Great plan! I'm interested to know how she finishes. Keep me posted???I'm hydro. I won't be flushing BECAUSE the plants aren't taking any nutes right now. They're just drinking water. I haven't added nutes in almost two weeks. I just top off with water and the ppms have remained exactly the same. Since I know they're only drinking water, and less and less of this, too, they're sort of flushing themselves. Leaves are yellowing, but not in a nute-burn way. It's different. So I think they're just at the end of their life span, and this is their final stage. Sad for them, good for me.
Initially I had thought I'd drop the nutes down from 800ppm to 600ppm, then to 400, and maybe less since some people recommend that, but they're not taking them anyway, so I think it's a moot issue. I was on the fence about a true flush (changing the res to pure water) but I've read enough arguments that it's not necessary that I finally decided not to do it.
So right now I'm just riding this out as is...no more adding nutes, but I'm not going to take away what's there. Today marks the end of 7 weeks of flower, so I probably have another week or so.
Help! Did My Plant go Hermie????
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sworth
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Excellent opinion on the pointlessness of pre-harvest flushing! (But it would be; cos that was my opinion as well
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The plant just stops eating, so flushing is like refusing food to someone on hunger strike.
You will have to join one of the regular, degenerating, threads on the topic when one appears! lol!
Should feed a troll or two....
Everyone's grow doing nicely...
)The plant just stops eating, so flushing is like refusing food to someone on hunger strike.
You will have to join one of the regular, degenerating, threads on the topic when one appears! lol!
Should feed a troll or two....
Everyone's grow doing nicely...
jpeg666
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I agree with everyone, You are in the clear! Probably just a genetic deformation. Some of my plants get fat ball looking lumps at the nodes of the main trunk. that is what yours look like but developing right under the calyx so it gives the illusion of the calyx looking like a ball.
jpeg666
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Why not be safe and go by the widely accepted procedure of flushing with clean water? What if something happens and they do decide to start eating? then you are screwed you would have to wait longer to flush again.I'm hydro. I won't be flushing BECAUSE the plants aren't taking any nutes right now. They're just drinking water. I haven't added nutes in almost two weeks. I just top off with water and the ppms have remained exactly the same. Since I know they're only drinking water, and less and less of this, too, they're sort of flushing themselves. Leaves are yellowing, but not in a nute-burn way. It's different. So I think they're just at the end of their life span, and this is their final stage. Sad for them, good for me.
Initially I had thought I'd drop the nutes down from 800ppm to 600ppm, then to 400, and maybe less since some people recommend that, but they're not taking them anyway, so I think it's a moot issue. I was on the fence about a true flush (changing the res to pure water) but I've read enough arguments that it's not necessary that I finally decided not to do it.
So right now I'm just riding this out as is...no more adding nutes, but I'm not going to take away what's there. Today marks the end of 7 weeks of flower, so I probably have another week or so.
Also flushing solution work great without harming the plant or buds, I am sure you know. They are great and breaking down bonded nutrients on roots and in your res.
Thanks for co-signing. I've been looking for the bananas and so far so good. Still checking everyday.
Flushing solution??? 1st knowledge to the newbie. Can you recommend or name some products. I'd like to look into. Thanks. I am seeing some slight amber on the buds at the end of week 5. Waiting on them to swell up but its like watching paint dry. She seems to be drinking about a 1/2 gallon of water a day but the ppm hasn't changed. I need to see some progress. Thinking of following Kryptoniteglo's lead and just replenish water and nutes til I reach the end of 6-7 weeks then just top off water only from then on. Still looking for best approach. flushing solution might be the way....
Decisions, decisions, decisions.....
dimebong
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Are you pointing out the swollen calyx? I've had a plant produce tiny little seeds in preflowers that never developed. Found them at week 2, and 3 weeks later they were the same
tiny size and soft; They should have been fully developed by then. No signs of male flowers or nanas anywhere. It's still a mystery to me.
My current plant has preflowers that are so much bigger than calyxes on the buds that you'd think they
have a seed but they're empty.
You can take off a preflower and check, it won't cause any harm. I took off heaps and checked
tiny size and soft; They should have been fully developed by then. No signs of male flowers or nanas anywhere. It's still a mystery to me.
My current plant has preflowers that are so much bigger than calyxes on the buds that you'd think they
have a seed but they're empty.
You can take off a preflower and check, it won't cause any harm. I took off heaps and checked
sworth
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I may just need a diagram outlining all the plants parts to keep up with you gurus??? #botany101#
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kryptoniteglo
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This is my first harvest, so I have to accept a certain amount of experimentation as I figure out what is normal in growing and what isn't. I'll be very surprised if they start taking up the nutes again, just because of the way they're systematically yellowing even though nutes have been available to them -- I think these girls are done. But, hey, I've been surprised before, so it could happen!
And I did use a flushing solution some time ago because there was some concern about lockout, and I agree it's very effective in cleaning out the root system and there's no harm in it. Since I'm hydro, the flushing works in something like 24 hours (I believe), so if I change my mind -- or if they start taking up nutes again -- I can always move to that a day or two before harvest or if I think something's amiss.
And I have a second problem, almost an embarrassment of riches. My plants outgrew my first tent, so I got a bigger one without really thinking about what that meant. Now one of these two plants in particular is too large, heavy and unwieldy for me to change the res by myself. I topped early for four main colas, and all these branches and stems are precariously intertwined, holding each other up, as well as leaning against the tent walls. I fear the movement of pulling the bucket out of the tent and now leaving the branches unsupported will result in a catastrophe as the branches pull apart and fall over. They're far more delicate in that sense than I would have imagined.
So when I add it all up, I see more risk in trying to change the res right now than in letting it ride. Hopefully it'll all work out.
kryptoniteglo
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I used FloraKleen -- and I do think it does the trick in 24-48 hours for hydro, so you can always do it at the end if you feel so inclined.
Also, there is some argument that the root system absorbs the nutrient solution, but what the bud gets has already been converted by the plant, so nutes never reach the bud. I don't know enough about this personally to promote or defend this with any authority, but the argument is out there.
jpeg666
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Hopefully you find the big girl more of a blessing than a curse. I've learned much in this thread. Shorter flush time for hydro, products, sexing, etc. What are your (everyone here) thoughts on the 36-48hrs of darkness before harvesting and how does that work if you take the top colas 1st to allow more time for the lower flowers? Thanks again for all participating in the forum. Much respect!
kryptoniteglo
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Considering this is my first harvest, I'm MORE than happy with the results. I learned as much as I could and tried not to bite off more than I could chew at any one time. In general people recommend first grows be in soil, because of the attention hydro requires. But hydro was easy for me; it just suits my personality. Plus I'm growing in my living room and I didn't want to deal with the mess of soil inside. Plus I've killed every soil plant I've ever tended. So it was either hydro or nothing.
Now my two plants fill my 3x3x6.5 tent. Here's a photo of one cola from this weekend:
There are things I will do differently on the next one, such as flip a little earlier if I run the same strain. They increased 2.5-3x in the stretch. I'd rather keep them a little smaller and confine them to the smaller tent. A seed-to-cure jar grow is such a time commitment that it's hard to give up 3x3 of a 12x14 studio apartment for that long!
My next strain will be a little more to the indica side.
kryptoniteglo
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^^^^Oh, and to answer your question -- I don't have an opinion on the extra darkness issue. I'm just going straight 12/12 until harvest day. I also don't have an opinion on harvesting in the morning or at night. I'll be doing it mid-morning, as that's when I'll have the time to chop and do a first trim before hanging the whole plant to dry. I'll actually be harvesting one a week or two later than the first, because she's just that far behind. She was a week younger when I flipped and took an additional 4 days to show female, so she's a little slower. Her pistils have just started to go orange, and you can see in the photo above that her sister is well on her way...
LeafGnosis
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disclaimer: this is just my observation, but it appears early stage Hermies will have ball sacks (alone or in clusters) and late stage Hermies will have 'nanners' more a banana shape and yellow color rather than green... please someone correct me if I am wrong.
DonPepe
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man i had a great, late flower hermi a few days ago. I wish i had snapped some pics.
the give away, if your trying to catch them early, is small lime green/yellow nanners, for lack of a better word, sticking out of the bud. they/it will look similar to a small bud leaf (up to 3/16") but will have no trics and will be oddly colored normally. The will appear to be, normally, 3 small bananas stuck together and maybe slightly curved. These late stage male flowers develop and drop pollen very quickly, it helps to remove them but it is often to too late. I have now learned my lesson on growing multiple strains in the same grow room.
the give away, if your trying to catch them early, is small lime green/yellow nanners, for lack of a better word, sticking out of the bud. they/it will look similar to a small bud leaf (up to 3/16") but will have no trics and will be oddly colored normally. The will appear to be, normally, 3 small bananas stuck together and maybe slightly curved. These late stage male flowers develop and drop pollen very quickly, it helps to remove them but it is often to too late. I have now learned my lesson on growing multiple strains in the same grow room.