Head In The Clouds Genetics

Odin*

Odin*

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2 of the 3 Danny's were male, but I still have a beautiful female. She's real "branchy", all up towards the top, like like she wants to make a ton of heads.

About the males, I'm thinking that's my fault. I kinda believe that sex is partially a result of the environment and stressors (or lack there of). In my first bean run I popped close to 30 seeds. Out of all of them I had only 1 male and that was a La Plata Cherry Lime X Lemon Alien. The majority of the beans came from stress hermied plants, yet all of those were female and none threw a single banana. I took excellent care of them and they were not exposed to any stress.

This time, however, I've pulled a total of 7 males (DGOG, Danny, Blue Suede, Ghostrider). They did get a little "stressed" early on. The little lights I had them under were plugged into a timer, which broke, the lights were off for about 10 hours. I procrastinated on getting a new timer, so I was maintaining the schedule "manually", but I fucked up once ("passed out") and they got another 10 hours of darkness. So, they were "bloomed" twice (confirmed by yellowing at would be bud sites) while they were sprouts.

I feel that this stress altered the male/female ratio.
 
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eastcoastled

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Odin* said:
2 of the 3 Danny's were male, but I still have a beautiful female. She's real "branchy", all up towards the top, like like she wants to make a ton of heads.

About the males, I'm thinking that's my fault. I kinda believe that sex is partially a result of the environment and stressors (or lack there of). In my first bean run I popped close to 30 seeds. Out of all of them I had only 1 male and that was a La Plata Cherry Lime X Lemon Alien. The majority of the beans came from stress hermied plants, yet all of those were female and none threw a single banana. I took excellent care of them and they were not exposed to any stress.

This time, however, I've pulled a total of 7 males (DGOG, Danny, Blue Suede, Ghostrider). They did get a little "stressed" early on. The little lights I had them under were plugged into a timer, which broke, the lights were off for about 10 hours. I procrastinated on getting a new timer, so I was maintaining the schedule "manually", but I fucked up once ("passed out") and they got another 10 hours of darkness. So, they were "bloomed" twice (confirmed by yellowing at would be bud sites) while they were sprouts.

I feel that this stress altered the male/female ratio.
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Not sure I'm fully following your logic there bro. If you're growing out beans from females that hermed, they are basically feminized seeds since there were no male genes in the mix. Shit that one male may have been the special one, defying the odds! I do wonder if environment plays a factor though, I have been getting 3-1 female to male ration for the past year plus. Not sure how, but it's multiple packs from different breeders. Even seeds from my own pollen chuck came out with the similar results. Not sure how or why, but i can't be that lucky!
 
Fastslappy

Fastslappy

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eastcoastled said:
Not sure I'm fully following your logic there bro. If you're growing out beans from females that hermed, they are basically feminized seeds since there were no male genes in the mix. Shit that one male may have been the special one, defying the odds! I do wonder if environment plays a factor though, I have been getting 3-1 female to male ration for the past year plus. Not sure how, but it's multiple packs from different breeders. Even seeds from my own pollen chuck came out with the similar results. Not sure how or why, but i can't be that lucky!
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all fems to start with ?
 
Fastslappy

Fastslappy

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i got a bubba kush that was clone only that always has one or two seeds in the harvest & each was a fem & i get 2 phenos this is 3 years straight
one pheno is white fire but not a yeilder , frosty as fuck to the point it looks like PM , the other is a big yeilder that is easy to see as Bubba Kush more than once someone has coming in the gh & says wow nice bubba without me telling them it was BK
last year ran pre 98-bubba melted in one night PM 3 huge plants , there's a reason some lines die off lol
 
Odin*

Odin*

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@eastcoastled Feminized seeds can still produce males (but more likely herms), especially when the seeds were the result of stressed plants that went herm. The fact that the seeds I received were very obviously the product of "stress herms", the likelihood of males/herms should have been pretty high.

I recently read that the amount of pollen/pollination will determine the male/female ratio.
 
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eastcoastled

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Odin* said:
@eastcoastled Feminized seeds can still produce males (but more likely herms), especially when the seeds were the result of stressed plants that went herm. The fact that the seeds I received were very obviously the product of "stress herms", the likelihood of males/herms should have been pretty high.

I recently read that the amount of pollen/pollination will determine the male/female ratio.
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I'm definitely not an expert on breeding. I do know feminized seeds are the result of of stressing a female to produce pollen, or self pollinate. This pollen should only produce females....herms definitely, but straight males, very unlikely. This is what I have always read from people way more knowledgeable than me.
 
eastcoastmo

eastcoastmo

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eastcoastled said:
I'm definitely not an expert on breeding. I do know feminized seeds are the result of of stressing a female to produce pollen, or self pollinate. This pollen should only produce females....herms definitely, but straight males, very unlikely. This is what I have always read from people way more knowledgeable than me.
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I only found out recently that femmed seeds can produce males...like 1 in 100 or something like that. Apparently Chunky's OGKB cookieboi is one of those. Tony Green was speaking about it a while back too, blew my mind lol. Also, if they aren't sterile, apparently they can be a 'holy grail' of such...
 
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eastcoastled

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eastcoastmo said:
I only found out recently that femmed seeds can produce males...like 1 in 100 or something like that. Apparently Chunky's OGKB cookieboi is one of those. Tony Green was speaking about it a while back too, blew my mind lol. Also, if they aren't sterile, apparently they can be a 'holy grail' of such...
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Yep, thanks, now I remember where i read it, which is why I said his one male was probably the special one. Chunkypigs cookieboi was the exact male i was thinking of. @tonygreen is a wealth of breeding knowledge.
 
Odin*

Odin*

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Yeah, you'd have to consider the reprocussions in nature. Hypothetical situation; stressful conditions force a group of females to have a herm "orgy", none are pollinated by a male. Next season only females, conditions are near perfect, no herms, and that is the end of that line.

Herming occurs in an effort to ensure the survival of the species. In order for that to work (and not against the species), some males would have to be produced.


What I mentioned about pollen/pollination levels effects this also. Proximity to the male is estimated by the level of pollination. A study showed that females pollinated with a greater amount of pollen give produce a higher ratio of female seeds, those with lower pollination produce a greater ratio of males. It's based off the plants own "estimation" of it's proximity to the male. The plants are trying not to have the males spread too far apart, which could result in some unpollinated females.
 
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