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hehehemann

hehehemann

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Don't mean to be impatient...but I haven't smoked today ;)

Is is possible someone could answer my Q's on CO2 that I posted #4512

Thanks :)
 
StinkBud

StinkBud

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DIRTHAWKER said:
Thanks mindp....i was thinking more in the way of one of these dodads...http://www.4hydroponics.com/grow_room/capxgc1.asp

pricey but it controlls everything. AM i correct that it monitors the co2 level and dispurses automaticly?
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That's like the one I have with the CO2 controller built in.

My CO2 monitor is external but works the same way.

This is the one you want. You will never have to worry about your room temps, humidity or CO2 PPM.

I set the humidity at 60% and the temp at 86. It turns on the vent fan if either get too high.

I'll be hooking up my A/C within the next few weeks and I'll use the controller to turn it on and off.

I bought mine on Fleabay for $450. The link to the controller you gave us is actually a good price. They retail for over a grand.
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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DIRTHAWKER said:
Thanks mindp....i was thinking more in the way of one of these dodads...http://www.4hydroponics.com/grow_room/capxgc1.asp

pricey but it controlls everything. AM i correct that it monitors the co2 level and dispurses automaticly?
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I got one of these- http://www.4hydroponics.com/grow_room/capCO2-4.asp
less pricey and the only thing it doesn't do is the pump timer but those only cost $80. I also figure the all-in-one units have more of a chance of just part failing, like just the relay for the fans, or the one for the pumps.
Also, I'm looking at the XGC-1 specs and I don't think this integrates with the PPM-1c where the timers are bypassed in order to control the fans based on PPM level.

Look at the difference between the PPM-1c and the PPM-3. The PPM-1c is the preferred unit but you need a Co2-2, Co2-4, or a CGC-1 to use it to its full potential.
 
StinkBud

StinkBud

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hehehemann said:
Question regarding CO2

I am going to be using the $4 CO2 bottle system to increase the CO2 in the grow room. Running out the top of each bottle I will have a line of plastic aquarium tubing to ensure no 'bubbles' can leak. My question is how best to direct the CO2 to the plants.

I could ..

1. Run the CO2 directly behind a fan directed at the plants? As CO2 is heavier than air the fan should suck in the CO2 and throw it to the leaves.

2. Run the aquarium tubing directly into the neoprene collars? Will the plants benefit more from CO2 at the roots?

Any further idea's or advice?
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I only recommend a 20gal tanks system. It cost about $17 to fill and lasts 2 weeks. Anything else is not worth your time.

Roots don't take in CO2, they take in Oxygen. The leaves take in the CO2 through their stomata.

You can run the CO2 tubing to a fan or you can also buy hose made just for distributing CO2. It's thin neoprene tubing with a bunch of little holes. That's what I use. I run the hose up high around the perimeter of the room.
 
repvip

repvip

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CO2 has been treating me well! I don't have an environmental controller for my CO2 controller, but I would definitely recommend both.

CO2 in my neck of the woods runs $45 for a 20lb swap! :cuss:
I heard fire extinguisher places can refill CO2 tanks?

Anyway, this is the first crop that's had CO2 and it's only been 7 weeks--they look more mature than the stuff I harvested at 8 weeks! Pretty much all of the hairs are brown with swollen calyx... very nice!


Oh yeah.. the LED is working alright. Just as I feared--not as much coverage as they boast, but I am impressed with the tight growth and decent bud formation... at least for the plants directly under the light, haha. I sincerely believe if I had 3 more of these all of my worries would be gone. I think it is comparable to a 600w HPS... though keep in mind I wouldn't expect much penetration:hump: so you see why I set up the scrog.

Also, it's only been 5 days--maybe a bit less.. 4.5 or so... definitely slow growth for the small plants on the right :( but healthy and no stretching...

Last post for comparison...
 

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repvip

repvip

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mindphuk said:
Here you go Dirt http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=220382259791

Use the instructions here http://www.gardenscure.com/420/construction/103932-diy-wiring-telaire-co2-monitor.html

and you have a good deal on a controller
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mindphuk

those are wiring instructions for the PC communicating cable... not going to help.

I already posted a link for a way to wire these.
Can't afford a CO2 ppm monitor?


It is similar to the andyman timer because you need a contactor/relay to switch voltage from 24v to 120v for your CO2 appliance.

save a few bucks people :hump:
 
repvip

repvip

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mindphuk said:
psst! Scroll down.:peace:
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well shit I stand corrected! Sorry bro!

I still don't understand how running 120v through the teleaire doesn't fry it.... but then again I'm no electrician!

oh.. I see. That's the piggyback cord for the CO2 device. I was concerned how the telaire was powered, but they already come with a 24vdc power supply hahahah
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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repvip said:
well shit I stand corrected! Sorry bro!

I still don't understand how running 120v through the teleaire doesn't fry it.... but then again I'm no electrician!

oh.. I see. That's the piggyback cord for the CO2 device. I was concerned how the telaire was powered, but they already come with a 24vdc power supply hahahah
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The hardest thing about this build is finding the power supply. I found a few plugs that work as quick disconnects to make a PPM-1c without needing to pull apart a PC power supply.
 
repvip

repvip

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mindphuk said:
The hardest thing about this build is finding the power supply. I found a few plugs that work as quick disconnects to make a PPM-1c without needing to pull apart a PC power supply.
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I think it's a great idea! Extension cords work great to cut up--I've rewired a few ballasts with those and it works easier than pulling apart a power supply haha

It's perfect how you can connect your computer and control the ppm setpoint and whatnot with it! Very cool.
 
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LionsRoor

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repvip said:
CO2 has been treating me well! I don't have an environmental controller for my CO2 controller, but I would definitely recommend both.

CO2 in my neck of the woods runs $45 for a 20lb swap! :cuss:
I heard fire extinguisher places can refill CO2 tanks?

Anyway, this is the first crop that's had CO2 and it's only been 7 weeks--they look more mature than the stuff I harvested at 8 weeks! Pretty much all of the hairs are brown with swollen calyx... very nice!


Oh yeah.. the LED is working alright. Just as I feared--not as much coverage as they boast, but I am impressed with the tight growth and decent bud formation... at least for the plants directly under the light, haha. I sincerely believe if I had 3 more of these all of my worries would be gone. I think it is comparable to a 600w HPS... though keep in mind I wouldn't expect much penetration:hump: so you see why I set up the scrog.

Also, it's only been 5 days--maybe a bit less.. 4.5 or so... definitely slow growth for the small plants on the right :( but healthy and no stretching...

Last post for comparison...
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Yeah Rep! Wow - looks choice!
 
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LionsRoor

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DIRTHAWKER said:
yellowing leaves dry and brittle. 5 weeks in flower.

The room environment has been good..under 60% RH
65 deg at night 85deg day...

co2 starvation? my first few harvests were lush and green without co2, but i did have the vent fan on 24/7 before i added the co2. now it just comes on 4 times a day before co2 injection.

fungus?
maybe a deficiency?
or salt buildup?

Im due for a res change....will this help? should i flush before adding nutes?
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Hey Dirt - were you running your room at 85 during the day before you had CO2? Are overlapping leaves ever moist in the morning? This is a long shot: But when you drop the temp quickly more than 20 degrees - you can sometimes have excessive humidity - water builds up on the leaves and leaches the nitrogen - hence the yellowing color... the leaves dry rather quickly with the lights and fans and AC and get brittle and dry on the edges... If you aren't there right when the lights go on you may miss the excessive moisture on the leaves... Again, a long shot! I've never had one come in - but I keep tryin'! I love to learn the answer to these riddles of nature!
 
StinkBud

StinkBud

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repvip said:
CO2 has been treating me well! I don't have an environmental controller for my CO2 controller, but I would definitely recommend both.

CO2 in my neck of the woods runs $45 for a 20lb swap! :cuss:
I heard fire extinguisher places can refill CO2 tanks?

Anyway, this is the first crop that's had CO2 and it's only been 7 weeks--they look more mature than the stuff I harvested at 8 weeks! Pretty much all of the hairs are brown with swollen calyx... very nice!


Oh yeah.. the LED is working alright. Just as I feared--not as much coverage as they boast, but I am impressed with the tight growth and decent bud formation... at least for the plants directly under the light, haha. I sincerely believe if I had 3 more of these all of my worries would be gone. I think it is comparable to a 600w HPS... though keep in mind I wouldn't expect much penetration:hump: so you see why I set up the scrog.

Also, it's only been 5 days--maybe a bit less.. 4.5 or so... definitely slow growth for the small plants on the right :( but healthy and no stretching...

Last post for comparison...
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Looking good! Love the photos!

It's hard to beat an HPS light for penetration. 600s are great but I'm always amazed by my 2-1000W lights.

2 x 140,000 lumens feels just like daylight! The light penetrates all the way to the bottom of the plants. The growth rate has to be seen to be believed.
 
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DIRTHAWKER

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LionsRoor said:
Hey Dirt - were you running your room at 85 during the day before you had CO2? Are overlapping leaves ever moist in the morning? This is a long shot: But when you drop the temp quickly more than 20 degrees - you can sometimes have excessive humidity - water builds up on the leaves and leaches the nitrogen - hence the yellowing color... the leaves dry rather quickly with the lights and fans and AC and get brittle and dry on the edges... If you aren't there right when the lights go on you may miss the excessive moisture on the leaves... Again, a long shot! I've never had one come in - but I keep tryin'! I love to learn the answer to these riddles of nature!
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Yea this is a riddle i would love to figure out.

A few days ago i set my co2 to pump at 5 cfh... just to use up the co2 i had left in the tank. remember its been set at just under 2 for the last month. Well guess what its still not empty! Maybe i got lucky and found the only neverending co2 tank in the world...lol


I just dont get it!!

what happends to your guys tank when it is empty? and can you have too much co2 in the room?

i keep trippin in the twilight zone.
In disbelief i unhook the regulator and open the valve and sure enough... its blowin loud.

maybe i really did get a never ending tank? :?
 
whysohigh

whysohigh

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im going to be adding another dark room tent to my grow op, im going to use it for drying out the bud, whats an ideal temp and humidity to keep it at?
 
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valmeida

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stink,
I started your system with a 1000W which I had and i bought a couple of 600W lights. I have the 1000w over 1 system and the 600w over the 2nd system and I have to admit the 1000w gives out so much more light. my room is 9x6. Although I have another new 600w waiting for the the 3rd system I am really thinking about selling both 600's and buying another 1000w. Do you think my room is too big for (2) 1000W's? I was planning on selling the 1000 and doing the (4) 600's like you suggested but I am confused now..... Anybody out there already running 3 systems with 4 600's and is it producint well?????? Decisions Decisions...
 
dagobaker

dagobaker

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4 600 would probably b best. But if ur on an electric budget I bet 4 400s would do a great job too
And 400s cost 16$ to replace. Get them at home depot
 
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