Having problems with curling leaves.

Hi. I was using GH Flora Micro Bloom. I got new lights and Advanced Nutrients OMI line. I switched the light and nutes and instantly ran into trouble. I overheated my room and plant and the roots grew slime I have been battling for weeks. I tried H202, and it picks them right up for a few hours and they start to curl again. I am guessing oxygen boost. I also tried to nuke everything with pool shock, and purchased Piranha, tarantula, and voodoo juice. After chlorine and cleaning everything and adding all that stuff I got a bunch of new roots and my plant started to grow again, only to start curling up the next day and root development stopped again. Please help me I really don't know how to get back control.

My grow room is 3x3, I am using a SF-4000 light.
My ph is adjusted 3 times a day, I bring it down to 5.5 and in about 6 hours it goes to 6.5 or so.
My room is between 20-25 degrees c. I have been keeping the roots below 19 degrees c.
I am using a GH WaterFarm with an added bubbler in the res, it is a 2 gallon res.

I have some Great White product coming in today to try to get more beneficial bacteria and fungus and microbes in there. Ill include pictures of my struggle. I have plant growth in order, then the roots in order. First pic is after pool shock and you can see it start to recover and decline again. Also the roots you can see the damaged ones, new growth, and how they grew after almost fixing it but they stopped growing again now.

Please give me ideas!

I am pretty much out of ideas, I stuck some Great White in there today, I hope it helps. This is a pilot run to hammer out problems, and it has not been fun. Once I figure this out I am cloning that plant and starting over, I have another waterfarm and the fittings and pump to run them together with an external res and pump. I think the bigger volume of water will help but I did have a waterfarm 10 years ago and grew awesome stuff so it should work now.

I use well water that is between 170ppm and 220ppm. To cancel that out as a variable I purchased this 6 stage RO system with DI. Can someone tell me if this is a good for what I am doing? Geekpure 6-Stage Reverse Osmosis Drinking Water Filter System with DI Filter TDS to 0-75GPD I should have checked before buying, but I may just be getting paranoid.

I think I figured out the issue. The tube that the waterfarm uses to suck water in to the dripper is deformed. It looks like someone melted the top and made it into a point to fit it in. It was clogging. Looks like someone did that rather than factory because I looked up videos and its flat, just a cut pipe. I chopped the end off and it is working much better. Plant is starting to pick up. It is new water I hope I don't have to dump it.

I am not sure I need that RO system anymore but what the hell. Everyone is saying it is better to use RO water so I will use it when it gets here but I do have a question. I tested my water today and it was 240 today, lots of rain and stuff the past few days probably dropping some sediment in the well. Is 240 too high usually?

Well plant is picking itself up again and it resumed growing. Ill update if I have any issues. Thanks for all the help...

for plants that size, you hardly have any roots. have you been cutting them off or something?

i grow in WF's too and by that size, the whole bottom res is a solid cube of roots.

and yes, you will be much better off with RO than 240ppm water. that's too high IMO

and pic 311, what is all that brown slime on the bottom of the top res?

Distortionist said:

Advanced Nutrients OMI line

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and what is this? do they have organics in them?
i'd go back to GH. use Lucas.

rkymtnman said:

and what is this? do they have organics in them?
i'd go back to GH. use Lucas.

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It is OIM sorry, typo. Yes it is an organic line of food. Problems aside, it grows the plant a lot faster than the GH food. I am pretty sure I caused all this by overheating the room and the waterfarm defect causing it to drip slow. It drips better than ever now. I know GH is easier and less problematic, but I already spent the money on a lot of AN products, I have everything. I also used them 10 years ago on a similar setup with fantastic results.

The brown stuff is residue from the organic food. I have not cut off any roots but I have been having problems since week 2, I am in week 5. I had root rot too. Roots are only now starting to really grow. I have been fighting that root rot and problems constantly. The poor plant had strong h202 baths, pool shock baths.. I am positive it is from too little flow from the dripper. It was dripping like 2 drops a second from the best hole. I didn't know any better and thought it was normal until i pulled apart the dripper and seen the mess they made, looked up what it supposed to look like and corrected it. It is dripping really well now and I already see improvement. I have been taking shots all day! I will post todays progression later on. I am confident my roots will also be a few inches longer now that this is working right. I will also update tomorrow if its still improving or back to going worse. Each time I get improvement for a few days it goes to shit.

Distortionist said:

Yes it is an organic line of food. Problems aside, it grows the plant a lot faster than the GH food.

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sorry but you are wrong. GH 3 part in the right hands is all you need. organics in dwc for a beginner is no good.

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The brown stuff is residue from the organic food.

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yep, stop using that crap

rkymtnman said:

yep, stop using that crap

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I would listen to you if I did not spend hundreds of dollars in nutrients from them. I have used both and I liked AN better. I know they are contributing to my issues here but they are not the cause. I used both GH and AN 10 years ago as well and I had better results with AN myself. I am stubborn I know haha. Switching to GH is a last resort. I need to learn and make it work before my second run with more buckets and a res. I spent thousands of dollars and I won't give up. I am pretty sure I fixed most issues along the way and I have learned a lot.

Here are the pics I took from today in order. Notice my new leaves are praying to the light again, they have not done that in a while. You can tell they picked up. The Plant dropps a bit in a evening, I have not found the cause but I read lots of strains do that, my new leaves are pointing up and that is the good sign I am looking for. I will also post again tomorrow with an update. I do appreciate your help @rkymtnman, I just invested too much into making this work, I even spent 500 bucks on a chiller and 200 bucks on RO today. Not ready to quit AN!

Distortionist said:

I would listen to you

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figure out your problems then. adios!

rkymtnman said:

figure out your problems then. adios!

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I am one at a time. AN is not one of them, people have been blaming AN constantly but it was heat, dripper issues, and a battle with root rot. Everyone just jumps when they hear AN and blame it. I am not looking for an easy way out. The first time I added AN products into that bucket growth exploded, I just did it when I installed a $1000 instead of a $100 light and sent my room to 40 degrees celcius for hours. That's what started all this and recovery was shit because the dripper. I will find out for sure tomorrow.

Distortionist said:

I am one at a time. AN is not one of them, people have been blaming AN constantly but it was heat, dripper issues, and a battle with root rot. Everyone just jumps when they hear AN and blame it. I am not looking for an easy way out. The first time I added AN products into that bucket growth exploded, I just did it when I installed a $1000 instead of a $100 light and sent my room to 40 degrees celcius for hours. That's what started all this and recovery was shit because the dripper. I will find out for sure tomorrow.

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You come on and ask for help at least be polite to the guy helping you damn

Wattzzup said:

You come on and ask for help at least be polite to the guy helping you damn

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What did I say that was not nice? I feel like he took offence because I didn't dump AN for GH. I didn't say anything rude, just that I am not ready to dump a product that I have tried and liked before and was successful with with worse equipment. I caused this not AN. I assumed my LED light would not produce a lot of heat and I was mistaken. AN didn't cause my dripper to clog, it was a manufacturing defect. Switching to GH would not have prevented the light cooking my room, and it would not prevent a defective dripper to suddenly work. I came here for advice and tracking the issue down. I don't have to take all the advice and do it, I take the suggestions in and if they make sense to me I do them. I don't feel like my nutrient is the problem, and I want to learn how to use the $700 of nutrients I already purchased. I purchased a 500 dollar chiller for it and a 200 dollar RO system because everyone says those are a must. So I have tons of things other than the nutrients that I can do better and I am working on it.

I understand what you’re saying but it just seems like you ran someone off who had the knowledge to help you is all. Good luck

and I agree with you on one thing. I don’t like when people just suggest to switch to what they’re using. But he was saying what you used before had no problems and what you’re using now is.

Wattzzup said:

I understand what you’re saying but it just seems like you ran someone off who had the knowledge to help you is all. Good luck

and I agree with you on one thing. I don’t like when people just suggest to switch to what they’re using. But he was saying what you used before had no problems and what you’re using now is.

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Yeah the problem did happen the day I switched, but that day the new SF-4000 light went in instead of a $100 dollar LED from amazon. I installed it and had to leave for a few hours, I came back and alarms were going off, my grow room was 40c, and it took me a couple of days to figure out out to manage the heat in my small room, at the same time my ring clogged for the first time. It has clogged multiple times and today I finally was able to pull the whole assembly apart and fix it. I think since the light caused root rot, all my problems were the dripper not dripping enough, the difference is insane, 1 hole on the ring is dripping more than all the holes put together when I thought it was working lol.

I will update tomorrow, maybe my victory celebration is too early.

Plant is much happier this morning. That makes me happy. A couple more days without signs of problems and I will send it to flower, it is getting a bit big. First 2 pics are the first 2 I took this morning, and then the last 2 are yesterday morning to compare. My AC was supposed to ship today but it did not, and neither did the chiller I just got. I was hoping they come in before flower but I don't think it is going to happen. I also have a cloner coming that I was hoping to clone the plant before floweing, maybe I will scrog the plant in 2 days if it is still good and install an external res so I don't have to touch it and flower by wednesday.

I have a question about that. Hypothetically if I can get the AC in there and have room for 2 or 3 more waterfarms I am doing it, is there a recommended res size and total water volume for the number of plants? Each bucket holds 2 gallon in res, so if I have 3 buckets that is 6 gallon water, would an external res of an extra 2 gallon ok or is that too many plants for too little water. I am trying to rid myself of regular PH and water level adjustments until my RO filter comes in. I am guessing it is caused by low water volume and impurities.

I found the tip that was causing trouble in the waterfarm that I chopped off with a Dremel. It is supposed to be a straight cut pipe, someone melted the end and twisted it to fit it in lol. This supposed to be new off amazon and everything looked new. Strange. It works so much better now it is crazy. My PH is happier, the plant is happier, the roots are, it starting to smell like earth rather than gross stuff in there.

@Distortionist

Eugene "Gino" Yordanov is a well-known international drug smuggler, multimillionaire, knight of the Order of St. Michael, and now, apparently a child rapist.

Eugene is also one of the three co-owners of Advanced Nutrients Ltd., along with Michael "Big Mike" Straumietis and Robert C. Higgins.

In May of 2013, Eugene Yordanov was accused with strong evidence in Bulgaria of taking a little 7 year old girl, the daughter of a friend (Ms. Velislava Veleva) of Eugene's and Michael's, to a deserted area and penetrating her anus with his fingers, causing a 1 centimeter long tear inside the little girl's anal canal, and then making her fondle his penis and perform fellatio on him, while taking pictures with his phone and then showing the pictures to his friends, e.g. like Michael Straumietis.

Eugene was arrested in Bulgaria after the accusations surfaced, and held for the maximum time allowed under Bulgarian law: 72 hours. After he was released from police custody he was placed under house arrest to await trial.

Bulgarian magistrates from the appellate panel of the Sofia City Court (SCC) wrote in their official statement that Eugene was kept in custody for the full 72 hours, and then placed under house arrest because "of the evidence - testimony of 7 witnesses, 2 forensic experts, minutes of inspection, search and seizure - it can be inferred that Yordanov committed the act."

While awaiting trial under house arrest Eugene is trying to wage a media campaign to defame his accusers, a child rape victim and her mother (a Boarder police officer at Sofia airport, Bulgaria), and, he's trying to cover up the accusations through his connections as a knight in the country's Order of St. Michael, as well using as his political and financial ties in Bulgaria.