HELP PLEASE!! 3 week old seedlings yellowing at bottom and drooping all over!!

Barnsy73

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I would run the lights on when its easiest for you so you can work with them if you have to if the lights are on at 2 am its a little harder to work on them ya know. I set mine up so I can work in the grow cab when I'm done work and its my time ya know. And I have used the same tester and they aren't much good but they do work take some plain water and check that then get some vinegar or lemon juice (teaspoon or so) and put some in the same amount off water as you tested without to see if it works it should lower it I keep mine at 5.9 to 6.5
 
that probably what im gonna do. but i dont even know if i wanna mess with the lights right now cuz i dont want them to die on me.

i only fed them 1/4 strenght nutes. you guys think i fried them?
 
Anybody have any suggestions why they're curling down and towards the stems?

Patience is a virtue, one that I struggle with lol I'm just frustrated cuz the were lookin good last night and today... Not so much
 

hammer6913

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Anybody have any suggestions why they're curling down and towards the stems?

Patience is a virtue, one that I struggle with lol I'm just frustrated cuz the were lookin good last night and today... Not so much
HIGH All, ahhhh poor little babies...this is from one of my Mentors

Leaf curl/cupping & leaf margin rolling-signs of Plant Moisture Stress


Quite often I hear groans from folks having leaf problems -> “Help, my leaves are cupping and the leaf edges are turning brown!”, or, “My plant's leaf tips are curling down and turning black ....what's wrong?” Unless insect damage has occurred or the plant is suffering from a severe case of calcium deficiency, the plant is trying to tell you that it is water stressed. It's hard to tell *exactly* what the culprit is, and unfortunately the “solution” the grower chooses many times is not the right one. A mis-diagnosis only serves to make matters worse by promoting further decline. I’ll try to cover some of the more common causes that can induce these common symptoms and try to offer a few simple solutions. The ultimate and correct solution is in the hands of the grower.

1. Over-fertilizing - the most common cause of leaf cupping aka leaf margin rolling, leaf margin burn, and leaf tip curl/burn is the overzealous use of too much plant food in relationship to factors such as plant vigor and rate of growth. The first unit of a plant to show moisture stress is the leaf at its margins and/or tips, reflected by margin rolling (cupping) or burning. A hard, crispy feel to the leaf frequently occurs as well, as opposed to a soft and cool feel of a happy leaf. When you have a high concentration of salts in solution (in the root medium) compared to the salinity levels found in the plant’s tissue, water is actually drawn out of the plant across the root gradient in order to fix the ppm imbalance. IOW, this is a natural, osmotic response that serves to equalize salinity levels on both sides of the root’s epidermal gradient. Back off on the amount and/or frequency of plant food. Too much plant food can also burn the roots, especially the sensitive root tips, which then creates another set of problems. Note - as soil dries, the concentration of the remaining salts rises further exacerbating the problem.

2. High Heat - the plant is losing water via it’s leaves faster than what can be replaced by the root system. The leaf responds by leaf margin cupping or rolling up or down (most times up) in order to conserve moisture. A good example is reflected by the appearance of broad-bladed turf grass on a hot summer day, high noon, with low soil moisture levels - the leaf blade will roll upward/inward with the grass taking on a dull, greyish-green appearance. Upon sunrise when moisture levels have returned to normal, the leaf blade will be flat. Lower the heat and concentrate on developing a large, robust root system by practicing sound plant culture. An efficient and effective root system will go a long way to prevent heat induced leaf dessication and leaf margin curling. One short episode of high heat is enough to permanently disable or destroy leaf tissue and cause a general decline in the leaves affected, which often occurs to leaves found at the top of the plant. The damaged leaf (usually) does not fully recover, no matter what you do. Bummer in the summer. One can only look to new growth for indications that the problem has been corrected.

3. High Light - yes, it’s true, you can give our faves too much light. Cannabis does not receive full sun from sunrise to sunset in its natural state. It is shaded or given reduced light levels because of adjacent plant material, cloudy conditions, rain, dust, twilight periods in the morning and late afternoon, and light intensity changes caused by a change in the seasons. Too much light mainly serves to bleach out and destroy chlorophyll as opposed to causing leaf cupping, but it often goes hand-in-hand with high heat for indoor growers. Again, back off on the light and concentrate on developing/maintaining an efficient and robust root system.

4. Overwatering - for those doing soil, this practice only serves to weaken the root system by depriving the roots of proper gas exchange. IOW, the roots are not getting enough oxygen which creates an anerobic condition inducing root rot and root decline with the end result showing up as leaf stress, stunted growth, and in severe cases, death. <gasp!> Overwatering creates a perfect environment for damp-off disease, at, or below the soil line. Alot of times folks think the plant is not getting enough plant food (which it can't under such adverse conditions), they add more nutes for a "curative", and just add insult to injury.

5. Underwatering - not only is the plant now stressed due to a low supply of adequate moisture, but carbohydrate production has been greatly compromised (screwed up). Step up the watering frequency, and if need be, organic growers may need to water from the bottom up until moisture levels reach a norm throughout the medium. If the pot feels light to the lift - it’s time to water. Don’t wait until the soil pulls away from the sides of the pot or leaves droop before you water. And of course, leach once in a while to get rid of excess salts.

All of the above issues relate to a plant's internal cell turgor or cell water pressure. If water pressure within the plant's stem and leaf cells are positive, the plant will look strong and stocky with flat leaves that are cool to the touch due to good transpiration from the leaf surface. By the same token, if the water pressure is not up to par, whereby water is being extracted from the plant and not replenished like it should be.... the leaves and/or stems will droop.

Happy gardening,
Uncle Ben

hope this helps ya
 
Nice. I was lookin at that too. So the whole time I've been concerned about over watering.. But I'm starting to consider maybe I'm underwatering cuz the soil does kinda separate from the edge of the cup and even after I water the cup is still light and not noticeably heavier. I used to use the little 2oz Dixie cups (holds two 1 oz shots in it) and pour distiller water from there and pinch the cup rather than from the gal jug. To this day I wouldn't say I would even give each a full cup maybe 1/2 to 1/3 until I saw a little bit of run out the bottom. And trust me they have enough drainage holes.is that too much or not enough? I see some ppl say they don't stop watering until 10% of what they put in has come out the bottom.. Anybody go by this measure? I'll be honest the whole time I kinda rules out underwatering cuz I didn't think these girls would need much more?
Da
 

hammer6913

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Nice. I was lookin at that too. So the whole time I've been concerned about over watering.. But I'm starting to consider maybe I'm underwatering cuz the soil does kinda separate from the edge of the cup and even after I water the cup is still light and not noticeably heavier. I used to use the little 2oz Dixie cups (holds two 1 oz shots in it) and pour distiller water from there and pinch the cup rather than from the gal jug. To this day I wouldn't say I would even give each a full cup maybe 1/2 to 1/3 until I saw a little bit of run out the bottom. And trust me they have enough drainage holes.is that too much or not enough? I see some ppl say they don't stop watering until 10% of what they put in has come out the bottom.. Anybody go by this measure? I'll be honest the whole time I kinda rules out underwatering cuz I didn't think these girls would need much more?
Da
give the cup a szueeze. you should be able to tell if they are dry or wet by the feeel can you roll a joint? use that theory too moist to dry no what i mean give it a try
 
Yea I got you on te Rollin part lol all I do is burn L's since my bong broke lol

Seems to be fine by squeezing them gently.. No mud and no complete separation.. I mean I hope that's good lol
 
There's your best advice. If you go 18/6, you'll notice them perk up in the morning.

Also, get ready to transplant into bigger containers, but not the final containers. Depending on the pheno you have, the NL strain is usually pretty thick in the roots. And we tend to get used to growing clones, which never have the root system as the mother from seed, so these plants are surely ready for a pot-up, but don't drop 'em in a 5 gallon bucket just yet, just something slightly bigger than the starter cups. FF is hot enough to supply everything they need at that size.
They are all 2-3.5 inches in height.. You think the girls are ready for bigger pots?
 

Mother's Finest

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They should have been transplanted awhile ago. Germinated seedlings get put into seed starter soil or another similarly inert medium because they can't handle most fertilizers. Very often, plastic drinking cups are used for this stage. Once the 3-bladed leaves start growing in, the plants begin to need weak ferts. At this point they usually get transplanted into fertile soil. We use 3-liter bottles for this vegging stage. The fertilizers we mix into our vegging soil support them until they are ready for flowering so no extra is added manually.

If you remove a plant from its cup and check the roots, you'll probably see them circling around the bottom edge of the cup. This is the beginning of root binding, a condition that's deadly to the plants.

Testing the runoff is not an accurate measure of soil pH. The pH of the runoff is usually an average of the soil and liquid combined, rather than a good reading of either one. Knowing the pH of the liquids you water with is helpful only because they affect soil pH, which is most important. The one tool every grower should have is a soil pH tester. It's a good idea to get both a probe-type pH meter as well as a second, cheap test kit such as a capsule-type kit. The capsules can verify the probe's readings once in awhile and can also test the soil pH when the soil's dry.
 

hammer6913

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They should have been transplanted awhile ago. Germinated seedlings get put into seed starter soil or another similarly inert medium because they can't handle most fertilizers. Very often, plastic drinking cups are used for this stage. Once the 3-bladed leaves start growing in, the plants begin to need weak ferts. At this point they usually get transplanted into fertile soil. We use 3-liter bottles for this vegging stage. The fertilizers we mix into our vegging soil support them until they are ready for flowering so no extra is added manually.

so am i wasting my money with route66 and flora nova veg ferts?
 
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+rep to everyone that posted.

well heres the update. i was definately in need of a transplant to say the least lol i didnt take pics during but here they are about 30 min after i transplanted the last one. no serious binding at bottom but the ones that were starting to shape the cup i teased and pulled a lil bit like mentioned in a previous post in this thread, ji bedded them in and misted soil, i barely had enough to fill the pots as i did but monday ill be getting more soil cuz the garden stores not open on sunday here. im feelin good about the transplant and still leaving the lights on 24/0 for now because i think the roots out-growing the cups was causing most of my problems... they may have needed a lil bit of Nitrogen but so far im not seeing anything i would say is nute burn.. but over/ under watering.. i gave them a nice drink after the transplant so ill wait 2 days at least before watering. depending on the next couple days will dictate when i switch to the 18/6 cycle. i wanna see what results i get after the transplant. if they are still drying out like crazy ill switch to 18/6. but before i do, what would you guys water these girls? they will be a month old on the 13th and are in 3 gal pots. the heights range from 3 3/4 to 5 in roughly measured from uneven soil.

again, thank you guys, the post have been very helpful. ill be sure to post with updates
 

hammer6913

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+rep to everyone that posted.

well heres the update. i was definately in need of a transplant to say the least lol i didnt take pics during but here they are about 30 min after i transplanted the last one. no serious binding at bottom but the ones that were starting to shape the cup i teased and pulled a lil bit like mentioned in a previous post in this thread, ji bedded them in and misted soil, i barely had enough to fill the pots as i did but monday ill be getting more soil cuz the garden stores not open on sunday here. im feelin good about the transplant and still leaving the lights on 24/0 for now because i think the roots out-growing the cups was causing most of my problems... they may have needed a lil bit of Nitrogen but so far im not seeing anything i would say is nute burn.. but over/ under watering.. i gave them a nice drink after the transplant so ill wait 2 days at least before watering. depending on the next couple days will dictate when i switch to the 18/6 cycle. i wanna see what results i get after the transplant. if they are still drying out like crazy ill switch to 18/6. but before i do, what would you guys water these girls? they will be a month old on the 13th and are in 3 gal pots. the heights range from 3 3/4 to 5 in roughly measured from uneven soil.

again, thank you guys, the post have been very helpful. ill be sure to post with updates

hey man good deal hope ur grow gets better ill bet it does good luck
 

TshirtNinja

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good to hear your plants are doing better and thanks for stopping by my thread to check on mine. i transplanted as well and these are the results from last night they are amazing now.
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the droopy one is standing completely up when i checked it when i woke up an hour ago. I honestly suggest you start feeding your babies black-strap molasses as that is how i built my plants up from birth and they are now taking nutes like a champ. i will be feeding molasses every feeding up until 2 weeks to chopping but im seriously noticing nice growth on my ladies and will keep updating my journal in the Sig with the results..... looking at grow tents lately so i might be upgrading since my led light is coming in by mid week.
 
im waiting for growth to pick up a little bit before i get too concerned.. BUT my next task is finding a good ph meter to check my soil cuz i bought one for 8 bucks from lowes and it was SHIT. anybody have any recommendations for good soil ph meters? im not looking to spend 100 bucks on it... ive got PH strips for pool/spa and measure ph and has been working out good so far but im probably gonna pick up one of these ph pens http://cgi.ebay.com/pH-600-Milwaukee-Digital-pH600-Meter-Tester-Pocket-Pen-/370445381723?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item564043f05b. anybody recommend them or are they POS? i wanna get a better handle on my ph and preferably before i start giving them nutes. theyre in new soil now so i dont need to right away.

i hear the rapitest soil kits are garbage too... what do you guys use to check your soil? how reliable is it?

also, rather than buying something like Calmag to adjust ph... anybody use vinegar to lower it/baking soda to raise it? or is this harmful for the plants....
 
good to hear your plants are doing better and thanks for stopping by my thread to check on mine. i transplanted as well and these are the results from last night they are amazing now.
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the droopy one is standing completely up when i checked it when i woke up an hour ago. I honestly suggest you start feeding your babies black-strap molasses as that is how i built my plants up from birth and they are now taking nutes like a champ. i will be feeding molasses every feeding up until 2 weeks to chopping but im seriously noticing nice growth on my ladies and will keep updating my journal in the Sig with the results..... looking at grow tents lately so i might be upgrading since my led light is coming in by mid week.
no problem dude.

is the molasses like an alternative for cal mag? do yoiu use it with/without nutes?
 

Barnsy73

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Lookin way better headed in the right direction good work !!! I'll be lurkin around. LOL!!! Peace
 

Weed Daddy

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Well I would add at least some sea kelp/ Magic green etc to them... it is safe and gentle but will provide a lift, and be more concerned with what ph of water is you are feeding them with.. 6 is good ... get a ph meter and 7.0 calibration solution... Good Luck Peace
 

Punk

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Anybody have any suggestions why they're curling down and towards the stems?

Patience is a virtue, one that I struggle with lol I'm just frustrated cuz the were lookin good last night and today... Not so much
The water absorbing roots are pushing all the way down and you're stressing them...I'm telling you, pot up and watch them blossom. Pull back on the water when you do.
 
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