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- Thread starter Swerve
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I have to agree...... It's very misleading to make a hybrid of the original, and then use the name of the female.... Unprofessional and swerves the only person who does it..... At least when Elite did it he came up with his own names instead of selling them as the clone only.... I think it's pretty lame... If he ibled everyone that's a different story, but he's just making basic f1 crosses n using the clones name... Which in return fucks it all up., now everyone has a Larry that isn't Larry, a Tahoe that isn't Tahoe etc....
haha unprofessional? Sorry that swerve is bringing the best genetics to the rest of the world. Why should he have to name the strains any different then the strain that he is trying to bring in seed form to people who can't get the "original" cut? It's less confusing to name it for what it is then to name it something new and unheard of. If I want Larry og genetics I want something called Larry og and not Larry 2 or super Larry.
PJ Diaz
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Because you're not getting what everyone's considered Larry OG for all these years. Sure, you are getting genetics of Larry OG, but if you grow it out and take a random cut from a female plant it's not gonna be the same as true Larry OG (or Blue Bream or whatever clone only strain you're trying to replicate). Then you start getting cuts of these BS versions sent out to dispensaries, and it fucks the whole thing up. When I buy a Blue Dream clone, I wanna know it's the real thing, and not some BS replication attempt based on recombining the original genetics and see what we get.
Lemon Larry, Sour Larry, Purple Larry, Larry's funk, San Fernando Larry anything to indicate that larry is in the the hybrid, without misleading it to be the original larry OG; the same goes for all the other lines also. U can be the guy with fakes though, just state that you have a fake and not the original when you trade or talk about it. Doesn't mean its not fire, its just not the original; and should be stated or clarified..... Although you do not want a larry 2 or w.e else u said; most people do want to know that, and if u were trading with me or anyone I know that'd have to be clarified. If it wasn't I'd feel ripped off or played if I traded some real verified stuff for a CC Larry OG n not the original.
DoomBrew420
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When people grow it out they should address it for what it really is. "I have TCC blue dream" or larry or w/e, they shouldn't try to make it seem like the clone only. In turn asking capitalist breeders to not make money off of uneducated noobs thinking there getting the real thing is just ridiculous. I agree they should change the name or at least make it extremely apparent that these aren't the originals. It compromises the qualitative integrity of our beloved community.
colocowboy
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There's no saving you boobs from looking uneducated!
**Cubing is bringing a "pheno" to "strain", this is called "breeding".
**Cubing is bringing a "pheno" to "strain", this is called "breeding".
hotrodharley
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Unknowing and/or uncaring livestock owners do close to the same and devalue the line and the name.
PJ Diaz
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Since most marijuana "strains" have multiple phenos, that doesn't really mean much to me.
all i have to say is you dont like it do it yourself otherwise sit back and watch like the rest.. at least i actually have the legit clone only from the originators of the strains...not a second or third hand hope i got the right cut and not a mislabel.. tbh i think mislabeling the clones is more of an issue than the seeds ....but since sfv is an ibl now tahoe is pretty much an ibl and so is larry as they have been incrossed to them selves now to rid the initial outcross.. i can call it what ever i feel like.. and like i said since i use the REAL ORIGINAL CLONES im just getting you guys what you couldnt if u dont live in cali...
Mislabeling clones is an issues with dispensaries, and Mislabeling hybrids is an issue with seed cos... Each should be addressed n changed because all its doing is messing it up for people who do have the real, like me, or for people who r searching for the real....
Theirs ways of obtaining clones with out being in Cali bud n u know that: plenty of people are on these boards sporting the real cuts.
To clarify your saying everything's an ibl cuz SFV is a ibl? Or u r popping Larry seeds, and Tahoe seeds and backcrossing each one specifically... If so how? What traits are you trying to go to be dom in each one? What are you trying to improve with each one? Seems like ur saying they're all ibl cuz sfv is though, which is not true.
Theirs ways of obtaining clones with out being in Cali bud n u know that: plenty of people are on these boards sporting the real cuts.
To clarify your saying everything's an ibl cuz SFV is a ibl? Or u r popping Larry seeds, and Tahoe seeds and backcrossing each one specifically... If so how? What traits are you trying to go to be dom in each one? What are you trying to improve with each one? Seems like ur saying they're all ibl cuz sfv is though, which is not true.
uh no
my SFV ibl is at f6-f7 the tahoe I have at f5 now and the larry same thing...
rawman if i was just using one dad then i can see how you would be saying that but these are worked lines to represent the real ogs ive been growing since 04/05 and smoking some of them since 97
and if you have the real cuts like you say you do why do you care? do u even know my back history? and how i put out shit tons of real legit elite genetics to the medical community in 05/06-07
my SFV ibl is at f6-f7 the tahoe I have at f5 now and the larry same thing...
rawman if i was just using one dad then i can see how you would be saying that but these are worked lines to represent the real ogs ive been growing since 04/05 and smoking some of them since 97
and if you have the real cuts like you say you do why do you care? do u even know my back history? and how i put out shit tons of real legit elite genetics to the medical community in 05/06-07
PJ Diaz
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Then why can't you simply call them something like "CC Larry OG" or something like that?
I guess you still miss the point. No one's denying the hard work you've put into these lines, or the fact that the genetics are superb. The point is that when a strain is known to be "clone-only" then different phenos (and sometimes different genetics) are suddenly introduced under the same name it really makes a mess of things for folks trying to find the very specific traits of the original clone only pheno.
First off, I bring it up because what you've caused is a influx of people coming in to my work with fake shit daily.... Then they get mad when they hear its not real and I've got to explain why it is not and that ur decision on that was shady.
I know ur back history, I'm at every site you've been banned at, and or left
You've been getting this slack forever, but refuse to change it... Shitty on you
N if these are f5 and different things of that nature; why is it listed as Tahoe x sfv f5, Larry x sfv f5... Instead of Larry x Larry f5, and Tahoe x Tahoe f5 at your retailers? If they are true ibls then go head use the name, I do not believe that to be the case tho.
What 2 traits where you look to narrow in on on your process for the Tahoe, and Larry?
I ask these questions, because I have that right as a seed enthusiasts. I have chemD, but does that stop me forom buying chemD hybrids? No way. Clones aren't everything, I love seeds, and have a collection that shows that.... I actually grew your SFV bx2 in 2009 to see how it compared. The clone still floats around, props it was good, better then ur business strategies.... I don't question the quality of the work u put out, I just question why u name hybrids as originals, and now I question why if everything is a ibl according to you; then why haven't you listed it as that? Actually come to think ur aliendawg line was fire too, the keeper from that floats around still also.
Not questioning quality, just ethics. Even when the auto stuff occurred, actually I won't bring that up its the past.
I know ur back history, I'm at every site you've been banned at, and or left
You've been getting this slack forever, but refuse to change it... Shitty on you
N if these are f5 and different things of that nature; why is it listed as Tahoe x sfv f5, Larry x sfv f5... Instead of Larry x Larry f5, and Tahoe x Tahoe f5 at your retailers? If they are true ibls then go head use the name, I do not believe that to be the case tho.
What 2 traits where you look to narrow in on on your process for the Tahoe, and Larry?
I ask these questions, because I have that right as a seed enthusiasts. I have chemD, but does that stop me forom buying chemD hybrids? No way. Clones aren't everything, I love seeds, and have a collection that shows that.... I actually grew your SFV bx2 in 2009 to see how it compared. The clone still floats around, props it was good, better then ur business strategies.... I don't question the quality of the work u put out, I just question why u name hybrids as originals, and now I question why if everything is a ibl according to you; then why haven't you listed it as that? Actually come to think ur aliendawg line was fire too, the keeper from that floats around still also.
Not questioning quality, just ethics. Even when the auto stuff occurred, actually I won't bring that up its the past.
not my fault people come to you with fake shit man. lol do u know how many start up half assed companies there are now a days...just cause i blew it up proper dont shoot the messenger man.. lol you talk like you know so you been working for a dispensary since 05? and dude read the buddha tahoe description on attitude for me.. it still shows the original description not the new one they have had for months... thats called a clerical error on their part. i dont have the time to go to each retailer to check up on the fact they are doing their job... that why they are in business. you ahve chem d you say which version? ogorganic fake asss bullshit ie the cut that went around the last 2 years thanks to him and progressive option .. or do you have the real cut ? did you even know there way a fake?let alone resiviors chem d seeds?
pj considering it comes from my company one would assume that wouldnt they?
pj considering it comes from my company one would assume that wouldnt they?
Hotwired
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Swerve, where did you get the Blue Dream seeds? This is the first time I ever grew one of your plants, in veg, that looks healthy and bushy. It's going into flower in 3 weeks. I pray that it does what every other plant in my garden always does.................gives me fruit without the balls.
I only grew out about 3 packs of your stuff, which is small compared to others. But nothing from you has ever worked out so far until this one seed. Everything has always been lanky and weak. The ones that made it grew balls and the one that didn't grow balls, my last Larry seed, was not anywhere near what it should have been in potency.
None the less I will give you another shot if this Blue Dream comes out good. Especially if she's a keeper.
I only grew out about 3 packs of your stuff, which is small compared to others. But nothing from you has ever worked out so far until this one seed. Everything has always been lanky and weak. The ones that made it grew balls and the one that didn't grow balls, my last Larry seed, was not anywhere near what it should have been in potency.
None the less I will give you another shot if this Blue Dream comes out good. Especially if she's a keeper.
well technically it is called CC larry og, dispensaries just choose not to label them thatway, and as they get passed along through breeders, they just get called something and thats what sticks. Im not taking sides here, im just saying its more the fault of growers and dispensaries rather than the breeders fault... Dinafem has an OG kush, I tell people that its a dinafem og kush cut if they get one from me, but if they choose to sell the bud after its done growing as plain old OG kush, thats on them.