help choosing a new nute line for my rooms

hello all!

So basically iv been running a 3 room perpetual. one room for vegging moms and rooted clones while the other two rooms are always 12/12 with staggered harvests a month apart.

I have been using floranova line and have been reasonably happy with the results. the ph buffer and one part feature are both wonderful. However, I am finding its thick gooey consistency to be a problem. The pumps' prefilters get full of muck and the rez develops a brown film over a few weeks. I run a sterile rez so doubt its anything alive. My hunch is that the organic additive in the nova gives it the thick mucky feel is to blame.

I really wanna know what experienced hydro heads have in terms of suggestions. I was thinking of using lucas (basically same as nova without the organic additives) or possibly a whole new line that I am not familiar with. I want to continue with sterile rez conditions and weekly rez changes with nothing but topping off during the week with relatively minimal ph drift. a one part would be prefered but i could deal with a two or three part line if the ph is stable and the results fix my problem.

I am so fucking sick of cleaning pumps, rez lining and prefilters of this shit!

a big thanks in advance

blue planet nutrients are pretty good and inexpensive so if you dont like them you wouldnt be losing much. check em out. I dont run hydro though so i wouldnt be able to help you on that. but im pretty sure youll like them. Pretty simple formula and they have a 2 part and 3 part with a couple additives if you want but dont have to get.

thanks for the suggestion hadnt hard of them before.

ill be digging through reviews and product data tonight. is it a thin translucent type of nutrient? im really afraid to use anything thick and opaque like the nova after all my headaches

cheers

Someone recommended to me dyna grow a while back. Maybe it'll do you great

I have heard great things from Botanicare's line of supplements and nutes. I am personally choosing them for my grow soon. There line of products seems very professional. Though they are quite pricey. I apologize if I can't be much help but there Pure Blend Pro series seems one of the top leading hydroponic products on the market. That is just the surface of their vast amounts of supplements and nutes. They have a wide selection to fit any grow it seems. Perhaps research about them a little. I hope i helped lol. :] Good luck on whatever you choose my friend.

@BSD have you used it with great success in a hydro run?

Zelzeim said:

I have heard great things from Botanicare's line of supplements and nutes. I am personally choosing them for my grow soon. There line of products seems very professional. Though they are quite pricey. I apologize if I can't be much help but there Pure Blend Pro series seems one of the top leading hydroponic products on the market. That is just the surface of their vast amounts of supplements and nutes. They have a wide selection to fit any grow it seems. Perhaps research about them a little. I hope i helped lol. :] Good luck on whatever you choose my friend.

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i used PBP in my soil grows for years. unfortunately, it aint cheap as you stated and its quite dilute. if i were to use it to mix up almost 300 gallons of rez per week id go broke and be going through ALOT of volume in nutes. thats alot of heavy ass jugs to be moving lol

thanks for your input though

Myles117 said:

i used PBP in my soil grows for years. unfortunately, it aint cheap as you stated and its quite dilute. if i were to use it to mix up almost 300 gallons of rez per week id go broke and be going through ALOT of volume in nutes. thats alot of heavy ass jugs to be moving lol

thanks for your input though

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No problem at all I like to help. I see your point it sound like your operation is quite large. Mine is on such a scale that it wont take a huge dent out of the wallet. haha I do hope you can find a brand that is cost effective and suits all your growing needs bud. Best of luck with everything!

yeah, ebb n flo tables require some major rez volumes lol. especially once they are in mid flower sucking up 10-15 gallons a day!

the nova seems expensive but its so concentrated, a 2.5 gal jug lasted me a few months.

maybe i should start looking at dry nutrients.... just always stayed away cuz mixing sounds like a headache.

Myles117 said:

yeah, ebb n flo tables require some major rez volumes lol. especially once they are in mid flower sucking up 10-15 gallons a day!

the nova seems expensive but its so concentrated, a 2.5 gal jug lasted me a few months.

maybe i should start looking at dry nutrients.... just always stayed away cuz mixing sounds like a headache.

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A headache and backache to boot! I watched an amateur grower documentary a few days ago and a guy was working 70 Hours a week with his plants just mixing nutes and separating volumes, potting etc. It was crazy haha Just like your plants sucking up all that water and nutes. incredible.

main reason i love the simplicity of a one part line and avoid most additives. it can consume your hours and funds in no time. i spend more time pumping the old nutes out and filling the rez's than i do mixing the nutes

Myles117 said:

@BSD have you used it with great success in a hydro run?

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I do soil. But I have been suggested when I want to switch to hydro use dyna gro. Good price for performance.

Sorry for the late response but its very thin like most nutes are. Dyna is another really good one. Ph might not be as stable as other nutes but its 2 bottles one for veg one for flower and maybe some silica or cal mag needed that they have too.

I like bpn because its good, potent nutes for cheap. Nutes take such little money to make per gallon and people charge so much for it.

let me know if you want some links. All but the 1 grow journal ive done has bpn as my nutes

Go with Botanicare the first time and don't look back. Dyna-gro and all those other's are snake oils or just chemically made. Botanicare is organic based and most products are OMRI listed. I grow for taste, smell and appearance. While chemicals can get you weight and appearance I don't think they can compare to the smell and taste of an organically grown plant.

Why would I want to use chemicals to grow and have to starve my plants the last two weeks in order to flush all that shit out before smoking and tasting it. I just stick with organics and feed with carbs up until the end with little nutes. This way your not starving your plant and stressing it out in its last two weeks of growth and swelling.

Everyone wants simplicity and all this other easy ways out. Well if growing was meant to be easy everyone would do it. Those of us that do the work end up with a reward in the end.

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Go with Botanicare the first time and don't look back. Dyna-gro and all those other's are snake oils or just chemically made. Botanicare is organic based and most products are OMRI listed. I grow for taste, smell and appearance. While chemicals can get you weight and appearance I don't think they can compare to the smell and taste of an organically grown plant.

Why would I want to use chemicals to grow and have to starve my plants the last two weeks in order to flush all that shit out before smoking and tasting it. I just stick with organics and feed with carbs up until the end with little nutes. This way your not starving your plant and stressing it out in its last two weeks of growth and swelling.

Everyone wants simplicity and all this other easy ways out. Well if growing was meant to be easy everyone would do it. Those of us that do the work end up with a reward in the end.

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Theyre all chemicals or "precursors" that need to be broken down into the same chemicals and all turn into the same thing. Organic vs "synth" or salt based nutes all break down to the same things. Especially for hydro its much easier using synth and keeping it sterile and not have to worry about clogging shit up.

Saying dyna gro is snake oil is ridiculous.... Dyna gro is what "snake oil hating" people say is all you need.

Please educate yourself fully on nutrients before you blindly lead people down the wrong path based on opinion.


There is also no need to flush. The "chemicals" you taste are from not properly dried/cured buds. HAppens no matter organic or synthetic.

This is from myself, someone whos grown with dyna, bpn, botanicare, organic bpn, and a few others. Theyre all the same. give or take the ratios.

Growing is the easiest thing in the world, you can throw down seeds outside and itll prosper. Wont be the best but with nothing but rain it will prosper. Many people dont want the risk or think its more complicated than it is.

Look up anything UB has done. Miracle grow, jacks classic, all cheap ass complete simple nutes and get you results equal to AN or super soil.

re-read my post before talking. I have grown with both jack ass. I dry my plants just fine. Like I said no point in arguing. Keep growing with your chemicals. Botanicare is organic based read the msds. blast off and some other nutrients they have are not organic based and they tell you.

No different than eating fresh fruits like watermelon that is fresh during the summer and grown naturally where as you go and taste a out of season fruit particularly watermelon you can tell the difference. For those of you who cant taste the difference between organic and chemically grown bud that's to bad for you is all. I know I can tell the difference in a lot of the weeds I smoke.

Its all drying/curing/genetics. The nutes put in dont mean shit. Botanicare is a mix of organic and non organic sometimes in the same bottle. Some are omri some arent. You stated that above. Not discrediting your use, just discrediting your claims of better this or worse that.

Theyre all the same in the end though. Thats all im arguing, and that theres no taste difference in organic and non unless something was messed up while growing like ph or a tox/def of a certain nute.

Ive grown multiple strains with both types and saw no difference other than the process of feeding them. Side by side comparisons. Same yield, same frostiness, same flavor, same high.

Its like when people compain about outdoor vs indoor. Granted most people struggle with outdoor growing.

If you know how to grow (not saying you dont) you can use anything from animal shit to raw chemical salts that you dissolve into water one at a time and get the same results.

Nicely said. I still have to argue my point. lol. So what would you use for a carb that is synthetic ? Do you not back off the last two weeks and feed them more carbs rather than p and k and absolutely no n ?

I use molasses. Its not about me using or not using synth vs organic. A good mix of multiple items from different lines of nutes is usually the best.

I feed until a few days before i put them in dark. Only reason i stop is so they dry out before the dark to discourage any high humidity/mold.

Ill use humic/vulvics once or twice a month from left over organic bpn stock just to see how the plants react (some like it, for some its too much) as well as snow storm ultra from HCO which is very far from organic haha. Ive used that "snake oil" as some call it since i first tested it out and havent stopped since.


Flavor has been the same, potency as well. Yield may increase as the grows go on due to learning the plant and what it likes vs others.

I grow with clones so once i have a mother i dial her in. Experiment with different stuff from left over supplies or new products ive heard help. See what i can and cant get away with while still producing the same end product.


I used to think there was a difference as well and i used to flush. Ive stopped both due to my own "scientific" tests. haha. I use that term very loosely.

But basically i did the side by side. organic vs non. Even made by the same company bpn. Same results with the same strain from the same momma.

The problem is over feeding and general lack of knowledge. Most people cut all or most N in the beginning of flower because along the way someone said "plants dont use N as much in flower" and someone took it as "plants hate N in flower"

I keep my plants green until the day i chop. Usually the 3 days in dark will bring out any fall colors haha.

I love botanicare. I use there calmag when necessary, i love dyna, very simple if you just wanna grow some shit out and learn the basics of nute def/tox definition. I love bpn, quality nutes for a good price, HCO as well they know what theyre doing.

In the end theyre all the same and all do the same things. Some better than others (same product different brand) and some more expensive than others.

Yeah I'm not a flushing type of guy either. I run grow nutrients right up until the end of the two week stretch. Replacing the grow with flower nutes little by little until the beginning of the third week where I don't use any more grow just bloom and the bloom still has nitrogen in it as well.

As for the drying them out and dark I do the same thing but I just won't water them while their in the darkness for 36hrs.

Only thing I wanted to ask or point out is that I heard that snow storm isn't supposed to be good for you ? Ive never used it and stayed away from it at that point. I try to use the least amount possible before trying to add is booster's and what not. Not to say I don't use one now.

I am actually running Green Planet's Massive because it once again is organic based from bee's wax and is supposed to be much a like Canna's Boost but for probably 1/4 of the price. It contains triancontol I believe its spelled which is a naturally found chemical that supposed to increase nutrient uptake. It's found in alfalfa hay and bee's wax for a couple.