Having serious Super Soil issues!

Springtucky

Springtucky

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My Diesel does this...but I almost figured it would because as a strain the Super Soil is just too hot for it as Subcool himself has noted. Some strains I will layer the bottom third of pot and have to top dress to prevent early fading, in which case I usually bump up the amount of Super Soil needed for said strain.
 
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Afka

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pH, overall, is still an issue in organic soils. If you're way out of range then they will have trouble buffering the root zone.

Also, the hardness/alcalinity of his tap water might have something to do with it.
 
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suTraGrow

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cannawizard said:
*chillin, freezin my ass off.. anything below 67d for me is cold, hahaha

hope all is well homie
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Haha i feel ya been dipping into the 40s at night time here as well :-D
Not bad 5 weeks left of school then finally get a month off. Been a good while since that happened hehe.
Well done hijacking the thread now. Got a Vet Parade to attend to. Leading the troops this year :-D
Take care bro.
 
T Ray

T Ray

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Afka
I disagree, the whole premise of organics is the balance of micro's, which means if something becomes out of whack the micro's put it back in balance. A properly set up organic soil mix will generally adjust pH on it's own.
 
cannawizard

cannawizard

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suTraGrow said:
Haha i feel ya been dipping into the 40s at night time here as well :-D
Not bad 5 weeks left of school then finally get a month off. Been a good while since that happened hehe.
Well done hijacking the thread now. Got a Vet Parade to attend to. Leading the troops this year :-D
Take care bro.
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**all hail our troops :) ~lead the way pimp
 
HailTheLeaf

HailTheLeaf

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T Ray said:
Did you follow all the directions and use all the exact ingredients? Did you let it sit for a full 30 days before you used it? And are you using a minimum of 7 gallon containers? All of these factor could be playing a role. Tell me more about your process of making the SS and details about your setup/time of veg/time of flower/container size...ect.

And to answer your question you are correct that it should not need any more nutrients when using supersoil.
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I followed the directions but made a smaller batch since my grow is only 6+ plants right now...I mixed everything in reduced amounts and watered it, then it cooked for over a month (closer to 2) outside on a rooftop. The plants are in new 7gal containers, they've vegged for about 2 months (from seed) in Roots organics soil before being transplanted for flowering about a month ago.
 
T Ray

T Ray

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That all seems good to go.

What strain is it? What is the flower time? Did it start out green for the first month and then just yellow overnight or was it a slow yellowing? Is it the bottom only yellowing or is the whole plant turning yellow? The more details you give the better.

The first pic looks like it is just a dead leaf from the bottom (no big deal). And in the second pic the leaf it looks as if it is starting to fade.
 
T Ray

T Ray

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Subcool on fading.

Over 30 years of growing Cannabis I have noticed a few patterns emerging
I have noticed that plants like this that are literally done growing at harvest always taste better but more importantly are simply more dank! Healthy plants at the end are easier to trim and deff beefy but why is it a plant such as this that almost looks dead has such perfect reefer on it?
I saw a thread online the other day titled Hydro VS Organics. I did not replay as this argument is as old as Methuselah. We could debate this for eons It pretty obvious that the water boys out yield the mud boggers in the world but my days of Grams per watt are long gone. I run the same strains over and over and my goal each run is to make slight changes in my soil make up to determine when fading starts. To soon and the plant is green at finish and lacks flavor although I notice yields are better. To little and the fade starts so early that all the leaves fall off and yields suffer. The perfect blend will allow fading early in week 6-7 and continue to week 8 and beyond.
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Source:

https://www.greenpassion.org/index.php?/topic/18492-organic-fade-the-key-to-flavor/
 
T Ray

T Ray

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I assume since you had 6 containers that you tried different amounts of SS in each so you could see what % SS dialed in the strain the best. If not next run make sure you try different levels. Especially if it's a strains first run on SS.
 
HailTheLeaf

HailTheLeaf

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The ones budding right now are a Strawberry Cough and a plant of unknown genetic origin...not sure on flowering times but I know they've got a least a month left. The yellowing started slowly at the bottom, first on the ? plant, then on the Strawberry Cough. The 2nd pic is SC after a failed epsom salts rescue, and that fading is almost to the top of the plant as of this morning. And the Ph runoff from the pots is quite acidic according to a crappy aquarium test kit...
 
T Ray

T Ray

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My best advice is don't panic MJ is very adaptable. After determining whether it's burn or fade you will know how to fix it on your next grow of that strain. If it's burn give less SS. If it's fading already you will have to topdress with SS to give the plant more food.
 
T Ray

T Ray

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Sounds to me like you need to topdress. I am not familiar on SC as far as feeding's go. From what your describing though, it sounds like it's just fading and is in need of more food. You will want to see fade in your plants, but 1 month in is too early.
 
HailTheLeaf

HailTheLeaf

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I've never grown this strain before, it was a freebie. I grow alot of different strains so I've got variety, and I'm still looking for what I like. Makes it a bitch to adjust soil though.
 
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Rj41

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T Ray said:
Afka
I disagree, the whole premise of organics is the balance of micro's, which means if something becomes out of whack the micro's put it back in balance. A properly set up organic soil mix will generally adjust pH on it's own.
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Not trying to pick a fight here because I agree, properly setup organic mix should adjust on it's own. But........

It appears that the op's wasn't set up properly. So.....

IMO a quick ph test wouldn't hurt anything.
 
T Ray

T Ray

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Yeah it take a run of SS to dial in your grow. I know Sub says 1/3 to 1/2 of the container, but I think he does that so people won't bitch when they're plants fry. I run most of mine at 50% and some as high as 75% SS and have not noticed burn on anything. All of my plants love the SS. Even if a slight burn does occur, after the plant get's used to it's new surroundings it will thrive.
 
T Ray

T Ray

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Rj41 said:
Not trying to pick a fight here because I agree, properly setup organic mix should adjust on it's own. But........

It appears that the op's wasn't set up properly. So.....

IMO a quick ph test wouldn't hurt anything.
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To each his own. OP was setup properly. He answered all the questions I had and I think we have determined that his plant was running out of food is all. He has never ran supersoil before and therefore didn't know what to look for. I just think that too many people panic when slight changes happen. It is completely normal for plants to yellow from the bottom up and fade in SS, just not 1 month in.
 
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boneheadbob

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I am using SS in three gallon grow bags with a good one third ss at the bottom. Three vortex that look like fade after 4 weeks in flower and 10 days (after transplant) of more veg.

Two Reserve pravda skunk, one is clearly having nuteburn issues. The other is fading.
When I transplanted into SS the vortex loved it, one skunk liked it and one burned a little.

I just top dressed two inches and dug it into old stuff with fingers, breaking up the old clod and getting some air. It seems to have stopped the fading. I will know more in a few days.

My ss was mixed right and let set for 5 months. I did not get the humic powder so I am using liquid humic and watering with it now.
 
T Ray

T Ray

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Yeah BHB, sounds like your fading too quickly in the Vortex b/c of your 3 gallon bag. Sub recommends using 7gallon pot minimum for this reason. You simply will run out of food and have to top dress. He says even in a 5 gallon you will run out of food. Really once you've done runs with it you can still be highly successful with SS using smaller bags/pots, you will just have to watch it closer (to topdress accordingly) to make sure it doesn't fade on you too early.

You gotta post some pics of your Vortex, as that is Sub's personal recommendation of his strains and is still his go to head stash.

Good luck with your SS adventure BHB you will be happy you switched.
 
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boneheadbob

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One reason I am using soil and SS is so I dont have to worry about PH and ppm.
I just grow a weed in dirt with some nutes and my head has been right since my first harvest. :hump:
I highly recomend it (no pun intnded) Sure, some may grow bigger and some may grow better but I like to keep it simple. :peace:
 
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