Hey Liberals? Guns work!!

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
You carry and make yourself and those around you less safe. There is a lot of information that confirms this. That said, this issue is driven by a hysterical press and coincidentally, gun sales go up when gun control measures are discussed in the same press. I have no issue when a well trained and careful person carries but statistics say he is making himself and others less safe. Just not enough to worry about.
Your understanding of what that says is wrong. Of course guns kept in the home do most of the killing, are there other places gun owners should leave their guns? What are the statistics of guns left out on the sidewalk? What are the statistics about guns being kept in the US Bank vault 200 feet below the surface in Spokane, Wa?

What? You mean there aren't any? You mean to tell me that people live in homes and keep their personal stuff in them? You don't say?
Did you know that knives that are owned by people and stored in a home do way more damage to people than knives that aren't owned by people and are stored in some other location far away from where the person usually is?

Did you know that?

You are being fooled by statistics that have been construed to bring about poor judgment by people with weak minds that are unable to see through the fog.

I mean even the headline is fucked up, it gives the image that owning a gun in your home kills people, it doesn't. A gun has never killed a single person, people kill people and people buy guns and keep them in their home with the rest of their expensive stuff.
Most of your statistic is suicide, so throw that out, you can't stop someone from killing themselves.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
I consider the house as a large lockable container, don't you?
what a responsible gun owner you are.

"responsible" gun owners like you who don't lock up their guns are directly responsible for tragedies like the sandy hook massacre, or the 100+ child deaths every year that happen when kids find their parents' guns and decide they are cool toys.

you make the case better than the other side ever could.
 

budlover13

King Tut
If a person is sound of mind enough to own a semi-AK (which they can bump fire with an ordinary trouser belt, dangerous but doable) why not let them have a full auto one?

Are they more likely to kill someone if the fire selector goes an extra notch?
Bump firing with a belt and a stick (so ya don't break your finger) is not inherently dangerous. Wasteful, imo, yes. But not dangerous.
 

budlover13

King Tut
what a responsible gun owner you are.

"responsible" gun owners like you who don't lock up their guns are directly responsible for tragedies like the sandy hook massacre, or the 100+ child deaths every year that happen when kids find their parents' guns and decide they are cool toys.

you make the case better than the other side ever could.
Rubbish. Imo, of course.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Rubbish. Imo, of course.
how else would adam lanza have acquired a gun if not through his mother's unlocked arsenal?

he refused to take a background check and was too socially awkward to go buy one anywhere else.

not to mention the hundreds of documented deaths that occur every year when parents leave their firearms unlocked and accessible toi children.

your opinion is wrong. my facts are factual. deal with it.
 

whitebb2727

Well-Known Member
I consider the house as a large lockable container, don't you? I leave all my expensive stuff in it.
No I don't. I don't have guns just laying around hoping the door knob stops someone and if someone does and their firearm ends up in the wrongs hands and used in a crime they need to be punished.

No, not a $100 gun safe that can easily be pried open either. If you have to use one it needs to be bolted down and locked in a closet or something of the sort.

I would hope that anyone with guns would buy a decent safe to put them in. If its big enough and fire proof you can put other valuables.

I'm sure you weren't serious though. When it comes to guns there is no room for lackadaisical attitude.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
how else would adam lanza have acquired a gun if not through his mother's unlocked arsenal?

he refused to take a background check and was too socially awkward to go buy one anywhere else.

not to mention the hundreds of documented deaths that occur every year when parents leave their firearms unlocked and accessible toi children.

your opinion is wrong. my facts are factual. deal with it.
Your facts are all suicides Andy.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Your facts are all suicides Andy.
i fail to see how anything i just listed was a suicide. so i will reiterate verbatim and see if you have a shred of intelligence:

how else would adam lanza have acquired a gun if not through his mother's unlocked arsenal?

he refused to take a background check and was too socially awkward to go buy one anywhere else.

not to mention the hundreds of documented deaths that occur every year when parents leave their firearms unlocked and accessible toi children.

your opinion is wrong. my facts are factual. deal with it.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
No I don't. I don't have guns just laying around hoping the door knob stops someone and if someone does and their firearm ends up in the wrongs hands and used in a crime they need to be punished.

No, not a $100 gun safe that can easily be pried open either. If you have to use one it needs to be bolted down and locked in a closet or something of the sort.

I would hope that anyone with guns would buy a decent safe to put them in. If its big enough and fire proof you can put other valuables.

I'm sure you weren't serious though. When it comes to guns there is no room for lackadaisical attitude.
How much good will those locked guns do you when those kids come crashing through the door with baseball bats for your head?
OMG, what if they took your butcher knife and killed someone with it? It would be all your fault. You better lock those knives up.

Give me your address please, you would be an easy target, you don't lock your doors to your home and if you have any weapons that would enable you to survive an attack they are locked up with you unable to get to them without having some foresight or warning.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
How much good will those locked guns do you when those kids come crashing through the door with baseball bats for your head?
how often does this type of thing happen to you?

i know your dumpy, white trash, ex-wife threw a TV at you. but how often are you attacked by a mob of youngsters?

i have your personal info too btw.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
how sad are you that i pointed out what a racist, segregationist, idiotic moron you are?

does it make you feel stupid every time you claim you aren't racist, and i just drag out old quotes of you arguing against civil rights?
Oh so when I correct you about your erroneous claims concerning civil rights = I am racist because I am arguing against civil rights.

Why do 300 year old babies eat peaches?
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
t your erroneous claims concerning civil rights = I am racist
my claims are not erroneous though. you have said people should not expect to be served because bigots will sp[it in their cakes.

people who think it should be OK to not serve people based on their race are racists.

that makes you a racist.

you are also a plagiarist.

what else do you want me to bring up about you?
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Your understanding of what that says is wrong. Of course guns kept in the home do most of the killing, are there other places gun owners should leave their guns? What are the statistics of guns left out on the sidewalk? What are the statistics about guns being kept in the US Bank vault 200 feet below the surface in Spokane, Wa?

What? You mean there aren't any? You mean to tell me that people live in homes and keep their personal stuff in them? You don't say?
Did you know that knives that are owned by people and stored in a home do way more damage to people than knives that aren't owned by people and are stored in some other location far away from where the person usually is?

Did you know that?

You are being fooled by statistics that have been construed to bring about poor judgment by people with weak minds that are unable to see through the fog.

I mean even the headline is fucked up, it gives the image that owning a gun in your home kills people, it doesn't. A gun has never killed a single person, people kill people and people buy guns and keep them in their home with the rest of their expensive stuff.
Most of your statistic is suicide, so throw that out, you can't stop someone from killing themselves.
Wow, I simply pointed out that the preponderance of information gathered to date shows that most people are much more likely to injure themselves or the people around them with their firearm than they are to defend or protect themselves. You seem to be very upset that anybody has the gall to cite a report from a well done study that conflicts with NRA and gun lobby propaganda. Rather than shout me down, how about using some reasoning skills and try to convince.

That said, I am very much for you owning your guns. They make it much more likely that one day you may turn it on yourself.

So, here is another report that says you are wrong. In this case, they noted that gun owners were MORE LIKELY to be shot or killed in an assault:
Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault
Charles C. Branas, PhD, Therese S. Richmond, PhD, CRNP, Dennis P. Culhane, PhD, Thomas R. Ten Have, PhD, MPH, and Douglas J. Wiebe, PhD
American Journal of Public Health > November 2009 > Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault Advanced Search


Read More: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2008.143099?journalCode=ajph

Objectives. We investigated the possible relationship between being shot in an assault and possession of a gun at the time.

Methods. We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within Philadelphia, PA, from 2003 to 2006. We adjusted odds ratios for confounding variables.

Results. After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P < .05) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. Among gun assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist, this adjusted odds ratio increased to 5.45 (P < .05).

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.




Read More: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2008.143099?journalCode=ajph
 

whitebb2727

Well-Known Member
How much good will those locked guns do you when those kids come crashing through the door with baseball bats for your head?
OMG, what if they took your butcher knife and killed someone with it? It would be all your fault. You better lock those knives up.

Give me your address please, you would be an easy target, you don't lock your doors to your home and if you have any weapons that would enable you to survive an attack they are locked up with you unable to get to them without having some foresight or warning.
I keep one on me. Fact is leaving guns laying around is a bad idea. Plum silly. Lock your guns up before an accident happens.

I don't care what you say or think. Every gun safety course I've taken suggested it.

Pull your head out of your ass and get a gun safe. They make them with biometric locks. You can be in it in a matter of seconds.

Do you really not care if someone steals your guns and uses them in a crime?

I don't care if your kids are trained. Kids make stupid decisions everyday.
 
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