are you inferring im saying end thread? im not at all im gonna wait for my mom to bounce back, take more headband clones this time using my ez clone 30 which i have more experience with, my guess is they'll start forming roots about 10-12 days in, then ill leave them in the cloner for maybe another week till they've developed a decent root mass. All of this is going down under either a lumatek 1000 watt turned down to 600 at high elevation or under a 4ft x 8 tube t5. In my mind the grow has simply been delayed by a decent month. But ill be vegging a few plants out so ill have a few that tower over the others.