Help me start my perpetual garden

Will this make it? It helmet headed bad and IME it is 50/50 chance but wondering if it is more. I am running late getting perpetual started, a week behind the first beans popped.

Thread is more about helping find a keeper seedling/clone asap to perpetuate on time. I get delayed easily but not trying to pop seeds /clones too soon. Thread will prob be short because there are answers to this that I took too long to initiate.

So I am impatient, wondering if I should keep a clone if this don’t work or toss the clone if this bounces back in next few days.

I germinated a lot but because I am late, I am hoping for feed back. Getting anxious. Lemon bubble photoperiod.

Edited thread to be a permanent place for seedling trouble. I get those sometimes where idk if it is a wrap or not. Sometimes I am wrong. Usually a helmet head.

Sometimes the cotyledons are more developed with first leafs out which is no question but this one is a bit worse.

Sometimes I cannot tell if the cotyledons have the clear membrane peeled off or not which needs be addressed asap or it rots. I think it is peeled but cotyledon is too small/tight to tell, don’t want to kill it poking it to see if it moves and separates but it appeared to..

Looks like it will 2 me.

Ok now to leave it be for a couple days. I opened it to make sure but it looks weird like it has flesh under the inner cotyledon which looks like has membrane on it and on the stem right behind the cotyledon still. That seed to cotyledon membrane or skin remaining from the seed.

Looks better and good I didnt damage the root which was also weird shaped so the tap root will have a weird structure. It is sitting in the coco just as it looks before, because bending it can snap it so I just planted it as is, gently. Hope I did not harm it but like I said you know how it rots quickly if you don’t peel it.

She might be a freak from the get. Keep your clones handy might need to flower one instead.

She's opening. Should be a different color in 24 hrs

Sometimes a helmet will lead to a crooked main stem-but the plant is usually ok in the long run

I say 50/50 because sometimes when you get it under the light, the cotyledons just stay starchy looking and die as if it was not ready for light or not get it soon enough along with development from seed to planting so it dies. Part of why I like paper towel method, I can monitor and control that.

It is as if the first immediate portion of the seedling doesn’t always stretch so it can just root downward and not surface. Helmet heads IME need immediate attention, this likely is on the line.

I'd say a good 80%+ of the seeds I pop end up with the shell and membrane still on the seedling. Slowly becoming a master of removing them without harm. Wish I didn't have to.

I love it when they truely “pop” in 3 days, seed ejected and seedling looking vigorous, purple upper stem and a healthy yellow/green cotyledon and true leaf, hungry to get started. Perpetuating two bigger plants and one of them was like this but the second I am struggling to get going, week behind.

As matter fact, I am behind because the initial bean popped but just as it popped I must have chipped the root so it died. Not because paper method, I would likely harm a seedling digging it up to see what is wrong. I must of just handled it too harsh. The paper method just always was my go-to. When things go wrong it is easier to check and handle. IMO.

Here is a side project of a auto that helmet headed but bounced back which hoping this one follows suit. True leafs are rotten looking but on the side of more sure to make it as normal.

Does revegging decrease potency or is that harder to know and something to not worry about? My clone needs to reveg if I end up using it but also just curious.

Nature finds a way. My best keeper right now should have died several times over. It started as a helmet-head. Then it put out one huge damaged-weird looking leaf and just stalled. There was no new growth for like 2 weeks but it wouldn’t die. The plant grew a new shoot, from BELOW the cotyledon/stem junction and THAT became the new top. The plant was a runt and I decided “fuck it” let’s transplant and flower it to see what happens. It turned out to be my best plant, and I didn’t have cuts taken. I revegged the plant and took my clones. I gave the plant to a friend for “shits and giggles” because it was doing so well, and I told him to try and flower it for an experiment. It filled his 4x4 tent and budded well. The little ugly duckling runt of a plant, that started out fucked up, then grew out fucked up and should have dies twice and been killed, it my favorite princess right now. Stanky AF, carbon filter-killer, coat your mouth-sour, tastes/smells like: lemon-pledge, pine-sol and kerosene (Kings Banner x Old 70’s Indica, from Gooey
Breeder) from a seed pack from my best friend who recently passed away. I feel this one is “special”, kinda like my buddy was looking down on me and helped me find it.

I guess if to avoid cloning I would just start 2 weeks prior or pop more at once but want to avoid having to toss a live plant. Beans are costly too.

I was simply popping beans to start off the flower tent and once 60 days flip, a week or two I anxiously try to get 2 more beans popped and vegged for 60 days ish, 2x2 canopy and repeat. Chop every 2.5 months.

Doing from seed can mess this up or have uncontrolled mishaps but something makes me stick to seed even though I JUST learned how to clone with rapid rooters. Perpetuate 2 plants.

For fun, I was thinking of using a 1x1 space cabinet for an auto which I am almost done with my first success in it, to toss a bean in there along with my photos to veg 30 days and perpetuate a 1x1. Chop every 2.5 months.

Any tips to enhance my ideas let me know but only trying to do 2 plants at once. Limited space. Variety. Quicker harvest perpetuating. That is really what thread is about and placed it in newbie section because I only have half a clue what I am doing.

2x4 veg, 1x1 flower and 2.5x5 flower tent.

I’ve learned that you can’t always rely on your planned schedule. Sometimes the plant is just gonna do what the plant wants to do. You need to perfect your cloning game to really succeed in running a perpetual grow, especially when trying to run different plants for variety. It’s very difficult to pop new seeds each run and get any sort of reliable prediction on finishing time, in order to time your next run. What you’re describing will be more difficult to do from seed than clone.

Since we’re talking about seedlings, here is one of mine that I mentioned. Day 7 ready for transplant. I cut the bottom of cup and taped it shut and cut two slices so all I do it gently unravel it and plant and slide out. That way ease of use and no roots get cut doing that after the fact.

I avoid tipping upside down, coco or at least mine sits loose and a week aint enough time to root enough to do that but good enough to transplant. I guess I do this to make feeding simple for the first week and pretreat the coco with h2o2 water to stay clean until transplant.

Pita to transplant one but the drip line is for two plants. So hand water it is for a week. This is the one that germinated so well. Oops just realized I posted the healthy one already, the auto that helmet headed, here is the before and after planting. Then the one in question, lemon bubble. Just to correct that.

I rinsed with mouthwash, waited a little bit, and then spit (licked) on my last helmet headed seedling. Did that a few times a day for like 2 days, and it finally softened up. The enzymes help break down the tough membrane & really works! It probably would have died otherwise, or ripped apart when I tweezed it open. Was pretty bad off unlike the rest I've dealt with that just needed a little help. Plant was a runt, but produced the most potent little flowers. Oozed terpy sap just like a pine tree does, and smelled like it too. A true freak. Kinda wish I tried cloning it now..

MissinThe90’sStrains said:

I’ve learned that you can’t always rely on your planned schedule. Sometimes the plant is just gonna do what the plant wants to do. You need to perfect your cloning game to really succeed in running a perpetual grow, especially when trying to run different plants for variety. It’s very difficult to pop new seeds each run and get any sort of reliable prediction on finishing time, in order to time your next run. What you’re describing will be more difficult to do from seed than clone.

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Especially if the strains are to flower for different durations. I wanted to keep it on the DL but see that is why I post anyways, I often am surprised at what I dont realize until I post it. Maybe I can try to pick similar flower durations and amputate some branches to keep the prepared veg plants in size before finally swapping tents? And eventually try to run clones of strains I will be ok with vaping for some time?

Like right now I didnt even check flower times for both plants. I could already be setting up for a crappy ride. I tried to set up perpetuating tents but decided to flower everything and chop asap and so never got to perpetuate a full garden. I was aiming to just have the dreadful 60 day veg time over with, with a couple plants that can go in the 2.5x5 and veg a little longer, like a week or two. Then flip.

I was hoping the setup could just shave some time off between harvests so I can benefit from photos (much much more strains to choose) and have more promising results. It doesn’t have to be ready other than sooner than later so the veg plants arent just getting wacked bi weekly.

For your situation, I think you’d have the best luck trying to find clones if at all possible. Pheno hunting is very difficult with low plant counts, and investing so much time and a large percentage of your space to growing crap stuff can be heartbreaking when you’re really counting on it. You can control size of plants by training them in veg, not an issue. Taking 2 plants from seed to flower every run will cause you a lot of headaches for how small of a project it seems.

Edit - I run seeds to hunt for keepers, and just hash whatever isn’t good enough to keep/smoke. Repeat process, until a few unique plants are found and then just run clones of those as needed.

Lemon bubble and kongs krush have similar times. I guess just try and match them even though breeders times are off.

MissinThe90’sStrains said:

For your situation, I think you’d have the best luck trying to find clones if at all possible. Pheno hunting is very difficult with low plant counts, and investing so much time and a large percentage of your space to growing crap stuff can be heartbreaking when you’re really counting on it. You can control size of plants by training them in veg, not an issue. Taking 2 plants from seed to flower every run will cause you a lot of headaches for how small of a project it seems.

Edit - I run seeds to hunt for keepers, and just hash whatever isn’t good enough to keep/smoke. Repeat process, until a few unique plants are found and then just run clones of those as needed.

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I thought Id never had to look for clones, hearing about the plant virus ordeal and finding shops that do that, I dont think any exist yet around me and mailing that I havent looked into but sounds un-allowed to say the least.

I was just hoping to yield what I can with two big plants which can fill a 2.5x5 canopy maybe with space around them and have low expectations for now, like a pound to press often like every 3-4 months. Sooner the better. Anything more than a pound would be a blessing. Open to receiving less.

Goal is to get a pound easily at some point per 3 months to fully consume my own rosin, no more store runs. 3$ a g instead of 10$ a g of wax.

What would you do, try to perpetuate or just flower both tents and see what I get? Indeed throw autos in the mix for some frequent harvests?

See this is why I made the thread, I had a feeling my setup has some constructive ideas to give to help me. Keep the ideas comin!