Heisenbeans Genetics

Mr.Head said:

if 35 seeds from 7 packs didn't pop I'd be pissed too.

That said that's a lot of seeds to go wrong over what I assume is multiple strains? I've been out of the loop a while is there other folks with these same problems?

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There have been but I look at most seed germination issues with some skepticism as to why it happened not that it happened.

Seed storage environment, extreme weather conditions during shipping, less than ideal methods of germination and conditions during or the like can all cause issues.

I will say gu has said there are "A grade" batches and "B grade" batches and if he doesn't have fresh A grade readymade he will sell you B grade seeds.

quiescent said:

There have been but I look at most seed germination issues with some skepticism as to why it happened not that it happened.

Seed storage environment, extreme weather conditions during shipping, less than ideal methods of germination and conditions during or the like can all cause issues.

I will say gu has said there are "A grade" batches and "B grade" batches and if he doesn't have fresh A grade readymade he will sell you B grade seeds.

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That's not a problem if the customer is made aware of that up front or like in food a made on or best used before date is on the package and if it isn't it should be sold on sale with that stated .

Heathen Raider said:

That's not a problem if the customer is made aware of that up front or like in food a made on or best used before date is on the package and if it isn't it should be sold on sale with that stated .

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well I must say, I was never made aware of that, and this is the first I've ever heard of that!

quiescent said:

There have been but I look at most seed germination issues with some skepticism as to why it happened not that it happened.

Seed storage environment, extreme weather conditions during shipping, less than ideal methods of germination and conditions during or the like can all cause issues.

I will say gu has said there are "A grade" batches and "B grade" batches and if he doesn't have fresh A grade readymade he will sell you B grade seeds.

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Kushash said:

I can't handle the cock sucking and with the little game being played and the anticipation that will now follow I think following any longer will be painful.

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It is painful, but you get to know the practitioners in a minute, then can sail past those posts. Easy peasy.

CannaBruh said:

You mofos need to lookup what hype means before you quote and respond to me.

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Greenthumbs256 said:

well I must say, I was never made aware of that, and this is the first I've ever heard of that!

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News to me as well but when You buy from big seed banks and not direct from the breeder You could be getting beans that have been on the shelf for a long long time unless it's a new offering

quiescent said:

There have been but I look at most seed germination issues with some skepticism as to why it happened not that it happened.

Seed storage environment, extreme weather conditions during shipping, less than ideal methods of germination and conditions during or the like can all cause issues.

I will say gu has said there are "A grade" batches and "B grade" batches and if he doesn't have fresh A grade readymade he will sell you B grade seeds.

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Heathen Raider said:

That's not a problem if the customer is made aware of that up front or like in food a made on or best used before date is on the package and if it isn't it should be sold on sale with that stated .

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See I don't know how I feel about that.

My thing is as a customer I don't want to pay for a high quality seed and get a "B" graded seed, that's not what I paid for. You can tell me you do it when necessary, but if you don't tell me when you're doing it, does that really matter? Leaves the customer wondering if they have received a A grade or B grade seed, which doesn't exactly instill a lot of trust.

But at the same time if the seed pops and produces a healthy plant what does all this matter?

I always assumed that the auctions were of lower quality "2nds" or "B stock" because no one is selling packs for $25 or less... There's a reason he can let those go for that low.

I've personally have never had an issue with his beans, but also haven't purchased any new ones in years. I will soon though and see for myself. I've always got along with Gu~ think he's a pretty standup guy personally, never really gave me a reason to feel otherwise.

Heathen Raider said:

News to me as well but when You buy from big seed banks and not direct from the breeder You could be getting beans that have been on the shelf for a long long time unless it's a new offering

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That's also a very good point.

There's always been a grade and b grade beans I think. The fucked up scam I hear of now is of folks getting breeder packs and such at these expos, then repackaging them with only one or two actual labeled beans, filling the rest with some viable, some not viable but diff b grade beans, usually homeade. Spread a breeders pack over five packs sales, etc. An IG trick I hear some of the unknowns are doing, just sayin.

hi guys just wanted to say I like a lot of gps strains but many faults in there as well as pure fire. anywho im a big fan of stardawg and cookie strains as my name reflects.. and I am very very excited to see that corey cut in purest form finally as gu uses a kate male. @Heisenbeans what u got in mind on corey cut cross?? as it is one I def will be scooping up as well as that bridezillla if that still the name lol.

Mr.Head said:

See I don't know how I feel about that.

My thing is as a customer I don't want to pay for a high quality seed and get a "B" graded seed, that's not what I paid for. You can tell me you do it when necessary, but if you don't tell me when you're doing it, does that really matter? Leaves the customer wondering if they have received a A grade or B grade seed, which doesn't exactly instill a lot of trust.

But at the same time if the seed pops and produces a healthy plant what does all this matter?

I always assumed that the auctions were of lower quality "2nds" or "B stock" because no one is selling packs for $25 or less... There's a reason he can let those go for that low.

I've personally have never had an issue with his beans, but also haven't purchased any new ones in years. I will soon though and see for myself. I've always got along with Gu~ think he's a pretty standup guy personally, never really gave me a reason to feel otherwise.


That's also a very good point.

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Why would u assume the auction items would be seconds if the auction price starts at full price and resets to full price after a sale? If it's old or B grade the auction should start at. a reduced price or just be put on sale like discontinued. JMO

Heathen Raider said:

Why would u assume the auction items would be seconds if the auction price starts at full price and resets to full price after a sale? If it's old or B grade the auction should start at. a reduced price or just be put on sale like discontinued. JMO

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I don't disagree.

Those auctions are about perceived value, and the deal seems better if it starts at $80.

I completely agree that if they are of lower quality then a discount would be in order, I don't know if they are, i'm just speculating.

So please don't take my word as gospel it was just a for-instance.

Credit where credit is due Heisens approach has been excellent and GUs reverse Auction is pure genius, that said I have Some GPS packs and have only popped 5 beans of Cookies N Chem 5 for 5 germ 1 died after popping soil all 4 are nice looking but still in veg and I havnt popped any Heisen gear yet but look forward to doing so

Biggest problem online is the breeder can produce solid genetics but if the grower doesn't dial the grow in and the plant doesn't perform or hermies because Joe Numbnuts let his grow get to 100 F for a week then the breeder gets slammed for producing a crap line when I bet over 90 percent is on the grower

Heathen Raider said:

Biggest problem online is the breeder can produce solid genetics but if the grower doesn't dial the grow in and the plant doesn't perform or hermies because Joe Numbnuts let his grow get to 100 F for a week then the breeder gets slammed for producing a crap line when I bet over 90 percent is on the grower

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Yeah, I always assume any issues are my own doing unless there is a whole slew of folks reporting issues.

No one wants to take responsibility for mistakes anymore, it's always gotta be someone else's fault.

CannaBruh said:

You mofos need to lookup what hype means before you quote and respond to me.

How you gonna process something you currently do NOT hold?
I can imagine an ISO9001 audit going something like this...

3rd party auditor "can we see how you....oh, step 1 assemble imaginary widget...step 2 slap into imaginary box..."

major findings

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Dude, you're claiming the hype thing? Heisen is doing exactly what he said he would do, there is no similarity whatsoever between him and Gu. Not only is Heisen doing what he said he would do, he's doing it all with complete transparency, documenting every step of the way with narrated videos and photos. Show me another seed company that's doing that. We are all excited, sitting here waiting for beans, because we know that he is going to do exactly what he said he was going to do. We're getting close to the first drop finish line now.

I mean, the whole idea of "there aren't even any beans yet what the hell are you guys all excited about?" Is really just bogus. We know there are going to be beans. And we know that those beans are going to be fire. You don't think that heisen is going to pull through? That's fine, believe whatever you want. In the meantime I'm getting on the list because there's no doubt in my mind he's going to be successful. Hugely successful.

Heathen Raider said:

Biggest problem online is the breeder can produce solid genetics but if the grower doesn't dial the grow in and the plant doesn't perform or hermies because Joe Numbnuts let his grow get to 100 F for a week then the breeder gets slammed for producing a crap line when I bet over 90 percent is on the grower

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For this breeders/seed makers should breed in "less than ideal conditions " let temps get in the high 90s,let humidity shift things of that nature.
It will help stiffing up the genetics for the next sesson.

genuity said:

You know he had others befor stardawg?

You got to go back to 2010 with @Gu~ right around his start up.

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I don't understand why Gu doesn't just run another 10 pack of beans and pick a male...a new male for chucking. That's essentially what he did with the stardawg male. I mean, it was given to him by a dispensary, but it's not like they did a 200 plant pheno hunt to get it. Is it just laziness? I'm wondering.

It seems he can't be bothered to do much. During the S1 fiasco, the whole entire thing could have been avoided if he had run one pack...ONE PACK... or even one seed. But, after paying someone thousands of dollars to get those seeds, he couldn't even be bothered to run one pack, and during all this time, chucking with the stardawg male, he hasn't even bothered to run anything else to find another male keeper. It makes you scratch your head.

Personally, I think his stardawg male is lacking, which is why there's such a high probability of getting really bad phenos in any one of his packs. The probability is so high, and I'm saying this based on observing the results of many others who have run his gear, that I decided to trade all my packs away rather than waste space in my garden to get some of his fluffy mids. Don't get me wrong, some people have got some real fire, but you get some real turds that go along with those.

As soon as Heisen announced his new project and started this thread, Gu said he was going to start selling fems. Has anything happened with that? I don't think so. If he had any initiative, he would take some of those elite clones he has access to and S1 them. Or, use one his own supposed excellent crosses. But that would require actually running at least one pack of beans and finding a keeper.

I guess he doesn't need to because he keeps advertising and making sales, apparently enough to satisfy him. But it shows he couldn't give two shits about doing something real with his company, he just wants to collect money.

Heisen, on the other hand, doesn't need to do this for the money. But he's doing anyway because he wants to do something real with his company. And we are all going to benefit from this. At least I know I am, I want just about everything he's said he's going to offer so far. I can't afford to buy it all at once, but he's going to be my go-to for beans in the foreseeable future. With what he's offering, I have no interest in going anywhere else. Especially, because I know I'm going to get what it is supposed to be because of his transparency.

VillageAnt said:

In the meantime I'm getting on the list because there's no doubt in my mind he's going to be successful. Hugely successful.

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Seems to be an awful lot of hype from what appears to be another pollen chucker. Plenty of them already here, and the beans actually exist already.

Greenthumbs256 said:

well In my opinion I've popped 7 packs from gps, out of all them, I've only 2 phenos worth keeping, and although I may be far from the best grower, or even far from a good one, popping beans is as easy as it gets, more than half those beans never cracked! I've had entire packs and didn't get a single one to even show a tap root! bc of those reasons is why u have moved on! but from what I've heard the crosses used to be alot better, but bc of the zero amount of transparency that gu has (as he tells us nothing about anything) we have no idea what's happened, or if he even still have that stardawg male! bc of all this is why I have jumped ship! and not to mention the bullshit he emailed me, bc he was butthurt with my opinions, and I won his month photo contest and had to mail me the winnings anyway! I won't post what was said, but that's the day I jumped ship and said he can go fuck himself!

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Dude, come on, post what was said. Pleeeeeaase!!!

VillageAnt said:

Dude, come on, post what was said. Pleeeeeaase!!!

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lol man, Im not in the business of trying to shit on ppl, I've got a life time of bad karma built up already from my past, I really don't need any more!

he was just pissed that my opinion on his strain that I won first place with on his contest, was anything less than amazing!
and bc I won, he had to mail me 100$ and he wasnt happy about it! bc I wasnt running around praising his shit, but rather speaking my honest opinion! and he didn't like that!

Boatguy said:

Seems to be an awful lot of hype from what appears to be another pollen chucker. Plenty of them already here, and the beans actually exist already.

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Actually doing the work, and documenting it with videos and photos every step of the way, is not hype. It's actual things happening. Hype would be if he was only TELLING us about all these beans he's going to come out with. And no, they don't already exist, not from a totally transparent breeder/chucker that you can trust. You guys don't get the call hype anymore and be taken seriously. This shit is happening for real.