++Hellraizers++ DO AND DONTs and in and outs of the ebb&grow/ebb&flow systems

legallyflying

legallyflying

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Not to answer for hello sizer (that is your name now because my phone insists on calling you that)

I'm general it's best to have a very smooth transition into flowering. For the first week post flip I'm running standard veg nutes. Then I top off with flower nutes through week 2. Then I typically hit them with phoshoload and dump everything a day later.

MJ needs ALLOT of nitrogen, especially during the stretch. It will use it all and stock it up. Nitrogen isn't the death blow to flower production and yield, one could argue that making the plant scavenge nitrogen is more detrimental. I hold this theory tht your nitrogen concentrations in weeks 1-3 will dictate when your lowers start dropping. I use PBP cal mag pretty much till week 6 and it has decent N levels. Then I really cut everything down in week 6 and hit them with MOAB and light base nutes (and liquid karma).

Anywho..
Flip to 12/12 slowly transition away from veg nutes, keep your MH bulbs in and your night time temperature up. Then go full on flower mode in week 3.

Or at least that is my 2 cents from all the reading I've done and data I have collected
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

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akpaco said:
Thanks HR

Do you use the veg into the second week of 12/12 as they recommend? Thanks as always!! When you coming home?
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They claim it helps but I'm not using it.
at some point I will test there theory
and validate legals thoughts on it to.
 
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akpaco

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All input is appreciated!! I've usually switched to 12/12 and switched my nutes right away.. Haven't had any problems. Although the theory makes sense and I've read that a little extra N in flower doesn't hurt.
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

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georgeforeman said:
alright, got my 4x4x4 cubes transplanted into the ebb and grow with mini cubes. Everything look right? The cubes go about 2" above the flood level.
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I set the 4x4 cube about 1 in from the top of the bucket, giving lots of room for root development
and theres no worrie cause growdan wicks real good. I would move them up a bit
 
georgeforeman

georgeforeman

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hellraizer30 said:
I set the 4x4 cube about 1 in from the top of the bucket, giving lots of room for root development
and theres no worrie cause growdan wicks real good. I would move them up a bit
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do you have your buckets above the floor? i keep my on 2x4 for better drainage, so i am losing 1.5" of flood height.
so far, the rockwool stays a lot heavier than the sure to grow. I am flooding every 12 hrs.
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

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georgeforeman said:
do you have your buckets above the floor? i keep my on 2x4 for better drainage, so i am losing 1.5" of flood height.
so far, the rockwool stays a lot heavier than the sure to grow. I am flooding every 12 hrs.
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Yes buckets are raised, but remember this even though you loose flood hiegth you dont need
to plant low! Why cause growdan wicks so good, and will soak to the top.
 
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BLOCKER

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hey guys i've read the full thread,

first time grow ive made some huge mistakes..

I have 6 plants in ebb n flood buckets, the clones were 2 inches big in 1 inch rockwool cubes when put in the buckets, the bottom 1/4 of the cubes are below the flood line, when i got them they were starving, so anyway here where i went wrong.

ionic nutes:

1st 2days i didnt add nutes only the green fuse grow thinking they were nutes... at half strength, then relizeing what i'd done i miss calculated the size of my res by double giving the clones full strength nutes for 2 days burning them to a chrisp, whilst waitng for my calibration fluid.. then when it came i reduced it by half, ppm 1200.. this was still a little high but something was still not quit right, i have the nutradip tri meter my ph was reading 5.8, so i thought that was fine but i callibrated any way.. guess what i didnt relize the caps got to come off.. hey 8.0 i could have died..

this is my first grow but boy what the hell happened, its been 2 weeks today since i got them.. ppm 1000 still a little too high i believe, ph 5.8, res temps stable at 19 degrees, 4 plants at 10inches one at 8 inches, the one thats in bad shap at 5 inches..

should my ec be at a constant 1.2 ? as heath has it?, is it worth saving the one that nearly died?, it is 1 inch rockwool/hydroton..

Also my lights on at 6am 15min flood at 8am, 2nd flood 2pm, 3rd flood at 8 pm, they seem to be doing alright.. any advice would be helpful. i will post some pics today.. oh yeh its a 5' x 5' tent, because i was in a rush to set it up i had to keep the brain in the tent because i didnt think of cutting into the bottom of the tent.. will change it next round.. doh
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

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BLOCKER said:
hey guys i've read the full thread,

first time grow ive made some huge mistakes..

I have 6 plants in ebb n flood buckets, the clones were 2 inches big in 1 inch rockwool cubes when put in the buckets, the bottom 1/4 of the cubes are below the flood line, when i got them they were starving, so anyway here where i went wrong.

ionic nutes:

1st 2days i didnt add nutes only the green fuse grow thinking they were nutes... at half strength, then relizeing what i'd done i miss calculated the size of my res by double giving the clones full strength nutes for 2 days burning them to a chrisp, whilst waitng for my calibration fluid.. then when it came i reduced it by half, ppm 1200.. this was still a little high but something was still not quit right, i have the nutradip tri meter my ph was reading 5.8, so i thought that was fine but i callibrated any way.. guess what i didnt relize the caps got to come off.. hey 8.0 i could have died..

this is my first grow but boy what the hell happened, its been 2 weeks today since i got them.. ppm 1000 still a little too high i believe, ph 5.8, res temps stable at 19 degrees, 4 plants at 10inches one at 8 inches, the one thats in bad shap at 5 inches..

should my ec be at a constant 1.2 ? as heath has it?, is it worth saving the one that nearly died?, it is 1 inch rockwool/hydroton..

Also my lights on at 6am 15min flood at 8am, 2nd flood 2pm, 3rd flood at 8 pm, they seem to be doing alright.. any advice would be helpful. i will post some pics today.. oh yeh its a 5' x 5' tent, because i was in a rush to set it up i had to keep the brain in the tent because i didnt think of cutting into the bottom of the tent.. will change it next round.. doh
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Change your flood cycles to evry 4 hr during lights on. Sorry for the rough start man! Dont know much about ionic other
than 1.2 is to high for that size plant, 800ppm to 900 is where i would want it.
 
legallyflying

legallyflying

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1200 PPM holly shit dog!

I'm going to say even lower is better for plants that are that small. I typically stay under 600 until the plants are at least a foot tall. 900 when they are 2-3 feet and before flower. 1000K all the way till week 4, then 2 weeks of 1400 or so.. then drop way down. Like 300 the last 2 weeks.

It varies by plant, but trust me when I say that it is WAY better to underfeed than over feed... as you have found out.
 
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BLOCKER

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well the clones first two days of feed was 2700ppm im really suprised there still alive

thanks guys, yeh i made a right mess of them for sure, ppm at 800 now, feeds every 4hrs during lights on.. im away for 2/3 days so hope everything will be well, all my new growth from the past week is good with a slight tip burn, the old stuff i basically killed is just getting burried by the new growth.. im hard water not sure what my ppm is from that but do i add that on to ppm or take it away?, should my ppm be slightly higher if ppm high from tap water?
 
legallyflying

legallyflying

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You subtract your base water ppm from your actual I still think your way to high Clones need like 300-400 ppm of nutrients
 
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BLOCKER

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so what will happen?, because there is nothing i can do now for 3 days?, will the growth be slow?, im hoping my water is 400ppm
 
legallyflying

legallyflying

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you better not hope your water is 400. Jesus, you would probably have stalagmites coming out of your facuet with that many minerals in your water. LOL
 
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hxvoc

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having an issue with clones not stretching when put in flower. Doing a zero veg op and I thought it was safe to run clones at full strength if you were using HID. Im using maxibloom at 7g per gallon. Only half the clones take off after a week of no growth.
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
hxvoc said:
having an issue with clones not stretching when put in flower. Doing a zero veg op and I thought it was safe to run clones at full strength if you were using HID. Im using maxibloom at 7g per gallon. Only half the clones take off after a week of no growth.
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Are all the plants the same strain? I do zero veg to but look for strains that stretch x2 or x3 time the size at flip!
maxi is a sub par nute and i wouldnt use it in flower!
 
drgreentm

drgreentm

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hxvoc said:
having an issue with clones not stretching when put in flower. Doing a zero veg op and I thought it was safe to run clones at full strength if you were using HID. Im using maxibloom at 7g per gallon. Only half the clones take off after a week of no growth.
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if you have a strain that tends to not stretch much in flower let them veg until first signs of new grow after transplant from cloner, this ensures the first week (stretch period) in flower is not consumed by shocked clones. I had this same problem going into zero veg and found letting the plants recoupe a bit before putting them under 12/12 yielded the best results.
 
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hxvoc

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thanks guys. I am running 2 different strains and it seams like the querkle im running is doing it more than the other. I was just thinking about it being such a slow vegger. I think this is my problem and I may have to do away with the strain for now running zero veg. My other strain is ppp and it seems to do ok but i have to usually burn them a little to keep the nute sucking querkles happy.

@hellraizer. What do you think is so wrong with maxibloom? I thought you were a big fan of the lucas formula. I read the kiss thread and people are having great success with tap water running maxi.

Just gonna run the ppp's next time and seem how they run.
 
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