HELP My plants leaves are dying rapidly from bottom up w/PICs I'm a newbie

damn well my girl is about 2ft tall is this too soon to flower and about how much bud on adverage at this height will I be able to yeild? She is covered in pistles and I read that they double size in flower so right now it would workout perfect with my stealth set-up.
 

DaveCoulier

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damn well my girl is about 2ft tall is this too soon to flower and about how much bud on adverage at this height will I be able to yeild? She is covered in pistles and I read that they double size in flower so right now it would workout perfect with my stealth set-up.
I dont imagine many people around here even let their plants get to two feet before flowering. Most are 12 inches or so, so yeah go ahead and flower. Id expect the height to double if their an indica or hybrid. If she's heavy sativa, you can expect more.
 

pbbro

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I don't understand the whole "non-chemical" thing. The "non-chemical" solutions to pH have the basic ingredient in common, a negatively charged particle.

the same thing i don't understand about the difference between mushrooms and LSD.... they both come from plants. but lsd is considered a 'chemical'
I'm a professional chemist and believe me the whole "organic" vs "chemical" thing is just very good marketing. All matter is made of elements. Using vinnegar IS using a chemical. Vinnegar is just dilute acetic acid.
 

thelastpirate

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Sorry man, but that's what happens when you use all the wrong stuff to grow pot with. lol Nothing you need as far as soil and nutes go will be found at Wal-Mart, Lowes, or Homo Depot. This is what that shit does to your plants. Oh well guess you'll spend $20 on better soil next time huh?

Oh, and you don't have any pics like your post boasts. haha post boasts
There aint a damn thing wrong with using MG. People do it every day. If it killed plants, they wouldn't be the largest mfgr in the US. Try and find a store that sells gardening supplies and doesn't carry either Scotts, Peters, or MG. All the same company. Now the directions on the packaging leave a lot to be desired. You gotta remember, most folks who buy their product have at least some gardening experience. This is about the only plant I can think of that your average person will just run out and decide to grow. I don't know anyone who woke up one day and decided to grow Dracena Palms, or Boston Ferns, especially with little to no gardening experience.

Your killing your plants everytime you try to add more nutes, MG organic has 3 months of food in it time released by water feeding. When it comes to soils like MG its very very easy to nute burn them since they are packed with nutes already. IMO flush the plants (at least the same amount of water to the size container i.e. 5gal bucket = 5gal water) STOP GIVING IT NUTES, and maybe they will be alright but most importantly STOP GIVING TIME RELEASED SOIL NUTES :-P

Also remember just by giving it water feeds it so when you flush dont go to crazy like the dude above said with the "35 gallons or water" thats BS
There again, directions on the package. They really ought to put it on the package that one should NOT use additional nutes for at least 90 days. That's where most newbies get killed.

is there an organic way to get the ph down i dont want to use any chems unless i have to
I don't THINK OMRI certifies any pH down, but generally it's either gonna be Citric Acid, or Potassium Citrate. Either way, your plants will use it. Also remember that most ferts get N from Urea, very acidic and will drop pH.

I am using mg soil and had similar problem. I was over watering i cut back my watering and the problem went away. flushing mg is just going to release all the 3 months of fertilizer and burn the shit out of those plants. IMHO
Like with organics, it's a bitch flushing slow release. A transplant may be in order if it gets too bad.
Almost any nursery/garden ctr is gonna have a "house brand" potting soil mix. No added nutes. Way cheaper and better.

damn well my girl is about 2ft tall is this too soon to flower and about how much bud on adverage at this height will I be able to yeild? She is covered in pistles and I read that they double size in flower so right now it would workout perfect with my stealth set-up.
Count on it tripling in height. Any less will be gravy.
Yeild is way too strain related to be specific, and it's all in how your gardening skills measure up. Some go by the "gram per watt" scale, others by other means. You'll always be disappointed, believe me.

Another thing to remember about MG is that it pretty much lacks the macros, regardless of what it says on the package. You WILL need to feed CalMag.

That's what did me in my first 2 grows. I did everything right according to the packages. I DID get the "no added nutes" soil tho. But I thought I overdid the MG, and burnt the living shit outta them, so I flushed. A week later, same thing, and it got way worse.
By the time all was said and done, I had 2 wretched, gnarled, burnt to almost death girls. (That yeilded about 4 oz of mind blistering weed, so all was good!!)

The second grow was completely organic, but pretty much went the same, really making me feel stupid. The third time it hit me. (OK someone smarter than me told me) Cal-Mag!!!
Haven't had a problem since, and neither have 2 friends who also grow, and they do use MG.


Yep...I'm ripped.

Oh, pbbro. There is a huge difference between chemical and organic nutrients, just as there are huge differences between most chemical drugs and their natural alkaloid kin. Mother nature has a way of binding things together in a way that is far superior to anything we can accomplish. We cannot duplicate exactly any naturally occurring compounds. Marinol, while chemically identical to THC, has nowhere near the effectiveness of the real, natural thing. Need studies? PM me.
 

Jeffdogg

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There again, directions on the package. They really ought to put it on the package that one should NOT use additional nutes for at least 90 days. That's where most newbies get killed.
Indeed and thats one of the reasons that MG has a bad name. Cause most people burn their plants with it :-(
 

tricombingthesehairs

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slow release get em everytime. use mg org soil,1 tbls of mg bone meal,mix in soil. take them from seedling to flower with just water. then when about to flower give them a half strenght of a bloom fert.(fox farm big bloom+ ff micro nute )water 2x feed once and so on until 3rd week in flower then up the dose to 1 tbls of big bloom + micro nute. till done adjust with a test plant never on all your plants remember that always saves alot of heartache. gl mollasses is a waste of time imop a good flus 10 days before harvest workes wonders!
 
Slow down not going to fix overnight if you could remove some of the mg soil and add normal growing soil and get a flush from a local store. Then water till you see improvement. You might want to get rid of the mg soil and transplant what else do you have to lose. And if your using tap water CLEAN your gallon jugs out without soap and RINSE them good! and fill them all for the week and the first feed for the next so the chlor. in the tap water goes away. Spend a little money if you want to grow better. you dont have to be rich to grow just smart.
 

spl1

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when people start to use Mg soil they need to realize that it has a small amount of nut in it 0.21 - 0.07 - 0.14, and again there is nothing wrong with MG soil it works. just stop watering you plant until it dry's out you can drown a plant and it can give the same symptoms as a lock out. When you start to add nut I take what the package tells you to use dived it by 8 for foliage spray in the first week then up it an 1/8 every week until full strength, as for adding nut to dirt it is about the same way. but instead of every week it is every two weeks.

Most Soils are a great PH buffer for your plants, the only real problem is making user you leave you water out over night before you water to let the chlorine evaporate out your soil has beneficial bacteria and micro organisms in it and chlorine can kill them off. If you have hard water use Epsom salt 1/4 tsp per gallon with 1/8 tsp of dish soap. The dish soap will help balance out the soil from inorganic salt build up.

Also from the looks of your pics you have a hard water problem and with hard water will always look like magnesium or manganese lock out.
1/2 tsp (2ml) Dyna-Gro Pro-Tekt 0-0-3 will help build plant tissue and make it stronger so things like this won't effect it. Take a look at some of my grows all of it is MG soil when I use soil and Mg nut added with watering, hell I even spray mg a full strength on the leaf system.

The avatar pic is all Mg soil and added nut.

Good luck with your plants
 
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