General John Campbell says a preliminary report is expected "very shortly."
By Yeganeh Torbati
Posted: 10/05/2015 11:01 AM EDT | Edited: 3 hours ago
WASHINGTON, Oct 5 (Reuters) - Afghan forces asked for U.S. air support while fighting the Taliban in Kunduz shortly before an air strike resulted in the deaths of civilians there, the American commander of international forces in Afghanistan said on Monday.
U.S. Army General John Campbell's comments fell short of squarely acknowledging U.S. responsibility for an air strike that killed 22 people in an Afghan hospital run by aid group Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) on Saturday.
"We have now learned that on October 3 Afghan forces advised that they were taking fire from enemy positions and asked for air support from U.S. forces," Campbell said in a briefing with reporters. "An air strike was then called to eliminate the Taliban threat, and several civilians were accidentally struck."
Campbell said U.S. forces were not under direct fire in the incident and the air strike had not been called on their behalf, contrary to previous statements from the U.S. military. He criticized the Taliban for fighting from within urban areas and putting civilians at risk.
"If errors were committed, we'll acknowledge them," Campbell said. "We'll hold those responsible accountable, and we'll take steps to ensure mistakes are not repeated."
U.S. Army Brigadier General Richard Kim is the senior investigator on the incident and is in Kunduz now, Campbell said. He said the U.S. military will ensure transparency in investigating the incident, and that NATO and Afghan officials would conduct their own investigations as well.
MSF, also known as Doctors Without Borders, has demanded an independent international probe into the strike, which it referred to as a "war crime." Campbell said there would be U.S., NATO, and Afghan investigations into the strike.
"If there's other investigations out there that need to go on, we'll make sure to coordinate those as well," Campbell said.
Campbell declined to comment on whether the United States had called a pause to air strikes, but said he had not suspended "train, advise, and assist" support from U.S. forces to the Afghans.
Campbell said he expected a preliminary report on the incident "very shortly, in the next couple of days."
Did your mum have a wee bit too much of the drink when she was carrying you babby?
ttystikk
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I'm gonna call you out on that.
You can't say war is necessary and then say 'peace'
Pick one, and stick to it.
ttystikk
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That rapid fire autoloaded howitzer on a recoiless mount is one bad ass piece of equipment. What's left after a few minutes of attention from that would definitely look like a bombing... at least.
Indacouch
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No
I wasn't saying peace in the situation or topic I was saying. Peace I'm out. And yes I can say whatever I want .......