Hermie theory

Keighan

Keighan

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OK so In theory wouldn't hermaphrodite genetics In a cannabis plant be an evolutionary step forward? Given the fact its believed every living organism on this planet in its natural atmosphere pushes against every other living organism in its ecosystem to strive solely for its own personal survival. So whether we as growers strive for hermaphrodite gened plants or not naturally in mother nature it would be the more evolutionary advanced plant?
 
I dont know too much about plant biology but it probably has something to do with genetic diversity. An organism reproducing itself over and over without new genetic info from other plants of the species wouldnt be good for things like adaption.
 
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Keighan said:
OK so In theory wouldn't hermaphrodite genetics In a cannabis plant be an evolutionary step forward? Given the fact its believed every living organism on this planet in its natural atmosphere pushes against every other living organism in its ecosystem to strive solely for its own personal survival. So whether we as growers strive for hermaphrodite gened plants or not naturally in mother nature it would be the more evolutionary advanced plant?
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Uhhhh, ya. I guess. But i think cannabis has always been able to herm so its like not really a step and more like a realization.
 
Keighan said:
OK so In theory wouldn't hermaphrodite genetics In a cannabis plant be an evolutionary step forward? Given the fact its believed every living organism on this planet in its natural atmosphere pushes against every other living organism in its ecosystem to strive solely for its own personal survival. So whether we as growers strive for hermaphrodite gened plants or not naturally in mother nature it would be the more evolutionary advanced plant?
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I have several rounds of self seeded female plants...due to stress conditions,each off spring brings several seeds at harvest time.
Buds are powerful but folks don't seem to like seeds in the weed.
 
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BustinScales510 said:
I dont know too much about plant biology but it probably has something to do with genetic diversity. An organism reproducing itself over and over without new genetic info from other plants of the species wouldnt be good for things like adaption.
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I deffinatly understand that I guess I kind of worded that post wrong I don't mean so much the hermie trate but the actual ability of the plant to force itself to hermie under the IDEA they may not survive.
Cannabinuck said:
nope. hermaphrodites came first, then male and female.
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Any papers I could read on where you got that theory I would love to read it.
 
Keighan said:
Any papers I could read on where you got that theory I would love to read it.
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it's basic biology. males and females are the result of hermaphrodites that evolved to specialize in either fertilizing or being fertilized rather than both.
 
The important thing to distinguish here is the difference between natural selection and artificial selection. In nature, the cannabis plants likely don't care about potency unless it provides them with better fitness to survive and reproduce. So being a Hermie is great in a natural selection sense if there are no males around to pollinate the females, however if there were only hermies then the lack of genetic diversity would likely kill the species eventually. For our purposes, we want to breed for specific traits that may or may not have anything to do with gaining a fitness advantage for the species. This is artificial selection, so we can produce plants with more of the stuff we want (IE higher THC, CBD, terpines, yield, etc). So yes, the plants ability to Hermie if it needs to in order to further the species can an evolutionary advantage but for most people that are growing cannabis, it is better to be bred out or at least avoided when breeding
 
Or maybe it is just like birth defects. Plenty of people are born with both sex organs or partial of both sex organs. Same with other animals.

Sometimes things go wrong...

I wouldnt call it evolution or survival protocol... shit happens...

Every species of plant and animal is subject to mutation and whether or not those mutations help to ensure survival or prove to threaten it is just random.

Evolution is another matter entirely....
 
Gquebed said:
Or maybe it is just like birth defects. Plenty of people are born with both sex organs or partial of both sex organs. Same with other animals.

Sometimes things go wrong...

I wouldnt call it evolution or survival protocol... shit happens...

Every species of plant and animal is subject to mutation and whether or not those mutations help to ensure survival or prove to threaten it is just random.

Evolution is another matter entirely....
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Plants can't just get up and move to avoid extinction in their own little cluster environment. I only assume that if a certain amount of livable conditions are somewhat met, the plant will hold out for pollination as the best chance of survival.

On the other hand with the amount of forced cross breading by us I've read of some unstable strains as a result, on top of natural strains that don't seem to adapt too well to artificial environments regardless of grower experience.

I dare say that a untouched mj plant in it's natural environment would be fine aside form some freak natural disaster or unusual extreme weather patterns.
 
Flowki said:
Plants can't just get up and move to avoid extinction in their own little cluster environment. I only assume that if a certain amount of livable conditions are somewhat met, the plant will hold out for pollination as the best chance of survival.

On the other hand with the amount of forced cross breading by us I've read of some unstable strains as a result, on top of natural strains that don't seem to adapt too well to artificial environments regardless of grower experience.

I dare say that a untouched mj plant in it's natural environment would be fine aside form some freak natural disaster or unusual extreme weather patterns.
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The crossbreeding.... i agree

So much of it is going on now by those who are completely ignorant of proper breedig practices and the instability created by it is being spread quickly.

The other part of that is the homegenization... whats happening is truly sad.....
 
Gquebed said:
The crossbreeding.... i agree

So much of it is going on now by those who are completely ignorant of proper breedig practices and the instability created by it is being spread quickly.

The other part of that is the homegenization... whats happening is truly sad.....
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True that, good thing there will always be a few breeders that try to do it right.
Since there is alot of homogenization going on, isn't the solution to do more cross breeding to add to the genetic diversity?
 
fandango said:
I have several rounds of self seeded female plants...due to stress conditions,each off spring brings several seeds at harvest time.
Buds are powerful but folks don't seem to like seeds in the weed.
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Buy some feminiser then mate
You apply it in a spray on the first day you switch to 12/12 then again 10 days later and you will get no male flowers :)
 
Halfanimal said:
True that, good thing there will always be a few breeders that try to do it right.
Since there is alot of homogenization going on, isn't the solution to do more cross breeding to add to the genetic diversity?
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No not at all. That is just mixing existing strains. If you introduce a new landrace into the mix that would introduce new traits...

Like mixing fountain soda.... coke + sprite = cokite and it is tasty lets say... ..and say root beer + cream soda = beer soda and it too is tasty. But then somebody comes along and mixes beer soda + cokite and you get something that is just a shit mix that tastes awful. That is homogenization. You lose all the specific traits that made each of those strains unique and make an indistinguishable mix of them...

Then that shit mix gets mixed with another shit mix and you get a breeder who thinks he has do e something special but really its just a bigger shit mix.

And so on until eventually what you end up with is all the same muck...
 
It was an evolutionary advantage for marijuana to have this response and as a matter of fact it is so much of an advantage I am unaware of any strain that can't be made to hermie out. So by simple deduction over the course of it's evolution only plants that can hermie have survived.
 
fandango said:
I have no male flowers?go figure
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Hmmm strange eh?
Well there must be pollen sacks to self pollinate, so I can only assume that they are very very small and difficult to see amongst the female buds.
Perhaps take a craft knife and dissect the seeded buds to examine where the pollen sacks are located.
I have used feminiser in the past with 100% success which is why I made the suggestion

I think you should give it a try if your product isn't selling as well as you'd like. Gotta be worth a try mate on one plant at least. :)
 
The Nine said:
Hmmm strange eh?
Well there must be pollen sacks to self pollinate, so I can only assume that they are very very small and difficult to see amongst the female buds.
Perhaps take a craft knife and dissect the seeded buds to examine where the pollen sacks are located.
I have used feminiser in the past with 100% success which is why I made the suggestion

I think you should give it a try if your product isn't selling as well as you'd like. Gotta be worth a try mate on one plant at least. :)
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Could very well be my poor eye sight...I will use a 40x lupe and check this next batch out very close to see what is going on?
I reuse the seeds all the time all come out female.So are you telling me if I spray my plants the seeds will go away?That is before they form.
 
fandango said:
Could very well be my poor eye sight...I will use a 40x lupe and check this next batch out very close to see what is going on?
I reuse the seeds all the time all come out female.So are you telling me if I spray my plants the seeds will go away?That is before they form.
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Yes mate
It is a hormonal treatment that stops all pollen sack from forming on feminised seeded plants
More bud and no seed it's a no brainer :)
 
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