Hormones vs Co2 - Hormones Cheaper Potentially Yeild the Same!

born2killspam said:

Nope, fluorescein.. http://www.jstor.org/pss/2437099 I know its not a widespread idea, I just figured that if anybody had read more about it, it may be you.. Its pretty easy stuff to get your hands on, and its all around cool stuff..

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First thing that pops to me is the fact it falls into that third group of Growth regulators - NOT FOUND IN PLANTS OR SOILS NATURALLY.
This paper only observes growth over SHORT sand cutlures with one other base medium, and there is no long term effect stated. Botinists have dismissed so thats got to say something........... It seems positive but scary !

Fluorescein FOR DATA RFFERENCE
ABSTRACT: from link above...
The experiments reported confirm the results of earlier experiments in which fluorescein was found to increase growth of plants when applied in low concentration and to inhibit growth when applied in high concentration. Plants treated with low concentrations responded by producing heavier tops, roots, more fruit and also by showing a qualitative improvement. Experiments in sand culture showed practically the same per cent increase as those carried out in plots in heavy adobe, indicating that the effect of fluorescein is general and not restricted to one kind of soil. Sand culture experiments of short duration in the greenhouse and the darkroom, when giving to young tomato plants fluorescein of high and low concentration, showed that a definite acceleration or inhibition of stem elongation was evident within three days. A possible explanation is discussed of the mechanism of the action of fluorescein.

eza82 said:

This is a great idea & falls in line with my theory - so its a emergency response that will help produce resin!....... but you are naturally inducing it ! Here was my tech version............

"Gibberellin/Brassinostreroid would be made when mature cells have less than enough shoot nutrients, i.e. sugar and Oxygen to survive especially if environmental conditions are poor. "GAA intensified the growth of the plants, the average weight of flower, the photosynthesis rate, and the sugar content .
- this is like an emergency response hormone "

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Agreed but,sorry to always be seeming negative,gibberilins in all forms can cause hermiefication

GA3 imbalances affect the ethylene pathways in the plants.. Depending on extent, and time of occurance this can have differing effects.. It might make the game a little risky, but there is no shortage of info on this one imparticular, so with proper research, and careful application its more than likely a regimen can be found that yields a good bonus with little to no risk..
And I think you just gotta say risks be damned, this is for research.. I wouldn't be experimenting on a crop I was relying on to finish..

born2killspam said:

GA3 imbalances affect the ethylene pathways in the plants.. Depending on extent, and time of occurance this can have differing effects.. It might make the game a little risky, but there is no shortage of info on this one imparticular, so with proper research, and careful application its more than likely a regimen can be found that yields a good bonus with little to no risk..
And I think you just gotta say risks be damned, this is for research.. I wouldn't be experimenting on a crop I was relying on to finish..

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Im not saying dont do it just highlighting the risks

natmoon said:

Agreed but,sorry to always be seeming negative,gibberilins in all forms can cause hermiefication

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Earlier in thread we have spoken extensivly about GA3 and it pros and cons...... Too many good reports.
here is some of the info..

UNDER A LINK on MAIN PAGE: REF to GA3

Recipes FOR GA3 - folia spray with penotrator i would suggest or paste
( this is a studied recipe so I figure we should stick to it)

PPM 50 - GA mg 125 Water 2400ml Purpose = early flower
PPM 200 - GA mg 125 Water 600ml Purpose = early flower
PPM 800 - GA mg 125 Water 160ml Purpose = blossom set
PPM 2000 - GA mg 125 Water 60ml Purpose = Seed germ
1%paste - GA mg 125 Water 5ml Purpose = growth promoter

Too much youll turn your girl into boys or hermi`s

Careful shit is nasty
Although GA is not listed as a "poison", the following precautions should be observed: Flush with water any GA that may get into the eye. Avoid skin contact if possible. If skin contact is suspected, wash with soap and water. Do not re-enter an area after spraying until the GA spray is fully dry. Avoid ingestion of GA.
RESULT:
Premature flowering. If a plant is sufficiently developed, premature flowering may be induced by direct application of GA to young plants. This action is not sustained and treatment may have to be repeated. Formation of male flowers is generally promoted by concentrations of 10 to 200 ppm., female flowers by concentrations of 200 to 300 ppm. Concentrations of more than 600 ppm markedly suppresses initiation of both male and female flowers.

Increased growth. GA applied near the terminal bud of trees may increase the rate of growth by stimulating more or less constant growth during the season. In a Department of Agriculture experiment, the GA was applied as a 1% paste in a band around the terminal bud of trees. Treatment was repeated three times during the summer. Walnut tee growth was 8.5 ft. for treated trees, 1.5 ft. for untreated trees

http://www.crfg.org/tidbits/gibberellic.html

another : Fruit trees.....
A spray of GA3 (gibberellic acid) at a concentration of 15–30 ppm at full bloom significantly increased yields (by 50–400%). In young trees (4–5 years old), a narrow (2–3 mm) girdling at the time of sprouting, together with GA3, gave best results.

MAKE YOUR OWN GAA:
Gibberellin is extracted from cucumber seeds, fresh cantelope seeds, dried corn kernels, and from pencil rod, lupine, and pinto beans. Soak 200 grams of powdered seeds in 110 ml of a mixture of acetone (10 parts), isopropyl alcohol (5 p), ethanol (2 p), and water (5 p). Filter the mush and rinse it with 20 ml acetone and 20 ml isopropyl alcohol. Combine the rinse and the mother liquor, then evaporate the solvent. Dissolve the gum in alkaline water for experimental use

A retail product...
Falgo contains gibberellic acid (GA3). Gibberellins are compounds that are naturally produced within plants to stimulate growth. Fine has developed a unique fermentation method of naturally producing GA3 and markets the compound for use in ornamental plants as falgro. Falgro has a huge variety of useful applications including elongation of peduncles in Pompom Chrysanthemums, earlier flowering and increased yield in Statice and accelerated plant growth with increased number of flowering stems in Gypsophila. Offering flexibility of use, falgro is formulated as easy to use liquid, powder and tablet formulations.
http://www.fine-agrochemicals.com/Co...rodH.asp?id=21

MAKE YOUR OWN GAA:
Gibberellin is extracted from cucumber seeds, fresh cantelope seeds, dried corn kernels, and from pencil rod, lupine, and pinto beans. Soak 200 grams of powdered seeds in 110 ml of a mixture of acetone (10 parts), isopropyl alcohol (5 p), ethanol (2 p), and water (5 p). Filter the mush and rinse it with 20 ml acetone and 20 ml isopropyl alcohol. Combine the rinse and the mother liquor, then evaporate the solvent. Dissolve the gum in alkaline water for experimental use

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Where did you find this? That solvent mix is messed up.. I'm not saying it won't work, I'm just saying it's not necessary to mix up every polar solvent in the average lab.. Pick one (not water) and go..

haha i said that earlier lol...

I'd go with 99% isopropyl since its gonna be the comprimise between being easy to get in a trustworthy grade, and quick evaporating..
That mix is like the aqua regia of polar solvents..

Jester88 said:

to eza

yeah i meant more trichromes and resin production

and to shepj

ive smoked fluro weed before. dont know how they did it but sure as shit itfas fluro yellow green blue and pink you could pick.. it tasted like absolute crap.

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but did it look cool? lol i'm kidding guys, I don't mind seeing purple and fluoro weed would look cool, but the whole weed color shit doesn't give me a boner. I like good weed, even if it looks shitty.

born2killspam said:

Where did you find this? That solvent mix is messed up.. I'm not saying it won't work, I'm just saying it's not necessary to mix up every polar solvent in the average lab.. Pick one (not water) and go..

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ALL ABOUT HEMP... US GOV HEMP cultivation handbook from like the 30`s lol.

shepj said:

but did it look cool? lol i'm kidding guys, I don't mind seeing purple and fluoro weed would look cool, but the whole weed color shit doesn't give me a boner. I like good weed, even if it looks shitty.

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not really it was just abnormally coloured weed that smoked up like shit lol

I had weed like that once.. Had a nug on a work table, was planning to roll a joint.. Got side-tracked and started spray painting some signs.. End result, fluorescent orange weed..

born2killspam said:

I had weed like that once.. Had a nug on a work table, was planning to roll a joint.. Got side-tracked and started spray painting some signs.. End result, fluorescent orange weed..

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My brother done that to me once..... We were sparying a car..... had bowl and bong in the room...... hour of paint and the residue on the bowl changed the colour of the chop and the bong had a new look!

born2killspam said:

I'd go with 99% isopropyl since its gonna be the comprimise between being easy to get in a trustworthy grade, and quick evaporating..
That mix is like the aqua regia of polar solvents..

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Have you experience in these extractions??

half the people who make hash oil will have experience in these extractions,..

and hes right eza you do only need one..... pure alcohol is the best but even metho will suffice more than likely...

I've done alot of plant extractions of various types, but not this.. In almost all cases your initial extraction is aimed at the broad side of a barn.. Depending on the goal after that you can use acid/base extractions to purify a bit if you know the rough chemistry of the crude extract.. If you really need purity after that you need to use chromatographic type techniques, or specialized filtering that accomplishes basically the same thing.. Obviously that devastates yield..
I'd rather not advise ppl to work with acetone in any format that would be suitably clean for this extraction.. Acetone is deceptively dangerous! I don't want to be responsible for a sparking accident.. The news story would probably go "Another meth lab exploded today...." If you go to the drug store you can probably get 500mL of 99% isopropanol for $3.. If GA3 is soluble in that then you're good to go.. Adding extras is only going to pull even more impurities, we won't be ANYWHERE near saturation.. Everclear would be another option.. Heck any liquor, but the extra water takes longer to evaporate..

Edit: And I gotta agree with Jester.. Your chemistry teacher taught you everything you need to know for this.. Usually HS chem is brutally oversimplified, but not in this case..

yeah thats the problem with metho too bit dirty and got water.... longer evaporative times ....

And the only safe enough form of acetone I can think of is scented nail polish remover..
On the other hand, plants aren't poisoned nearly as easily as humans.. Not all, but alot of my experimentation was aimed towards personal consumption..
I'd advise ppl to hunt down 'old' chemistry text books from the 60's.. They're on the net.. Some describe alot of techniques to do some useful stuff.. Beware though, the reason you need old books is because they smartened up and stopped teaching kids how to do stuff that could kill their whole family in seconds.. Some of those things TERRIFY me.. They make anything in those anarchist cookbooks seem like childs play..

I would not do it myself.... i would be one of those stories..... he left the lid off he was too lazy and gased himself.........

Its perfectly safe with alcohol.. Well, son't work with 99% alcohol in candle light, but aside from that its pretty harmless..