Help grow room design!

I have some space in my room that i have measured down to about 12ft by 7ft by 8ft/8.67ft cause the roof declines. I was curious to know what kind of setup could fit it there. Its in a pretty big room i would just enclose it with canvas. Im more interested in a simple grow nothing too fancy so more then likely just do soil. Just need some information as far as lighting/cooling and anything else i may need. Also how many would be sufficient in there i can grow 12... Im open to any ideas tho that are within reason on price but help me keep it simple im by no means professional. If there are simpler ways for hyrdo im open once again but its hard my family will be assisting me with the finances for it. I really appreciate anyone who helps me out with this matter.

Srfresh,

You may want to consider a couple grow tents. This way you could have a veg room and a bloom room.

If you did go with 2 rooms, I would go with a T-5 for veging and a couple small mothers, a flouro grow light for clones, and either 2 - 600 watt lights or 2 - 1000 watt lights for blooming. Whether you go with the 600's or 1000's depends on how well you can extract heat.

I see that you're from the Southwest. Are you from someplace like Phoenix, where it's hotter than hell? Is your house air conditioned? Give me an kidea of what your climate is like...indoors and out, so that we can help you out with your atmosphere controls.

Also, what kind of budget are you looking at?

I believe that soiless mix top fed by hand watering with hydro solution is the easiest and most trouble free way to start out growing. For folks new to growing, Sunshine Mix #4 fed with General Hydroponics 3 part hydro solution is an extremely realiable and very productive combination. I grew with that combo for many years in some pretty big ops without ever having a nutrient or soil problem. Once you work the bugs out of the rest of your grow, you can move up to more high performance growing techniques.

Start thinking about where you can cut a couple 6"-8" holes in your house to allow you to vent outside, or into the attic. Although, since you have a sloped ceiling, you may not have an attic.

Answer the questions and get back either here or via PM. Also, just how much weight would you like to grow?


https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/407048-20-000-watt-medical-grow.html

I live in new mexico northwestern. It gets to about 105 max during summer and i would say in some cases close to 0 in winter. Mostly dry not to humid. Yeah i was considering doing half veg half flower to have a flow. As far as holes in the house go that more then likely wont be an option. Airflow will definitely need to be generated. The room would be on the inside of house even the walls in room would not be exterior walls. currently i have about 2000 thats me personally. Family can be called upon if i can justify it. Also i can put up hard walls to make pest control better but it would be more expensive. Im working as well so i do have some income but i am still limited. I would like a good amount as i enjoy pastries sometimes and those are not exactly effiecient to make =/ As far as the hyrdo grow im definitely interested can you get me more info on it? Thank you for the feedback +rep

keep in mind im not needing to use entire amount of space i just want a good steady supply

Sounds like plenty o' room.

It is alot of space im trying to decide whether or not i should use all of the space or just some. I also have another area thats about 4x4x7 that i can use as well. So im open to suggestions on that as well. I would like either all plants in one stage or half veg half flower.

I'll post a larger reply tomorrow. You don't want half veg/half flower. The veg room should be around 1/3 to 1/4 the size of the bloom room. You have alot of options with that space. Give me a goal of how much you would be real happy with per month. A couple ozs? A pound?

We really need a hole to exhaust some air through. Just air circulation isn't good enough unless the grow is tiny. You can run ducting to an area where you can make a penetration. Typically, an attic is easiest. Think about it...be creative.

You can take a look at our grow to see what can be done with top feeding by hand.


https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/407048-20-000-watt-medical-grow.html

If i could get a pound out of my setup i would be more then happy. And im sure some of my friends would more then thank you for the generosity you would help me provide. I can run it out a nearby skylight outside the specific growroom? I think that would do perfect. Unless can i exhaust it to a different area of the house? cause on the other side of one of the actual walls is the laundry room. and there is just a window there. i could use.

srfresh said:

If i could get a pound out of my setup i would be more then happy. And im sure some of my friends would more then thank you for the generosity you would help me provide. I can run it out a nearby skylight outside the specific growroom? I think that would do perfect. Unless can i exhaust it to a different area of the house? cause on the other side of one of the actual walls is the laundry room. and there is just a window there. i could use.

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your dryer should have a duct to the outside to vent you can use that as a stealth way to exhaust your lights

srfresh said:

If i could get a pound out of my setup i would be more then happy. And im sure some of my friends would more then thank you for the generosity you would help me provide. I can run it out a nearby skylight outside the specific growroom? I think that would do perfect. Unless can i exhaust it to a different area of the house? cause on the other side of one of the actual walls is the laundry room. and there is just a window there. i could use.

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You can easily run ducting to a different area of the house. It would be best to eventually have the duct lead to the outside. Otherwise you just heat up the whole house. A dryer duct will be too small. Ideally, you would use a single 8" duct. One 6" duct would be used for each room. These two ducts would tie into a single 8" duct and an 8" inline fan. This 8" duct would then be routed to the closest place possible to exit the house. Odor would be controlled by a carbon filter in the bloom room.

With a budget of around $3,000, and using all of your space, you could easily produce 1lb/month. Keep in mind, this is a big commitment. Someone needs to tend to the plants every single day of the year. You'll also need a friend or family member that you trust to be able to tend to the plants should you not be able to (car accident, vacation, etc...) Once you get your routine down, it will take less than 1hr per day. This would be using a veg room and a flower room.

The next thing you need to check is available electricity. You will need two 20 amp circuits available for just the grow. You may need to get creative with getting the power to the grow area. I have no problem with running an extension cord from a different area of the house IF the cord is 10 gauge, secured in place, and not visable to arouse suspicion from guests. It is also possible to install the ballasts in a different area where power is avaiable and purchase extra long cords running from the ballasts to the reflector. Can you check out your electrical sittuation with confidence? I don't mean to insult you...I just don't know what your skill set is in these matters. On that subject, how's your construction skills? What do you currently do for a living? The reason I ask is because if you're a commercial building contractor with 20 years experience, we'll build it one way. If you're an accountant who doesn't own a screwdriver, we'll build it differently.

Let's talk security. What's the legal status of medical marijuana in your state? Do you live alone? Is your house fairly private? Is your next door neighbor a DEA agent? Can you honestly do this without telling ANYONE except the 1 or 2 people (who you trust with your life) you may need to help with construction and plant care?

Is there a hydroponic store close to where you live?

Let me know the answers to the questions. I'm happy to help you if you're serious about really doing this. Not to be a dick, but I just don't want to waste a bunch of time walking you through this if you're not passionate about it and ready to rock and roll. I've helped dozens of people with building and maintaining grow ops because I've gotten so much satisfaction growing over the years. Once the grow bug bites you, chances are you'll be a grower for the rest of your life. If you really want to do this, I'll be happy to give you a shopping list, guide you through the construction, and help you get up and running.

Ok cool well i beleive i can do an overhead on the ducting. And run it out skylight just take the window off and set that system up. otherwise it would run across my room. I understand what it is im going to be doing. I do have a very good relative that can tend to everything if i ever must take a leave.

Ok and i also just checked my breaker and the room i am in has a 50 amp circuit i believe. The circuit was labeled "Hot Tub" And im living in what used to be the hot tub room. So from what im understanding if everything is correct in this room i have a 50 amp circuit. Which should be from what you said fine for the grow. And should still be ok for my everyday living stuff. I am retailer. But i come from a family with a very broad background and have some background in minor construction etc... Im confident i can build something with the right materials and tools if thats what your asking I do not personally own many tools but i do have access to a very good selection so im sure i will be ok with whats in store as long as it dont get too technical.

I live in new mexico. Here is a link to current marijuana laws/punishments. http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4553 I do not live alone i do have roomates who know i smoke and smoke as well. I have almost my own seperate house attatched to theirs. I have a door seperating my space and theirs. Currently it is not secure but all it needs is a lock and its fine. My house is off of a highway but set back a bit behind trees, shrubery, fence, etc... private property. To the best of my knowledge the folks who own a lil race car business next door are not dea agents. and on the other side of me is a rv park which is owned by my landlord There is only one person who will know what exactly is going on and that will be my brother. He is helping out alot financially. My roomates will need to be notified cause it would not be wise to just start setting up something like that without her permission. She knows i talk about it. Once i committ i will take her to the side and let her know we need to be more cautious and not let anyone know or for that matter anywhere near whats in my room.

Yes there is a store nearby where i live. I have not been in there in a couple years so im not sure what they have anymore but i will definitely go take a peep tomorrow.

I understand with you being up front and all its your time of course you would not like to waste it. Im very interested in growing im considering going to college for botany thru my work. They will pay for it. I know its hard for me to do this without support but its something i really want to do and i have my family support. And well with some help along the way it definitely raises my confidence level there is alot that will be going on. Lets go ahead and start looking and what we need to get prepped and setup.

Also bringing back the circuit on the actual breaker it says 50A to my room. But when i flip it the power dont go off or anything im not sure. How can i find out and know for sure?

Oh and then i have found the connection that the hottub must have been attatched too but there are no sockets on it someone removed the thing it would need to be like reinstalled but im pretty sure thats it and it was quite a bit larger then the other sockets from the looks of it.

Right on. Everything sounds really good. Your brother is a good idea for backup.

The 50amp circuit is fantastic news. Now, we have to get that into a usable settup. I'm not really clean on what exactly remains of that circuit. Could you either descibe it more detail, or take a pic? Also, a pic of the proposed grow space may be helpful. Make sure to remove anything that could reveal where the grow is.

BTW, there will be some noise from the fans. Will this be a problem with your roomates?

Could you give me exact measurements of the proposed grow space?

We're ready to move ahead. This should be fun. Where do you plan to get your seeds/clones?

hey collective, ill be starting a basement grow from scratch in about a month or so.... will you help me out on it? you seem to know your shit.

mixmaster1314 said:

hey collective, ill be starting a basement grow from scratch in about a month or so.... will you help me out on it? you seem to know your shit.

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Sure. Let's do it via PM. What's the size of the space? What's your budget? How much do you want to yield per month? What state are you in? Just Pm me.

Yeah me and him are close and hes the man for the job. Also i know the circuit is existing all i need to do now is get it usable for our purpose. Also I'm by no means an electrician... But however i have very good news I have an old timer friend thats a lifetime electrician. He has offered assistance with any electrical things. He is almost family and very trustworthy so im not going to fret about him.

All i would need is to get any higher amp outlets hooked up. If i need them.

As for the fans my roomates are across the house so the fans wont bother anyone but me more then likely haha. The measurements are 12ft wide 7ft across lower part of ceiling is 8ft and the higher part is 8.67ft or 104" I included a decent pic it was tough to get with my phone.

And by the way I am very well considering actually putting up a quick easy wall to make it a more secure room. I know this would add to the budget but security is a must. So we need to get the best deals possible. All the work for walls would be done by me and my brother. I think we should be able to personally handle alot of this stuff. I hope. (Measurements would be after walls were put up and door would open out.)

I never got a chance to run to the store to check it out but its definitely on my list. Im going to need seeds i find it very unlikely that i can attain clones. Im not sure where to go i seen RIU sites but the selection is not exactly broad i would like a few different strains if possible but otherwise 1 or 2 will suffice. Yeah this is definitely going to be a nice project to get setup. And Im still thinking the skylight is going to be best way to exhaust it will just require some sort of fixture to replace the skylight. Its not a huge window but big enough for 8" holes easy

Sr Fresh,

Build a wall, for sure. It will make for a better grow room, as well as being more secure. If you ever want a sealed room CO2 grow, you'll be ready for it.

The electrical looks bad ass. Those big wires tell me you have PLENTY of amps. All you need is for your electrician to install a circuit breaker panel. If he says you have the amps, install 4 - 20 amp circuits. Run those to 8 outlets in the room...2 outlets for every circuit. This will give you room for expansion.

Tell me about the other room you have. I'm thinking we may be able to use the small space for a veg room and the entire big space for blooming. With you power and that much space, you could produce some great yield. Maybe I'm getting too greedy on your behalf. Let me know your long term plans for the grow. Any thoughts on a future career change?

Ok, yeah i figured the wall was a definite must. So if that circuit is indeed a 50 amp circuit i need to have him install 4 of the 20 amp outlets? seems a bit much. As for expansion thats the biggest area possible it can be.

The other room i have is about 4Lx4W and rough estimate 7ft sloping to 6 1/2. Dont have a tape measurer atm to measure it. That one is right next to the circuit breaker.

I definitely dont want the grow to be there forever cause im renting. The room being built would add value too the house in creating an additional room. So she is ok with that especially for that reason. I plan on sticking within my company that is for sure. Not going to name it but I really enjoy working with them. But with the economy I just cant afford to buy anymore and this is only solution that will benefit me long term.

So the grow will definitely need to be able to be moved. That way when I get my own place I can work something else out.

I was also having a chat with my brother and was talking about the budget and what not and he felt a bit concerned that it was a bit much to invest into. He suggested something slightly smaller. Is there a possibility of using the small area as a veg only and then build like lets say a "Large Closet" for blooming. I really need him as my go to guy so I dont want him to be outside his comfort zone as about 40% of the money invested will be his. I understand where hes coming from cause i am by no means experienced in growing. So if I need to wait till I get my own place to go larger then I can. But i definitely want to get started and have a regular flow coming in. If i was to use the 4x4 for veg then Would a 4x8x8 "Closet" be a very suitable grow still? Im sure I would lose some yield but would I still be looking sufficient on my yield?

Really appreciate your thoughts on everything I just dont want to mess up a very expensive operation do to a beginner mistake so Is my thoughts on that ok as well? Something slightly smaller would provide me a very nice experience boost for a larger operation. Bottom line is if i dont have him i lose half of my investment which is a problem cause then I would need to save or get a loan...

In all though im just considering all the options sometimes bigger isnt always better aye? Help me find a suitable solution. Im sure a Closet style grow he would be much happier with then a whole room grow hehe.

Thanks for your help Collective

Sr Fresh,

I have to apologize for pushing big big BIG. It's just my nature.

A 4 x 4 veg room and a 4 x 8 bloom room will work just fine. In fact, that's a perfect size to develope your skills. Can we somehow add a 1 foot by 4 foot shelf in the veg room for rooting clones? That would complete a nice balanced space.

Here's what I'm thinking for lighting:

1 - 48" flourecent light with 2 grow bulbs for rooting clones. This light and the bulbs can be purchased at Home Depot. It works just as good for rooting clones as more expensive lights.
2 - 24" x 48" T-5 lights for vegetating and a couple small mother plants. You can start with 1 for a couple crop cycles.
2 - 1000 watt HPS lights with dimmable Phantom ballasts. I would just use CAP air cooled reflectors with these. They're inexpensive and effective. Again, you can start with 1 light.

This light settup will draw just under 30 amps. Figure another 20 amps (to be safe) for the rest of the gear (fans, maybe a small dehumidifier). So, 2 - 15 amp circuits and a 20 amp circuit.

I'm envisioning a 4 x 8 tray for the bloom room. You will need enough room to walk the length of the tray to service the plants. Do you have room for this?

Let me know if this is more realistic for you. With some experience and a good strain, this grow settup could yield you 2 lbs a month! That should keep you and a couple dozen friends very happy. If you start with one light and make some typical beginners errors (we all made em), you'll still get AT LEAST 4 ozs/month. You'll probably get more, but everyone's first crop is different.

What do you think?

BTW, I posted some more pics today on our thread. You can see why I'm always wanting to go big. Go to last page.

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/407048-20-000-watt-medical-grow.html

Its ok it can definitely pay to be ambitious you know... And I just happen to be in luck that room is 65"x58"x with a high of highest 94" and lowest 87" thats gonna be the vegetation room its perfect size for clones too!!!

Ok and For the bloomroom i was thinking either do 5x8 room or a 4x9 so i can have some extra space to work around em. I personally think a 5x8 room would be most suitable. Cause that would give me an additional foot to walk the length of room like you said. Where as a 4x9 would allow me to walk in between 2 4x4 flowering plants which with the bushiness may be slightly hard. I know this may be a bit more difficult for you but can you explain the need of what im getting besides the obvious like the lights. Im asking about ballasts and why a particular one over another I really like the air reflectors though they look perfect. I was looking at 8" ones correct? After pricing it out online it seemed to be about 1300 without home depot setup. Can you cross reference that and check for me as well? I was looking at getting the 8 bulb T5 it was 2.75"x24"x46.5" with the bulbs. I want to do both lights if I have the room you know? But the lighting definitely sounds good and about right from what I have read and know.

Also since that space is open with my shower room im guessing it would be wise to put up a wall there and a door that opens out. This is for the veg room... Just so that way the humidity doesnt mess with anything or the rise in temp from shower im not sure just thinking out loud. Also there is a permanent closed window there I could easily black it out or block light. Even further tho inside the veg room is a vent that goes outside kinda like a heater vent i could use it or seal it either would work.

This is sounding much better and he seems much more interested. I was wanting to get my buddy over here and ask him about those circuits and what not. Before I get the materials to actually start the walls. I would like to figure it all out before I start getting stuff lol I know I dont need hps and stuff immediately which is relieving. I would definitely like to figure out the ducting for the bloomroom I really think the skylight would be best option since its kinda broken and leaks and needs replaced otherwise tho there is a vent that goes up and onto the vent system on top of house (whch i dont think works) Anyways thought that vent i measured it and it is 16"x9" I was thinking an 8" duct and a 6" duct would work possibly even 2 eights depending on the actual size without vent thingy on. However, with the skylight it is 45.5"x21" so it is substantially larger and would support all the exhaust. All i would need to do is remove skylight fixture and replace with the ducts and make a fixture for them and seal it. I personally think that may be much much simpler.
These plans are getting much better cant wait for some more feedback on this.

BTW your grow is just absolutely massive