Hermie Question

ProdigalSun

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I had this Blue Hash plant flowering for 4 weeks, it hermied. I had pollinated a specific branch from a male in order to make some seeds. Those seeds have been growing well, but now that I have discovered the mother is a Herm, what about the seeds? Should I throw them away, or will they not carry the herm gene over?
 

bluntmassa1

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you may also be stressing your girls so it may not even be a real hermie maybe check out your room and see if anything could be causing stress and try out another cut. There is really a lot of causes even not cutting off some of them lower popcorns could cause it cause they get very low light and it stresses them. I also wouldn't bother with the seed I'd rather buy from a breeder that did a good job other then a screw up I had that will have a better chance of being another problem. I also don't really mind paying for seed how else do you gain experience? Sure I could breed an IBL but unless I try everything I will never know which is my favorite line to work with just no fems for me I find the one I'm gonna want to breed with it
 

Jogro

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I had this Blue Hash plant flowering for 4 weeks, it hermied. I had pollinated a specific branch from a male in order to make some seeds. Those seeds have been growing well, but now that I have discovered the mother is a Herm, what about the seeds? Should I throw them away, or will they not carry the herm gene over?
If the mother is hermie-prone it will pass those genetics onto offspring. But since the father's genetics also have a "say" here, the offspring may NOT be as hermie-prone as the mother. I don't think this is as simple as just one "hermie" gene, and its going to depend on the genes in question and their interaction. You may see no hermies in the offspring, some yes and some no, or all hermies. It depends, and I think the only way to really know for sure is to grow them out.

Also, not all "hermies" are created equal. Plants that put out full clusters of male pollen sacs along with female flowers are highly undesirable, and IMO those genetics need to be immediately culled. If the mother plant here is putting out male flowers so badly that your first instinct is to kill it, then do so and don't look back.

On the other hand, plants that put out a few "nanas". . .eh. . .lots of lines will do that. So now its a question of how many, when, why and what your personal tolerance is. Personally, I don't care if plants put out a few "nanas", especially late in flowering. I can deal with that. But your needs may be different if you're running a big room or commercial operation. 4 weeks is pretty early to see "nanas". Is there some specific reason why you think this may be happening? (Nute, light, or heat stress?).

As to whether or not you should keep these, as a first rule, you should only be breeding with the absolute best material possible. If you were a true commercial breeder, then you "should" be killing every hermie plant ruthlessly and instantly. Many don't do it, but in general, one should avoid breeding with hermie-prone plants.

So again, assuming the hermies you see are enough to have you concerned (ie not just a rare "nana") and you have access to better genetics, the smartest thing to do is get rid of the questionable beans and move on. Most growers have limited ability to grow anything, and its usually not worth playing around with genetics you have a good reason to believe aren't up to par.

If you really DON'T have access to anything else, or if you really love these genetics so much that you don't mind taking a chance and basically have more growing space than you need, then it might make sense to keep the beans in question and test them out. But these things probably aren't the case.
 

ProdigalSun

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I don;'t know about ordering seeds. I just got a Tutankhuman from Paradice, and it along with the freebie seed were very small, had just turned light brown, and lacked any spots or streaks. I doubt that either are old enough to grow.

Don't order from there.
 

ProdigalSun

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you may also be stressing your girls so it may not even be a real hermie maybe check out your room and see if anything could be causing stress and try out another cut. There is really a lot of causes even not cutting off some of them lower popcorns could cause it cause they get very low light and it stresses them. I also wouldn't bother with the seed I'd rather buy from a breeder that did a good job other then a screw up I had that will have a better chance of being another problem. I also don't really mind paying for seed how else do you gain experience? Sure I could breed an IBL but unless I try everything I will never know which is my favorite line to work with just no fems for me I find the one I'm gonna want to breed with it

It's been a little cool, lower 70's all day all night. Humidity has been quite low, struggling to keep it above 35%. No light leaks, I just just checked a few minutes ago.


If the mother is hermie-prone it will pass those genetics onto offspring. But since the father's genetics also have a "say" here, the offspring may NOT be as hermie-prone as the mother. I don't think this is as simple as just one "hermie" gene, and its going to depend on the genes in question and their interaction. You may see no hermies in the offspring, some yes and some no, or all hermies. It depends, and I think the only way to really know for sure is to grow them out.

Also, not all "hermies" are created equal. Plants that put out full clusters of male pollen sacs along with female flowers are highly undesirable, and IMO those genetics need to be immediately culled. If the mother plant here is putting out male flowers so badly that your first instinct is to kill it, then do so and don't look back.

On the other hand, plants that put out a few "nanas". . .eh. . .lots of lines will do that. So now its a question of how many, when, why and what your personal tolerance is. Personally, I don't care if plants put out a few "nanas", especially late in flowering. I can deal with that. But your needs may be different if you're running a big room or commercial operation. 4 weeks is pretty early to see "nanas". Is there some specific reason why you think this may be happening? (Nute, light, or heat stress?).

As to whether or not you should keep these, as a first rule, you should only be breeding with the absolute best material possible. If you were a true commercial breeder, then you "should" be killing every hermie plant ruthlessly and instantly. Many don't do it, but in general, one should avoid breeding with hermie-prone plants.

So again, assuming the hermies you see are enough to have you concerned (ie not just a rare "nana") and you have access to better genetics, the smartest thing to do is get rid of the questionable beans and move on. Most growers have limited ability to grow anything, and its usually not worth playing around with genetics you have a good reason to believe aren't up to par.

If you really DON'T have access to anything else, or if you really love these genetics so much that you don't mind taking a chance and basically have more growing space than you need, then it might make sense to keep the beans in question and test them out. But these things probably aren't the case.
I killed the whole garden. :(... saving one sprout and a bagseed vegging plant that just started showing preflowers. The Blue Hash strain had full on, beautiful male flowers, not just a nanner unfortunately. The other plants I had were the children I had crossed trying to get rid of my last hermie strain.

It broke my heart to do it, all that time, money, work, the freaking electric bill :p, all gone. Nothing left but some really valuable experience. And I'm out of pot! Because of the previous hermies, I haven't in a year of growing, been able to get enough to smoke. Forget trying to cure anything...Bottom line, I wanted those genetics gone.
 

ProdigalSun

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Well, I made the best of it, I took some cuttings from what is now a mother, and we'll hope they root. It seems to take 2 weeks to root my clones, then I'll veg them for 6 to 8 weeks. Flowering for 8 or 9, and 6 weeks to cure. I should be able to smoke again around........May 5th. At least I'll be clean. :/
 

Jogro

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I don;'t know about ordering seeds. I just got a Tutankhuman from Paradice, and it along with the freebie seed were very small, had just turned light brown, and lacked any spots or streaks. I doubt that either are old enough to grow.
Don't assume that these won't be viable; you don't really know until you try.

Some plants normally put out small se-eds (especially sativa dom ones) and some se-eds are normally uniform in color.

I killed the whole garden. :(... saving one sprout and a bagseed vegging plant that just started showing preflowers. The Blue Hash strain had full on, beautiful male flowers, not just a nanner unfortunately. The other plants I had were the children I had crossed trying to get rid of my last hermie strain.

It broke my heart to do it, all that time, money, work, the freaking electric bill :p, all gone. Nothing left but some really valuable experience. And I'm out of pot! Because of the previous hermies, I haven't in a year of growing, been able to get enough to smoke. Forget trying to cure anything...Bottom line, I wanted those genetics gone.
Eh. . .if you've only got ONE plant, I wouldn't kill it, even if it is a hermie. Believe me, there are much worse things than seeded buds. Commercial value is less, but you can always still pick out the se-eds and contrary to popular misconception, seeded buds can be every bit as potent as non-seeded. In fact, some people believe seeded buds have better cannabinoid profiles, and a brighter "high". Also, in some cases you can just pick off the male flowers and you'll get negligible seeding.

If you want to see a good example, check out the Chemical Wonder grow report in my sig. That one started to put out full male flowers around week three or so, and then just stopped, never to regrow them. I picked off most of them (not even all) and the plant ended up having a high yield of nice potent meds with literally only 2-3 ceeds.
 
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