Hey New Growers, Let's try this again?

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hogbud

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So that is a fan on the floor in that pic! Awesome! Are you a fan of the K.I.S.S. method?
Not actually on the floor as that stand is 14 inches tall which puts the pots in a more favorable temp zone (root zone temps are important)

and I love KISS, everything I do is KISS
 

TryN

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Root zone temps ... This is new for me! Would you mind expanding on this please? I never really thought about the temperature of the soil at all.
 

hogbud

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Root zone temps ... This is new for me! Would you mind expanding on this please? I never really thought about the temperature of the soil at all.
why do you think the res temps are so important in hydro? root zone temps !!! There are actually a lot of things that most growers do not think of, it is important to know and understand all of em in order to get those bad ass yields that every one wants. The temp difference in my garden fro that 14 inch table and the floor is 3 degrees and guess what, plants on the floor grow slower
 

TryN

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why do you think the res temps are so important in hydro? root zone temps !!! There are actually a lot of things that most growers do not think of, it is important to know and understand all of em in order to get those bad ass yields that every one wants. The temp difference in my garden fro that 14 inch table and the floor is 3 degrees and guess what, plants on the floor grow slower
Now I am wondering what else I am missing! lol
 

TryN

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Folks often wonder how I get the yields I do with flouros LOL it is because light is just one of many elements/tools in our gardens and I understand and use all the others to peak perfection
Or as they say ... The proof is in the results! :leaf:
 

waterdawg

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Not sure if its the correct temp for optimum growth as I didnt do much comparison with soil but I kept soil at around 80F even if it meant using a heat mat in winter. Always heard nitrogen uptake peaked between 75/85, so went with that. Hydro is a bit different IMO as it is my understanding that temps between 68-72 are optimal for DO in the water. Not sure how a live res works though as mine is sterile (for the most part). Whats the best temp for soil IYO?
 

DonAlejandroVega

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1k watts of fluoro is very inefficient.............change up to high discharge light.
root zone temps........never measured them. keeping pots off floor in winter, is as crazy as I get about that.
 

Flylo247

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I have a question for you Hogbud.
I like this thread and you have helped me out with the botany book you recomended.

Aside from getting your plant the shape and size you want it before flipping, does the veg stage build up nutrients that are then released to facilitate flowering. And following that, does leafing or pulling off lower underperforming leaves have an adverse or beneficial effect.

Also, I like hearing more about these grow world controversies you keep mentioning.
 

hogbud

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Not sure if its the correct temp for optimum growth as I didnt do much comparison with soil but I kept soil at around 80F even if it meant using a heat mat in winter. Always heard nitrogen uptake peaked between 75/85, so went with that. Hydro is a bit different IMO as it is my understanding that temps between 68-72 are optimal for DO in the water. Not sure how a live res works though as mine is sterile (for the most part). Whats the best temp for soil IYO?
low to mid 70's is where I like it, I also use colder water when I water
 

hogbud

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1k watts of fluoro is very inefficient.............change up to high discharge light.
root zone temps........never measured them. keeping pots off floor in winter, is as crazy as I get about that.
I changed from HID to T5's would not go back if they were free !!! What part of MJ is more potent when grown under flouros did you not understand ?
 

hogbud

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I have a question for you Hogbud.
I like this thread and you have helped me out with the botany book you recomended.

Aside from getting your plant the shape and size you want it before flipping, does the veg stage build up nutrients that are then released to facilitate flowering. And following that, does leafing or pulling off lower underperforming leaves have an adverse or beneficial effect.

Also, I like hearing more about these grow world controversies you keep mentioning.
Yes it does, based on the available nutes, the plant will store nutes for the winter much like a squirrel does with nuts. And there is no such thing as an under performing leaf, they all serve a purpose, There are sun leaves, shade leaves, sinks & sources and they use leaves to catch rain. As they grow they use leaves as building blocks and yes there will be leaves that the plant drops when it is done with em. You can learn a lot by watching how it does this !!!

As for effects, it can be both depending, I never remove anything in flower, I do all my defoil, trim, whatever in veg and I always give the plant plenty of time (in veg) to recover

Not sure what controversies you are speaking of?
 

TryN

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So many people report x out of y seeds popped ... How do you germinate at your seeds? What are common "mistakes" you have seen people repeatedly make?
 

hogbud

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So many people report x out of y seeds popped ... How do you germinate at your seeds? What are common "mistakes" you have seen people repeatedly make?
The most common mistake is the paper towel method. I use a jiffy heated greenhouse, which has since been discontinued but others are makin em, I have a temp controller for the heat mat and for seeds I set it to 90 degrees, I simply place the seeds in the little indents in the peat pods (I DO NOT plant em) . In my garden a seed MUST survive in this manner to be included in my breeding projects, they will sprout, then burrough the tap root, then stand up, if they are not strong enough to do this they get culled !!!
 

TryN

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So you are basically testing the strength of the seed to survive if
I understood this correctly.
 

Flylo247

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Is seed survival necessarily a good predictor of things to come, for example in flowering? What if a plant just needed a little help at the start, but gives good results elsewhere in the life cycle?
 

hogbud

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Is seed survival necessarily a good predictor of things to come, for example in flowering? What if a plant just needed a little help at the start, but gives good results elsewhere in the life cycle?
Yes it is, healthy robust seeds make healthy robust plants. Is it wrong to nurture a seed,,,,,no, and in fact most runts are more potent IME, but the considerations for breeding override this IMO. Not one seed I have gifted has ever failed to germ and grow
 
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