help plant looking deficient

youngg

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What I wanted to do was use this cfl another 2-4 weeks then 400w hps for rest of veg to get her into scrog and preperd for flower as I bought a 1000w hps sodium son.t for when I flip her into flower
 

az2000

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I know what you mean because I searched and a site said it's for hydros to would I use that liquid karma as a foiler and can I use unsulphured molasses as a sugar
When we talk again, recall that I didn't recommend anything you just said.

It seems like you're finding things through web searches, then asking us why you're having trouble doing what you found. We tell you what to do, and then you revise our suggestions with what you find through web searches.

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orbo

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Either way should work just fine but you gotta keep it warm if your in a cold climate. The heat will help to evaporate the water and dry out the soil, along with the fan. Keep the heat as consistent as you can and take notes of your watering schedules. Times, dates, amounts...etc. This helps keep you from over watering. Eventually it levels out to a pretty consistent routine but right now you're battling with a small plant in a giant pot....takes a little extra attention to the soil.
 

orbo

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When we talk again, recall that I didn't recommend anything you just said.

It seems like you're finding things through web searches, then asking us why you're having trouble doing what you found. We tell you what to do, and then you revise our suggestions with what you find through web searches.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The wit in that post will be almost completely unrecognized.
 

youngg

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When we talk again, recall that I didn't recommend anything you just said.

It seems like you're finding things through web searches, then asking us why you're having trouble doing what you found. We tell you what to do, and then you revise our suggestions with what you find through web searches.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The wit in that post will be almost completely unrecognized.
I'm trying to learn as it's hard for me as no one who I know can help me with this it's would be better if I could video call yous somehow so you can see and help me understand if you don't mind me taking up some of your time
 

youngg

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And what about If I use the 400w hps 1 week into flower then when I'm 2 week into flower use the 1000w hps
 

az2000

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I don't want to be discouraging. It's good you're thinking outside the box. But, just 1/16th tsp/gal sugar and follow the label on LK (5ml/gal). Stop searching the internet for awhile. (Why would you even think of foliar to feed the soil microbiology? :shock:).

Growing is not this hard. Use a light/airy, well-drained soil; a soil fertilizer; start with 150ppm water; 20% runoff to protect against overfeeding (salt buildup, until you get things dialed in); water when the container is light.

The munchausen's reference was humorous because the way you're over-doing it, it seems like it's more about filling a personal need to make the plant grow according to your effort, not letting the plant do it's thing. (There's not a clear line between those two things. But, you're overcomplicating things, from searching the web I think.).
 

youngg

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I don't want to be discouraging. It's good you're thinking outside the box. But, just 1/16th tsp/gal sugar and follow the label on LK (5ml/gal). Stop searching the internet for awhile. (Why would you even think of foliar to feed the soil microbiology? :shock:).

Growing is not this hard. Use a light/airy, well-drained soil; a soil fertilizer; start with 150ppm water; 20% runoff to protect against overfeeding (salt buildup, until you get things dialed in); water when the container is light.

The munchausen's reference was humorous because the way you're over-doing it, it seems like it's more about filling a personal need to make the plant grow according to your effort, not letting the plant do it's thing. (There's not a clear line between those two things. But, you're overcomplicating things, from searching the web I think.).
Thanks i will pick some liquid karma up on Christmas Eve stores open near me what type of sugar do I use
 

az2000

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Thanks i will pick some liquid karma up on Christmas Eve stores open near me what type of sugar do I use
I just use table (granulated) sugar. Sometimes I substitute 1/8tsp molasses. I think molassess is overrated. All you're doing is feeding the microbes in the soil which help the plant uptake nutrients (hence, some refer to it as "chelation" properties). It doesn't matter if it's sugar, molasses. It's raw carbs, easy food for the microbes.

If you were feeding a fertilizer with organic sources of nutrients, that too would feed the microbes (more than synthetic nutrients). You could supplement (even with GH 3-part) with things like fish emulsion, blood meal, guano, worm castings (lots of stuff). But, I wouldn't recommend doing that on your first grow. And, I would recommend a more soil-oriented fertilizer next time.
 
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iPop

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Molasses if sugar is even needed. I agree you are totally obsessing and lack patience - nothing is wrong in your grow except for the things already pointed out and waiting will fix that.

Use the KISS method (keep it simple stupid)... remember plants have been growing and producing flowers, buds, fruit for thousands of years, with no intervention until we came along so go easy, go light on additives and practice the very thing that all plants need of you... Patience ;)

Peace!
 

youngg

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Thanks my store don't stock so gonna have order online but I'll get next day delivery I've got that journal out writing everything down
 

az2000

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Not to encourage you to complicate things, but GH's Floralicious Plus could be equivalent to LK (in case it's available to you). I don't know. I don't want to sound like I'm forcing you to next-day LK because it's the schizzle. It's all I've used. Any fulvic/humic, goo should work. All you're doing with it (and sugar) is helping the soil microbes.
 

youngg

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Not to encourage you to complicate things, but GH's Floralicious Plus could be equivalent to LK (in case it's available to you). I don't know. I don't want to sound like I'm forcing you to next-day LK because it's the schizzle. It's all I've used. Any fulvic/humic, goo should work. All you're doing with it (and sugar) is helping the soil microbes.
Yo thanks bro really appreciate everything your doing to help me I think I already got you followed on here and I remember looking into floralicious plus people where saying it made there plants smell like a French whore house sounds good lmao
 

az2000

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They're coming along. Do they look that pale (yellow, chlorotic) in person, or is it the lighting?

If that is representative of how they look, they should green up if you let the soil go through more diverse wet/dry cycles. I'm growing one with NPK ratio 1-1-1 (low N for veg) and I felt it was too pale. But, it's greening up in mid veg.

I may have contributed to the paleness because I watered too soon a time or two in the seedling stage. I was trying to get more nutrients to the plant thinking it was hungry, didn't wait for the soil to be as dry as it could have been (which I think contributed by making N being less available).
 

iPop

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1-1-1 is ok in veg, but I've found that 3-1-2 produces better and more vigorous plants. 1-3-2 is best for flower ;)
 
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