Hazeman Seeds

J-Icky said:

Just wondering if anyone has ever had problems with getting cash to him. Not him, but the cash either not making it to him or taking a lot longer than it should.
I know there’s always a risk in mailing cash but was thinking maybe someone in the post office had figured out what he does and knows there’s a high likely hood of cash being in the envelopes being mailed to his PO Box.
I sent in my payment and being maybe 100 miles away figured he would have it within 5 days, yet I haven’t received the email from him confirming he’s received it. It’s been more than the 5 days so figured he’d have it by now

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I always send it with a tracking record so at least I know when it arrives. I have not had any issues sending cash, and have ordered from him on 3 separate occasions. Generally I will email him when I see the tracking arrives and I always get a response within a day or two max. He is really good with communicating when the orders are shipping out too.

I ordered a 10+ packs recently. No problems. Use a postal money order if you have any doubts. Got a pack of fat purple as my freebie.

jayblaze710 said:

Standard practice is to label it as a backcross, and make it clear what male was used initially and how many backcross generations it had undergone. Not pretend like you magically got pure reg seeds from a clone-only. Clarity about genetics actually matters. Fire or not, people should know exactly what they’re getting. Even an S1 should be labeled as such.

There’s other weird shit about Hazeman too. He sells 88g13HP when it was explicitly given out with instructions not to sell the pure line for profit. Same thing with Molokai Frost. I asked him about the Stardawg IX F2s and Underdawg D F2s he used to have available. He told me he doesn’t sell crosses made by other breeders, but I know he at least used to. Also, his Pine Tar Kush is apparently not PTK. This is according to Nspecta, the guy doing a huge Pine Tar Kush preservation project that probably has the majority of PTK seeds left in the world. According to him it’s Xmas Bud, which is still a rare and valuable strain, but it should be labeled appropriately.

I’m sure that Hazeman has some really good stuff. But I have a tough time completely trusting the genetics behind it all.

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I have never seen him sell the Stardawg F2's. I do have a pack that was given as a freebie though. As far as the '88g13HP, well his loophole there was that ndnguy didnt give him the cut? He got it from Mota so I guess if you want to get technical he is free to do as he wants with it. Also no one is giving it out so I'm thankful he's selling it otherwise I wouldnt have it. As far as the PTK vs X-mas bud, I think it's safe to say no one knows what the heck is what. Ndnguy gave out seeds calling it x-mas bud but it's identical to the old PTK pics from the mid 2000's.

As for the Mikado, Breeder Steve said Mikado is his Sweet Pink Grapefuit and Cotton Candy is his Sweet Tooth from Federation.

N.R.G. said:

I have never seen him sell the Stardawg F2's. I do have a pack that was given as a freebie though. As far as the '88g13HP, well his loophole there was that ndnguy didnt give him the cut? He got it from Mota so I guess if you want to get technical he is free to do as he wants with it. Also no one is giving it out so I'm thankful he's selling it otherwise I wouldnt have it. As far as the PTK vs X-mas bud, I think it's safe to say no one knows what the heck is what. Ndnguy gave out seeds calling it x-mas bud but it's identical to the old PTK pics from the mid 2000's.

As for the Mikado, Breeder Steve said Mikado is his Sweet Pink Grapefuit and Cotton Candy is his Sweet Tooth from Federation.

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I’ve personally seen an old price list that included Stardawg F2s. I’ve also seen Stardawg F2 packs from him being resold on IG. I know he doesn’t sell them anymore, but he definitely did.

There’s no 88g13hp clone, there never was. It’s all seed stock that NDNguy worked. He gave it away, with the intent that everyone only gave away the pure seed line and nobody profited from it directly. It doesn’t matter where Hazeman got his stock from, It came with the same intentions. And at this point, everyone knows the story behind NDNguy’s 88g13hp. Just because Hazeman didn’t get the seeds directly from him excuses it.

PTK vs Xmas Bud. Nobody knows? No, Nspecta knows. He’s grown more PTK from more seed sources than anyone not named Tom Hill. He’s also grown a ton of Xmas Bud. You can get free Xmas Bud seeds if you buy any of his crosses right now. If anyone can identify the difference, it’s him. I believe Nspecta even identified who Hazeman got the “PTK” from and verified that it was likely a mislabeling error.

Since writing that post months and months ago, I’ve also heard that Hazeman received his Deep Chunk (Monkey Balls) seed stock under circumstances similar to the 88g13hp. He wasn’t supposed to make seeds and sell them.

I know a lot of people like Hazeman, his prices are good and he purports to have some rare genetics. But there’s a reason why I personally would never buy from him. You can if you want.

Blood Rose topped and already flipped to flower. I have never had such a young plant smell so strong of skunk. Could be that Heath Robinson Shiva Skunk coming threw. Might be a male as well with how much stank is on the plant. I have this and 3 other plants. They do not smell like anything but plant. This guy reeeks up the whole tent.

jayblaze710 said:

I’ve personally seen an old price list that included Stardawg F2s. I’ve also seen Stardawg F2 packs from him being resold on IG. I know he doesn’t sell them anymore, but he definitely did.

There’s no 88g13hp clone, there never was. It’s all seed stock that NDNguy worked. He gave it away, with the intent that everyone only gave away the pure seed line and nobody profited from it directly. It doesn’t matter where Hazeman got his stock from, It came with the same intentions. And at this point, everyone knows the story behind NDNguy’s 88g13hp. Just because Hazeman didn’t get the seeds directly from him excuses it.

PTK vs Xmas Bud. Nobody knows? No, Nspecta knows. He’s grown more PTK from more seed sources than anyone not named Tom Hill. He’s also grown a ton of Xmas Bud. You can get free Xmas Bud seeds if you buy any of his crosses right now. If anyone can identify the difference, it’s him. I believe Nspecta even identified who Hazeman got the “PTK” from and verified that it was likely a mislabeling error.

Since writing that post months and months ago, I’ve also heard that Hazeman received his Deep Chunk (Monkey Balls) seed stock under circumstances similar to the 88g13hp. He wasn’t supposed to make seeds and sell them.

I know a lot of people like Hazeman, his prices are good and he purports to have some rare genetics. But there’s a reason why I personally would never buy from him. You can if you want.

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I don't know why that post popped up on my alert list. I responded and then realized how long ago it was lol. Yeah I like Hazeman and what he offers and the price he offers it at.

Here are a few of my Hazeman PTK/79XmasBud's preggo on day 24 flowering. I popped 10 beans, 8 rooted, 7 survived, 2 males, 5 females.

Using both males to open "pollen chuck" across all 5 females, as well as hitting a few other (non hazeman) strains such as GG4, black cherry soda, trainwreck, harlequin, ogiesel. One male is extremely tall, lanky, has a very strong smell and almost grows like a OG kush like SFV, the other is very short, slow growing tiny plant with very little smell.

My hopes are just to have a ton of seeds of each cross to eventually start popping looking for either that super pine terp smell/flavor or just some beast plant with intriguing expressions.

Here are some of the Hazeman Monkeyballs/Deep Chunk F2, I also have going right now. Same goal in mind, to pollen chuck with a Deep Chunk Male If I am lucky enough to get one.

I asked hazeman what Monkey Balls were, and if it was Deep Chunk and he told me it is a selected F2 from Deep Chunk

I really love the leaves and how these Deep Chunks are growing! the smells are very interesting too!

Icemud420 said:

Here are some of the Hazeman Monkeyballs/Deep Chunk F2, I also have going right now. Same goal in mind, to pollen chuck with a Deep Chunk Male If I am lucky enough to get one.

I asked hazeman what Monkey Balls were, and if it was Deep Chunk and he told me it is a selected F2 from Deep Chunk

I really love the leaves and how these Deep Chunks are growing! the smells are very interesting too!

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Love it. I started looking at your PTK photos first, thinking the leaves werent very Afghani, lol, then realized my oopsie, they look stout and pretty for the ladies.
I have a few vegging in the queue, probably do the same as you, just open pollinate the pack. Thanks for posting!

dabby duck said:

Love it. I started looking at your PTK photos first, thinking the leaves werent very Afghani, lol, then realized my oopsie, they look stout and pretty for the ladies.
I have a few vegging in the queue, probably do the same as you, just open pollinate the pack. Thanks for posting!

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Yea I figure with the industry going fully commercial, its only matter of time before some rare genetics and old school genetics are either lost to big corporations, or that eventually GMO type cannabis will enter the market. I havent heard of any confirmed GMO cannabis yet, but I do know that there are companies using Genetic markers to selectively breed so the next step may be using CRISPR to actually manipulate them. Plus I haven't ever bred with a male before, so its a learning opportunity for me to have plenty of seed stock for future crosses and potentially finding an awesome pheno to work with down the road, something special or if I'm lucky to bring back that pine flavor of the 90s lol

I know that sooner or later though, the way the industry is going, more and more "commercial" influence may very well threaten old school strains, so I am ramping up my personal seed bank just in case

I also haven't seen many people actually grow Xmas Bud or Deep Chunk and post their results online, so its an opportunity for others who may be curious about hazeman's strains to see their results. I know I generally research strains and growing techniques before I attempt them, and its still quite hard to find good information within our industry.

Icemud420 said:

Yea I figure with the industry going fully commercial, its only matter of time before some rare genetics and old school genetics are either lost to big corporations, or that eventually GMO type cannabis will enter the market. I havent heard of any confirmed GMO cannabis yet, but I do know that there are companies using Genetic markers to selectively breed so the next step may be using CRISPR to actually manipulate them. Plus I haven't ever bred with a male before, so its a learning opportunity for me to have plenty of seed stock for future crosses and potentially finding an awesome pheno to work with down the road, something special or if I'm lucky to bring back that pine flavor of the 90s lol

I know that sooner or later though, the way the industry is going, more and more "commercial" influence may very well threaten old school strains, so I am ramping up my personal seed bank just in case

I also haven't seen many people actually grow Xmas Bud or Deep Chunk and post their results online, so its an opportunity for others who may be curious about hazeman's strains to see their results. I know I generally research strains and growing techniques before I attempt them, and its still quite hard to find good information within our industry.

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I agree, I like to make backups of just about everything I do. Its tedious and not for everyone. But that also means that ther is plent to share as well.
Preservation is 1A, as Deep chunk was also bred around my area and finding a male for PNW outdoors is 1B. That gives me extra motivation to have the strain on hand if I need to go back and forth with lineages...

As far as gmo plants, blueberry is one, its mom was a colchine treated strain, and confirmed by dj short on the potcast, recently. There are other strains that I am of the opinion that exist because of colch treatments, but that is speculation for now, and that is just one type of gmo. As far as crispr work, I am not on any real level of understanding, but I have read up on assembling scaffolds and snps from the raw genomic data ouput. My guess is that crispr uses that information to access its target area. Guess i will have to read more extensively. Gene gunning and bacterieal enhancements are other methods. I find the actual array of gmo applications to be fascinsting, however I am not drooling over inserting neem tree genes into cannabis for insecticide purposes for instance, so some kind of ethics will have to come into play.
Damn seeds and epistemology, I just wanna grow and smoke killer weed.

lol, I hope its not PTK, I hear thats just a rumor. After growing out multiple packs of PTK and DC from CBF and Tom yrs ago, beautiful plants, mainly males, great for breeding, not for headstash, been known quite a few minutes now, these aren't new genes. Why you see so many things crossed to em. Jay is correct per the 88G13hp. Was intended to be passed out, never sold. I guess this new one is the same way. Ndn is worth the respect, trust. Not sure middlemen got greedy or not, or what happened. I like Hazeman, and such, ask him how Rushman is doin, hehe.
Tom Hills grow threads and pics used to be all over icmag, its not hard to find those grows of PTK and DC.

Icemud420 said:

I know that sooner or later though, the way the industry is going, more and more "commercial" influence may very well threaten old school strains, so I am ramping up my personal seed bank just in case

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so I'm kinda in the mindset that everything will actually be better. Cannabis is far too easy to grow and propogate. IMO, there's not really a demographic for commercially produced GMO weed from a corporation. Nobody wants that shit, there is no market for it. Organic produce is becoming the norm, and cannabis will be the same. There are probably exceptions to this.

But realistically, with the scientific access cannabis now has - expect your current stock to be obsolete in a few years. I'm expecting to see some pretty high thc percentages as well as some insane terpene profiles and even colors. It's already starting to happen. It's going to be Gattaca, but for weed, man. There is still so much to discover.

Will there one day be seeds you buy that you are unable to propogate with? well, maybe. But don't expect cannabis to replace soy beans or corn anytime soon, so maybe not?

I think it will follow more of a craft/micro brew movement over something like tobacco/cigarettes or corn/soybeans.

Or honestly, things probably won't change much The next big popular strain will still be some elite clone created from some other strain selfing under stress. rinse and repeat.

as for Hazeman, who knows what people have said to who, and under what circumstances seeds were given to who, blah blah blah. The truth is, is that those seeds are reaching people who would never have access to those genetics otherwise, and that's awesome. Everybody should be smoking great stuff. Everybody should have access to great genetics, and if somebody comes across something amazing, they should stand up on top of a mountain and share it with the world. Fuck you otherwise.

2c

A little sense in a sea of nonsense, I concur

I think ndnguys 88g13hp had butterscotch in it, does the one being used have it in it?

Does he accept PayPal for international orders?

Bodyne said:

I think ndnguys 88g13hp had butterscotch in it, does the one being used have it in it?

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I don’t know but if I’m not mistaken I think I read somewhere that Mota/Hazeman were commissioned with making more seeds for ndnguy at one point. There is no doubt that Hazeman has the legit 88g13/hp.

N.R.G. said:

I don’t know but if I’m not mistaken I think I read somewhere that Mota/Hazeman were commissioned with making more seeds for ndnguy at one point. There is no doubt that Hazeman has the legit 88g13/hp.

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no I didn't mean that. I just rememer the butterscotch being in it.

hazeman's / bodhi / ect ....g13 is not pure. its butterscotch / g13 worked toward the g13 side. ( by ndnguy and swampy who passed it onto community mota, hazeman, bodhi ect )


.......... " The G13/Hp used in the original cross was sourced from 1987-88 seeds from the seedbank when Neville crossed the clone before it died. swampy breed his line on and named it free leanord to help a wonderfull man who is spending the rest of his life in jail,30 or 31 years now. I kept my line and continued it as just g13/Bsh. " ............. NDNGUY quote'

Thats nots Nevs cross its mine and a friend who went by the name of swampy,sorry but somehow it just got known as G13/BSH when it is actually G13/HP 1988 x Crays Hawiian Butterscotch not reffermans he had nothing to do with the plant cray did it. This cross has been out there goiing on seven years now to F4 on my part and farther on swampys part so its not some new cross nevil did ok glad to clear this up for yya fellows we handed out thousand of these to med people becase it works for pain and other things,the 1988 G13/HP i have we call Ghash and motarebel has made several med crosses with it that aare fire if peeps want to know and grow some dank ass buud for meds or rec......ndnguy

Bodyne said:

no I didn't mean that. I just rememer the butterscotch being in it.

hazeman's / bodhi / ect ....g13 is not pure. its butterscotch / g13 worked toward the g13 side. ( by ndnguy and swampy who passed it onto community mota, hazeman, bodhi ect )


.......... " The G13/Hp used in the original cross was sourced from 1987-88 seeds from the seedbank when Neville crossed the clone before it died. swampy breed his line on and named it free leanord to help a wonderfull man who is spending the rest of his life in jail,30 or 31 years now. I kept my line and continued it as just g13/Bsh. " ............. NDNGUY quote'

Thats nots Nevs cross its mine and a friend who went by the name of swampy,sorry but somehow it just got known as G13/BSH when it is actually G13/HP 1988 x Crays Hawiian Butterscotch not reffermans he had nothing to do with the plant cray did it. This cross has been out there goiing on seven years now to F4 on my part and farther on swampys part so its not some new cross nevil did ok glad to clear this up for yya fellows we handed out thousand of these to med people becase it works for pain and other things,the 1988 G13/HP i have we call Ghash and motarebel has made several med crosses with it that aare fire if peeps want to know and grow some dank ass buud for meds or rec......ndnguy

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I remember seeing those same quotes before and someone argue that the NDNguy’s hashplant has butterscotch in it. But the last quote sounds like they’re two different lines. One is Ghash which is 88g13hp and the other is 88g13hp x Butterscotch. If ghash is the one that went to Mota, it must be the same one that Bodhi and Hazeman ended up with.

jayblaze710 said:

I remember seeing those same quotes before and someone argue that the NDNguy’s hashplant has butterscotch in it. But the last quote sounds like they’re two different lines. One is Ghash which is 88g13hp and the other is 88g13hp x Butterscotch. If ghash is the one that went to Mota, it must be the same one that Bodhi and Hazeman ended up with.

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Ah, that makes sense now. Good point as they all 3 have the same stock. I think full circle is that 88G13/HP = Actually is 88G13 x (HPxNL#1). I could be wrong...Now I want some (8813/hpxnl1) x butterscotch hawaiian.. Who has that?