Helicopter Infrared

landracer

Active Member
so what would you suggest to remain undetected by those bastards !!
dont vent out the chiminey because unless it is 40 out side they are gonna see heat on a warm day and start taking a closer look. the cops dont care if you are growing 15 plants or 1500 they get a notch on their belt and get to keep your house! i never heard of a case dropped because there were too few plants. or maybe cases get thrown out because the buds were low quality?
 

2blunt

Member
I thank god every day because I live in Canada. I grow in my yard every year and have been told that they are not looking for a yard with 5 or six plants because they are to busy
looking for the fields. This is my first in house grow and am not to sure how lax they are about it but I know the big indoor grow ops get busted a lot around here. It is usually because there is a rat in the pack and can't keep their mouth shut. We don't see many small grow ops get busted around here tho.
 

Burger Boss

Well-Known Member
Hey Conor, you really might want to lose the big HID's. CFL's can do a great job now and not nearly as much heat. Plus you save on the electricity. A couple of 250 watt cfl's on the overhead, and 6 or 8 65 watt units around the sides should give you a pretty good light system at less than half the power use.
It's just a thought. Minimize your heat & save some money AND, maybe not go to jail.
Good luck & good grow.......BBbongsmilie
 

Jonus

Well-Known Member
The infrared scans only really work well at night time since the roofs of most houses will be warm during the day. If you are concerned about being scanned, then run your lights during daylight hours....6am-12am for veg and 7am-7pm for flowering. At 7pm the lights go out, and the roof area begins to cool.
 

smppro

Well-Known Member
Hey Conor, you really might want to lose the big HID's. CFL's can do a great job now and not nearly as much heat. Plus you save on the electricity. A couple of 250 watt cfl's on the overhead, and 6 or 8 65 watt units around the sides should give you a pretty good light system at less than half the power use.
It's just a thought. Minimize your heat & save some money AND, maybe not go to jail.
Good luck & good grow.......BBbongsmilie
but along with cutting power in half you are cutting yield in half.
 

landracer

Active Member
The infrared scans only really work well at night time since the roofs of most houses will be warm during the day. If you are concerned about being scanned, then run your lights during daylight hours....6am-12am for veg and 7am-7pm for flowering. At 7pm the lights go out, and the roof area begins to cool.

ir works at any time day or night. but dont take my word. do your homework and see for yourself. my uncle spent four yrs in jail from a scan that took place at 1 pm in the middle of summer.
 

Jonus

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ir works at any time day or night. but dont take my word. do your homework and see for yourself. my uncle spent four yrs in jail from a scan that took place at 1 pm in the middle of summer.
If you are referring to thermal imaging then I would agree it can be used during the day, but not very effectively as there is just too many hot buildings around due to being heated by the sun rather than heat from inside the house.

Thermal is mostly used at night where the temperature differences between hot and cold are radically different unless you live in an area that is under snow. But then again, thermal heat on the outside of a house in the cold....to be expected.

The IR cameras they use though (as in near infrared enhanced imaging) are mostly used to spot weed outside since the lenses are not looking so much at light reflecting from foliage as the human eye sees, but the actual color of the pigment in weed which is quite different to a lot of regular foliage you find in the bush.
 

smppro

Well-Known Member
but the actual color of the pigment in weed which is quite different to a lot of regular foliage you find in the bush.
:confused:never heard this before can you link me to some resources?
 

Jonus

Well-Known Member
Try this at home just so you don't have to take some online resources word on the subject. If you have security cameras at your house that are IR enhanced in order to work during both the day and night, take one of your plants and place it outside beside some of the bush areas and aim your camera at it then go view it thru the monitor and you will see what I am referring to. The color that we refer to as green (as with most color) is a human eye phenomena in that green is a selected mixture of reflected light that our eyes detect. However many animals have eyes that can see a wider spectrum of reflected light than humans, cats are one example. Cameras are often adjusted to match the way the human eye views color whereas in its unadjusted form (as is with the cheapo home surveillance cameras) reflected light from plants are much more washed out and less 'green' than how we see them, and you can quickly see that not all greens are alike.

Your standard home security cameras will show you this, and you should be able to see the slightly different color reflection - more of a lime green color - than the foliage around it. Grown in large clumps outside, these type cameras can pick out grows from the air during the day. On the ground though, the number one weed detector is still the sniffer dog.

Cops are also experimenting with this:
The Canna Copter

Uses the same type of low light enhanced full spectrum lenses in your home security cameras to pick out the different reflective mixture of light coming from leaves. Of course this method will give lots of false positives, but then again they have that sniffer thing on the Cannacopter as well to eliminate the false positives.

Need to find out what freq range those things use from the remote controls and jam the things.
 

ADTR

Well-Known Member
Try this at home just so you don't have to take some online resources word on the subject. If you have security cameras at your house that are IR enhanced in order to work during both the day and night, take one of your plants and place it outside beside some of the bush areas and aim your camera at it then go view it thru the monitor and you will see what I am referring to. The color that we refer to as green (as with most color) is a human eye phenomena in that green is a selected mixture of reflected light that our eyes detect. However many animals have eyes that can see a wider spectrum of reflected light than humans, cats are one example. Cameras are often adjusted to match the way the human eye views color whereas in its unadjusted form (as is with the cheapo home surveillance cameras) reflected light from plants are much more washed out and less 'green' than how we see them, and you can quickly see that not all greens are alike.

Your standard home security cameras will show you this, and you should be able to see the slightly different color reflection - more of a lime green color - than the foliage around it. Grown in large clumps outside, these type cameras can pick out grows from the air during the day. On the ground though, the number one weed detector is still the sniffer dog.

Cops are also experimenting with this:
The Canna Copter

Uses the same type of low light enhanced full spectrum lenses in your home security cameras to pick out the different reflective mixture of light coming from leaves. Of course this method will give lots of false positives, but then again they have that sniffer thing on the Cannacopter as well to eliminate the false positives.

Need to find out what freq range those things use from the remote controls and jam the things.
If you want to render the K-9 Unit useless, take some of your shake/clippings/moldy buds and dry & grind them up good. Then take everything and spread it in your grass and all around your property.
For the inside, take a bag of weed and rub it all over the walls and cabinets and whatnot. That way the dog will alert positives EVERYWHERE. The handler will immediately see this and now you both know that the dog is unusable... Cheers! bongsmilie
 

Jonus

Well-Known Member
Yup spreading the smell around in your section is one way, another is to go drop them shavings down the street all over the grass verges. But the reference to dogs above concerns finding outside grows. Close to harvest time them fields of dreams start to reek.
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
well up here in alaska they dont use ir chopters they use airforce preditors that scan from 9 miles up and with the best IR thermal equiment around. guess
were just fucked
 

amv

Active Member
do they keep that flir system on when they fly in general, i live within 1/2 mile of an airport where local sheriff copter is stationed evrytime that thing flys pasat it scares the shit out of me
 

widow0maker

Active Member
If you want to render the K-9 Unit useless, take some of your shake/clippings/moldy buds and dry & grind them up good. Then take everything and spread it in your grass and all around your property.
For the inside, take a bag of weed and rub it all over the walls and cabinets and whatnot. That way the dog will alert positives EVERYWHERE. The handler will immediately see this and now you both know that the dog is unusable... Cheers! bongsmilie
Wouldn't they just rub a swab on the wall and test for thc or the plant material? If a dog has had a good record and not had any problems I think a red flag might go up for cops when the dog says everything is positive, might make them tear the house apart to look in walls...... Lots of new ways to hide drugs, like cocaine powder being chemically bonded to clothing then unbounded later (yes this is from a movie, but has also appeared in papers in the past few months of methods being used).
 
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