Hermaphrodite feminized seed breeders and or their most hermy fem strains

hugaddiction

hugaddiction

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I have been through a few dozen different fem seeds in the last year and have found some really great genetics, but have also found a fare amount of hermies. These hermies are not so do to grow room conditions, as mothers that the seeds produced were shared with several (3) other growers whom also had the same hermy problems with specific cuts.

What I would like to do in this post is discuss breeders and specific feminized seeds that tend to have a high percentage of hermaphrodites in their population as to inform fellow growers on risks with growing particular strains or using gear from breeders that consistently produce hermy fem seeds.

I understand that feminized seeds, by their nature can lean toward being hermaphroditic do to the process in producing them, but I have found it clear that some breeders are better at making fem seeds with out hermy problems than others.

Bellow is a list of breeders and strains that I have worked with in the last year, as well as my/my fellow growers, perceived propensity for the strain to herm out.

THE LIST
DNA Seeds
Chocalope, none
Reserva Privada
Skywalker Kush, medium (This is a staple in my garden and its probably my favorite plant to grow, but 1 in every 3 runs or so I get a small amount of selfed seeds)
Purple Wreck, low (this strain is far from locked down, I got an incredibly wide range of phenos from a single pack, which was a lot of fun, but of the 5 seeds I had 1 very pronounced herm, which sadly was the best plant from the pack regardless of this flaw, of which forced me to trash the clones I had taken of it before flowering it.)
Dinafem
Critical Plus, none (great producer for a 6.5 week flowering time and a wonderful smell. this is my promary go to grow)
Dr. Greenthumb
Endless Sky, high (from a pack of 10 fem seedsin 2 different gardens/growers, 6/10 produced male pollen and selfed or seeded plants near them. this catastrophe is what lead me to write this post. Its DRGT flagship strain, and produces a great end product, but no one should be buying these seeds feminized, just get the regs if you are interested in this strain)
HSO
Blue Dream, none
Sagarmatha
Trainwreck, none

This is a small list, but I hope with the help of the RIU community we can share our experiences with one another to better inform ourselves when buying new genetics. Nothing is worse than putting in hard work,time and love into a plant that is going to fuck up your smoke post harvest because of some bad genetics. Please post your own lists, or even just breeders you have experience with that have a high percentage of hermy fem seeds that they sell. For example, I have heard shit talk about Calli connect, but have not grown anything of theirs, and would like to see what others have to say about them before I do. Thanks RIU, looking forward to hearing from you!
 
Malevolence

Malevolence

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This is just one bean... but I have a freebie fem Blueberry Headband from Emerald Triangle that straight up showed nothing but male at 12/12 flip.

1/8 Bodhi Dream Lotus hermied at 12/12 flip.

I grew out a G13 Labs Sour AK that had 2 or 3 beans in it. It was my first grow and I couldn't figure out how that even happened.
 
MrEDuck

MrEDuck

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Feminized seeds are only more likely to herm if they are made by stressing one plant until it herms. If colloidal silver or silver thiosulfate is used this isn't a problem any more than it would be with regular seeds which can also herm because the genes for it are survival genes the plants have as a backup.
 
Upstate2626

Upstate2626

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Cannaventure Double Sour Kush-. Wont buy anything from them any time soon. I also had a couple herms from dream lotus like the above poster.
 
brotherjericho

brotherjericho

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MrEDuck said:
Feminized seeds are only more likely to herm if they are made by stressing one plant until it herms. If colloidal silver or silver thiosulfate is used this isn't a problem any more than it would be with regular seeds which can also herm because the genes for it are survival genes the plants have as a backup.
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The only problem I have with this is the idea that stressing a plant can immediately change its genetic code. IOW, to pass on a hermie trait, it would have to be there already.
 
BluJayz

BluJayz

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brotherjericho said:
The only problem I have with this is the idea that stressing a plant can immediately change its genetic code. IOW, to pass on a hermie trait, it would have to be there already.
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In many hermaphroditic species, the close physical proximity of anthers and stigma makes interference unavoidable, either within a flower or between flowers on an inflorescence. Within-flower interference, which occurs when either the pistil interrupts pollen removal or the anthers prevent pollen deposition, can result in autonomous or facilitated self-pollination (Lloyd & Webb, 1986; Lloyd & Schoen, 1992).

'''Sequential hermaphroditism''' (called '''dichogamy''' in botany) is a type of hermaphroditism that occurs in many fish, gastropods and plants. Sequential hermaphroditism occurs when the individual is born one sex and changes sex at some point in their life. They can change from a male to female ''protandry''', or from female to male ''protogyny''. Those that change gonadal sex can have both female and male germ cells in the gonads or can change from one complete gonadal type to the other during their last life stage. cichlid ''Crenicara punctulata'' is a protogynous sequential hermaphrodite. (Copeia year 2000 L. L Carruth)

Any plant that falls within the "hermaphroditic species" list can pollinate itself.

Cannabis will at the end of its life become "stressed" and produce a few male sites to pollinate itself; ensuring its species live on.

Seeds come one of three ways.

1) Professionally grown by cross pollinating cannabis plants.
2) Plants going hermaphroditic at the end of their life pollinating itself producing a strain with hermaphroditic tendencies.
3) Under-produced male is hidden in a crop and never noticed.

Neither of option 2 or 3 is a lucrative seed. Neither of them are created with healthy plants.

It sucks when someone sells a feminized seed and it comes out male. I've even seen clones turn under stress, there is no fail safe. Find a few good ones and stick with em.
 
haulinbass

haulinbass

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Ive had issues with greenhouse kalasnikova, royal queen special queen one plant of dinafem industrial hermed and another was a grinspoon looking freak
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Whether seeds are feminized or not has little impact on whether they are going herm out. It's all in the plants genetics. Some lines (fem/reg) will have a tendency to go this way. Some breeders will toss up products that are total garbage (ie: seeds from a herm prone line just because they wanted to score some easy quick cash), but I think that really is a separate issue.

A few other things worth noting: Sometimes plants that herm the first run are solid the second run. Often hermaphroditic plants are the growers fault and it's worth rechecking your room if it happens. Go in with the lights off, wait a while (like a few minutes) for your eyes to adjust and have a look around. Are your temperatures out of wack? Has the plant been through hell and back? Is it root bound (a lot of plants will do weird things when root bound)?

I think you should have run those clones again bro, but the thread isn't a bad idea. Some lines are herm prone. I don't think it should be limited to feminized products only though.

I'd just take any one persons take on a strain with a grain of salt because of what I stated above.
 
hugaddiction

hugaddiction

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Malevolence said:
How was that... have you smoked the clone only cut and was there a lot of different phenos?
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Now that you mention it, I think mine did herm out toward the end, but it didnt end up seeding, as I took it down before any of the pollen took hold. so, I didnt get any seeds, but I think it is a weak fem strain, hence why they prob gave it away as a freeby from attitude a while back. harder to get mad a freeby for selfing than something you paid for.
 
bluntmassa1

bluntmassa1

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Fem seeds are garbage plain and simple they also seem to have less vigour I've grown out a bit of fem freebies and they just all seem to be lacking in vigour over the regulars. not that they weren't good smoke.
 
ProfessorPotSnob

ProfessorPotSnob

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Not my cup of tea , never liked feminized beans and never will even though I made them before out of curiosity using colloidal silver as well as using the roderlization method a few times , and with the mothers I used there was no problems ever .
 
brotherjericho

brotherjericho

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bluntmassa1 said:
Fem seeds are garbage plain and simple they also seem to have less vigour I've grown out a bit of fem freebies and they just all seem to be lacking in vigour over the regulars. not that they weren't good smoke.
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Freebies, eh? Perhaps there was a reason they were free...
 
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Mishap2345

Member
I'm so glad someone else has had this problem. We took down a perfectly bloomed Purple Haze and she gave us 1 seed near the top of the main stem. We thought we were crazy. I'm pretty compulsive when it comes to not stressing the plants and there are no light leaks at all. We took that bud apart & found what looked like a male right smack dab in the middle of a flower/bud. We planted that seed and it never did it again and we had 3 additional grows out of her cuttings. Most of my herm problems have come from free seeds or plants, but we'll see what happens this time around cause I sprouted all 10 freebie/feminized seeds so I don't have to keep hanging on to them.
 
gudkarma

gudkarma

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i love fem beans.
& respect the OPs position.

however, no problems for me in the vigor department.

there's three methods of which i know : chems (collidal, sts) , self rodalization, & a root prune method at a certain point in flower.

i grew out some plushberry beans (regs) ...got more dicks than a gay night club party.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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bluntmassa1 said:
Fem seeds are garbage plain and simple they also seem to have less vigour I've grown out a bit of fem freebies and they just all seem to be lacking in vigour over the regulars. not that they weren't good smoke.
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They would have less vigor if they were an S1. Otherwise a feminized cross is not much different from a regular F1 cross. Many female seeds have lots of vigor. The best I've ever had is Sugar Punch, high yielding, very awesome smoke. Better than NLxHaze (granted only 3 plants, not totally dialed, but it wasn't even in the same stratosphere at this point as Sugar Punch) and Black Widow (which had some great plants and is closer to the same stratosphere, but still, not as good).
 
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kindnug

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No one really knows what traits are present in a specific bean (feminized or regular) until it's fully completed it's life cycle.

You(or the breeder) will have a good idea of what is in the genes but they almost never produce the same.
 
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OGMan

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hugaddiction said:
I have been through a few dozen different fem seeds in the last year and have found some really great genetics, but have also found a fare amount of hermies. These hermies are not so do to grow room conditions, as mothers that the seeds produced were shared with several (3) other growers whom also had the same hermy problems with specific cuts.

What I would like to do in this post is discuss breeders and specific feminized seeds that tend to have a high percentage of hermaphrodites in their population as to inform fellow growers on risks with growing particular strains or using gear from breeders that consistently produce hermy fem seeds.

I understand that feminized seeds, by their nature can lean toward being hermaphroditic do to the process in producing them, but I have found it clear that some breeders are better at making fem seeds with out hermy problems than others.

Bellow is a list of breeders and strains that I have worked with in the last year, as well as my/my fellow growers, perceived propensity for the strain to herm out.

THE LIST
DNA Seeds
Chocalope, none
Reserva Privada
Skywalker Kush, medium (This is a staple in my garden and its probably my favorite plant to grow, but 1 in every 3 runs or so I get a small amount of selfed seeds)
Purple Wreck, low (this strain is far from locked down, I got an incredibly wide range of phenos from a single pack, which was a lot of fun, but of the 5 seeds I had 1 very pronounced herm, which sadly was the best plant from the pack regardless of this flaw, of which forced me to trash the clones I had taken of it before flowering it.)
Dinafem
Critical Plus, none (great producer for a 6.5 week flowering time and a wonderful smell. this is my promary go to grow)
Dr. Greenthumb
Endless Sky, high (from a pack of 10 fem seedsin 2 different gardens/growers, 6/10 produced male pollen and selfed or seeded plants near them. this catastrophe is what lead me to write this post. Its DRGT flagship strain, and produces a great end product, but no one should be buying these seeds feminized, just get the regs if you are interested in this strain)
HSO
Blue Dream, none
Sagarmatha
Trainwreck, none

This is a small list, but I hope with the help of the RIU community we can share our experiences with one another to better inform ourselves when buying new genetics. Nothing is worse than putting in hard work,time and love into a plant that is going to fuck up your smoke post harvest because of some bad genetics. Please post your own lists, or even just breeders you have experience with that have a high percentage of hermy fem seeds that they sell. For example, I have heard shit talk about Calli connect, but have not grown anything of theirs, and would like to see what others have to say about them before I do. Thanks RIU, looking forward to hearing from you!
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Either you are a totally shite grower or aren't telling the truth. I know a lot of people who grow Endless and not one of them has ever had a hermie flower. in fact I've never seen a hermie flower in any of Dr. G's strains. I do sometimes see the odd male flower in his strains at the very end of flowering which is normal
 
bluntmassa1

bluntmassa1

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brotherjericho said:
Freebies, eh? Perhaps there was a reason they were free...
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could be the breeders I have only gotten 1 from dna but I'm not the only one there was a thread at mns some dude grew out an F1 mango haze made f2's and s1's and the s1's where the least vigorous of all the plants. some of them don't have terrible vigour but every time I always have a few regular plants that have crazy vigour sure if I grow out a big selection I could probably find a decent one from fems but I also like to support real breeders that put the work in and understand how to pick a good male as I could find two great females to cross easily I even got moms I could cross.
 
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