Harvest a Pound Every Three Weeks!

holmes said:

thank you, the information and links helped.

how much noise do you think those large eco pumps make?

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Not as loud as the waterfalls they are gonna make!!

no, seriously! All I hear from my unit is an audible CLICK as the contactor connects, faint whrrrrrr almost unoticable... and then.. drip drip drip.. pour gush! For 1 minute. Of course this is downstairs... the draining water is pretty loud.

Damn stinkies! This thread really is watched like a hawk! Can't get a word in edgewise peace out.

lion! i thought you was talking about you dont have to use nutes lol, i was like wow this setup is clean!

hehe

repvip said:

Hah! I was just thinking the same thing

Nice link to Earl's post though! Earl seems to know a lot! In fact his 6 pic down gave me a GREAT idea. He is using net pots that have the bottom half cut off.. just to hold neoprene inserts in place. SB throws his net pots out after using because they are sooooo stretched. Maybe I can cut the bottoms off and resuse for clone chambers... then after roots pop, I can place the clone in a new 2"pot that will hold the roots... if that makes sense...

I have a picture of what it does! Somewhere.. ok the center front plant I did this same idea with (and the two plants directly behind to the left and right) and notice how the roots are? Instead of 2-4 root tips growing out from the net pot you get 20-40!

It probably doesn't make a difference... whatsoever... but I love how it looks man! Root explosion.

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by the time my roots were that size(about 3weeks) they turned brown from water temps being over 75, i need to know with all those watts and lumens how are you guys not worried about high rez temps? i had to change out a 1000w to a 400, i like to keep my space at around 85F so i can fully utilize my co2 injection, all this success and im jealous and ready to nix themy homeade aero cus im afraid of brown roots, i been using hygrozyme and its working perfectly, i will attempt to go with the aero with some clones in another space i cleare out and see what happens with 75F rez temps with hygrozyme and going soil pots under my 1000w....what are your rez temps??

holmes said:

how do you determine the pump you will need based on the number of misters?
im trying to calculate what pump will supply 48 misters with pressure

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Im using those 360 spray heads that have a moveing sprinkler head. it was all I could get at the time but they say on the bag that they take 25 gph. but 20 gph seems to work fine. the more power you have the finer the mist and the more O2 gets in the water.

so if the mister is 25 gph,
does that mean you would need a 100 gph pump to run 4 misters?
well plus some to account for pressure lost through pipes and stuff

holmes said:

so if the mister is 25 gph,
does that mean you would need a 100 gph pump to run 4 misters?
well plus some to account for pressure lost through pipes and stuff

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My 190 gph pump drives 10 spray heads in my cloner just fine, but a little more power would make a finer mist.

bubblerking said:

how close are your lights to your plants ? also look at stinkbuds plants on page 1 notice how you can see every bud your garden is being choked out a little i too have had this happen you need to clear the lower branches that arnt going to give you anything because they are in the dark then all the energy will go to the bigger branches you also need to pluck some of the leaves off that are shading alot of the buds this is were netting helps tremendiously it spreads the branches right from the start but hey for your first time you are a rock star keep up the great work peace bro

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Thanks bro for the analysis.

I have been contimplating this for some time now.
I figured it was a combination of a few things such as what you said "shaded lower branches" lack of co2, my nutrient regiment has been way low beacuse i didnt account for such a high tap ppm.etc. I always look at stinks and others plants and wondered how my plants that are thriving and growing like crazy didt have the fat pronounced buds like i thought they should.

If you look at stinks buds in the first pic you see how they are just bursting!! look at the main cola on my ak47 in the 2nd pic. This main cola is about 16 inches from the light, i thought it would be huge,, but its not.
Then i looked more closely and saw that there was 3-4 other shoots from the same plant with colas, some even bigger then the main one. This is the case with my whole garden. This is textbook 101. Stinks buds in that first pic are so big beacuse they are the only colas or close to it. The 3rd pic is the cheese..it is the biggest cola. I only have one cheese in that unit and there is 9 smaller colas from that one plant. Cheese is turning out to be the biggest yielder out of the 4 strains.

The question really comes down to would the yield be bigger if i started to flower the plants smaller and trimmed the lower branches? or just let the beast grow?

I will find out soon enough.

are the ball adapters threaded i got the unthreaded this is what i got. I want the same as the design i will exchange tonight when i get the fence posts the lenth of the fence post was what? 72" 2 of them at home depot? the garden hose adapter is plastic it looks like i got the brass one i will exchange. how long do you cut the fence posts i missed that part? i found another pump i had 296gph i will try it if it don't work i will just buy the 396 when i order. i will get the fence and other stuff tonight. thanks just need fence measurments and the ball valve question. i picked up some floro at home depot they had a great deal 20 bucks total for 2 doulble tubed 48" floro i got 1 cool 40 watt and 1 warm 40 watt in each one. Should work good for clones. I already have 3 400 watt hid lights

are the ball adapters threaded i got the unthreaded this is what i got. I want the same as the design i will exchange tonight when i get the fence posts the lenth of the fence post was what? 72" 2 of them at home depot? the garden hose adapter is plastic it looks like i got the brass one i will exchange. how long do you cut the fence posts i missed that part? i found another pump i had 296gph i will try it if it don't work i will just buy the 396 when i order. i will get the fence and other stuff tonight. thanks just need fence measurments and the ball valve question. i picked up some floro at home depot they had a great deal 20 bucks total for 2 doulble tubed 48" floro i got 1 cool 40 watt and 1 warm 40 watt in each one. Should work good for clones. I already have 3 400 watt hid lights propane for c02

hey dirt:
I am having this same debate with my friend we are both growing the same strain from the same supplier. He loves to flower later, and let his girls bush out, I have always prefered to flower on the early side and lollipop my girls. In my new grow I have the ability to do side by side experimentation on the subject, which will start on my next batch I move over to flower. I plan on first letting a whole batch veg for the same time and then bushing half of that batch to see the diff at same veg but lollipop vs bush. Then I'm going to hold off say, 10 babies and let them veg for 1 week longer and then bush them, while i lollipop the rest of the batch, then repeat that experiment but do the opposite with the 10 and lollipop them vs the rest of the batch being bushy. I plan to keep everything else the same or as close as possible, nutes, temps, co2 duration etc... I suggest you do something similar so we can compare and get an answer on this subject! cause....wait for it.........knowing is half the battle...go joe!! lol

DIRTHAWKER said:

The question really comes down to would the yield be bigger if i started to flower the plants smaller and trimmed the lower branches? or just let the beast grow?

I will find out soon enough.

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I trim the lower branches when I take clones. If there is any crappy leaves and branches I pull those too.

I do leave a lot of the big branches though. You would be surprised how much bud they will produce.

When the plants start to get out of control I tie a few bread ties together and pull all the branches in. Then I wrap the bread ties around the plant and attach the plant to the PVC supports with more ties.

CO2 will add at least 25% to your harvest. It will also make the stems thicker and buds denser.

One of the main advantages of CO2 is it allows you to run your room temp at 85 degrees. This really speeds up the plants metabolism and causes them to grow faster.

We are warm blooded animals and have a set metabolic rate. Some animals (and all plants) metabolic rate is controlled by ambient temperatures. That's why lizards sun themselves on rocks, it warms their blood and helps to speed them up.

Same thing with plants. The plants metabolic rate is determined by the ambient temps. The thing is if the temps get to hot the plant closes it's stomata to decrease water loss. CO2 allows the plants to continue respiration even at high temps.

CO2 took me from 12 oz. per harvest to over 16 oz.

It looks like your flush is starting to work. It's cool to watch all the colors the plants turn.

holmes said:

how do you determine the pump you will need based on the number of misters?
im trying to calculate what pump will supply 48 misters with pressure

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Go to any major hardware store.

There you will find a 1250 GPH sump pump. It's under $100. You may want to plumb a filter into the system as the pump dosen't have one like the Ecoplus pumps do.

Use one of the filters they use on the lawn sprayer systems.

This is what I had on my first system and it worked great with 36 misters. It should handle 48 with no problems.

Good luck bro!

StinkBud said:

I trim the lower branches when I take clones. If there is any crappy leaves and branches I pull those too.

I do leave a lot of the big branches though. You would be surprised how much bud they will produce.

When the plants start to get out of control I tie a few bread ties together and pull all the branches in. Then I wrap the bread ties around the plant and attach the plant to the PVC supports with more ties.

CO2 will add at least 25% to your harvest. It will also make the stems thicker and buds denser.

One of the main advantages of CO2 is it allows you to run your room temp at 85 degrees. This really speeds up the plants metabolism and causes them to grow faster.

We are warm blooded animals and have a set metabolic rate. Some animals (and all plants) metabolic rate is controlled by ambient temperatures. That's why lizards sun themselves on rocks, it warms their blood and helps to speed them up.

Same thing with plants. The plants metabolic rate is determined by the ambient temps. The thing is if the temps get to hot the plant closes it's stomata to decrease water loss. CO2 allows the plants to continue respiration even at high temps.

CO2 took me from 12 oz. per harvest to over 16 oz.

It looks like your flush is starting to work. It's cool to watch all the colors the plants turn.

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I allready have the co2 tanks but nothin else. what would you buy to control them if you know what you know nowkiss-ass. also is co2 flamible? My room is a 2 story (veg/clone upstairs and bloom downstairs) I was just wondering if anything could spark and set it off.
thanks

Also wondering how the lines run if they point down on the plants or up. does the co2 go to the bottom of the floor (is it lighter than air) or does it stay in the air. the reason im trying to figure out this is cause my flower room isnt done yet and im putting ventalation in. im going to have it reseculate the air in the room through a hepa filter cause in the clone room im putting in a seperate closet to do my fungi in. they use up fresh air and make CO2 so i want to circulate the air before I vent it for some free co2 also. the fungi will help the herb and vice versa. Ive been growing fungi from spores for years and making all my own spore prints. works great and the grow room should just improve it.

morrisgreenberg said:

by the time my roots were that size(about 3weeks) they turned brown from water temps being over 75, i need to know with all those watts and lumens how are you guys not worried about high rez temps? i had to change out a 1000w to a 400, i like to keep my space at around 85F so i can fully utilize my co2 injection, all this success and im jealous and ready to nix themy homeade aero cus im afraid of brown roots, i been using hygrozyme and its working perfectly, i will attempt to go with the aero with some clones in another space i cleare out and see what happens with 75F rez temps with hygrozyme and going soil pots under my 1000w....what are your rez temps??

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I keep my flower room at 85 degrees and the water feels cold to the touch. The pump only runs one minute out of five though. The spraying helps cool the water also.

We use Liquid Karma during the veg and flower stage. It causes the roots to turn dark brown. Not to be confused with root funk.

If you read the thread you will see the biggest problem the StinkBuddies are having is the plants grow too fast or large. So far I've seen a 100% success rate from all my pupils/friends. They make me proud!!!!

HEY offgrid, and stink.. dude i cant hold my babies back..LOL if i could slow my plants in veg down i would.. they are already 16 inches tall and i still have 10 days before they can get moved into flower. From now on i am gonna take new cuttings way later so they dont get so huge... at this point i have about 4 flower systems that are gonna be on the bigger side.. after that if i can slow everything down then maybe i can do a smaller lolipop type experiment...

Also would it be wise to go ahead and trim the remaining flower units leaves? I mean get in there if i can and trim up all the lower branches..i will have to wait until the one unit thats flushing is done so i can have some room. what do ya think?
stink, offgrid, anyone?

actually there might be a problem with trimming this late.. the ones in flower are only 2 weeks apart (beacuse they grew so fast) when im done flushing unit one its time for unit 2 to strat the flush and so on..but unit 3 will have 4 weeks to go after i remove the first flushed unit TO GIVE ME ROOM TO WORK, so is that enought time?


I THINK BEACUSE IM RUNNING 24/7 LIGHTS IN THE VEG AND CLONE UNITS IS THE REASON THEY ARE GROWIN SO DAM FAST. I LOVE IT.
sorry if its confusing...
I LOVE THIS CLASS...

andyman said:

I allready have the co2 tanks but nothin else. what would you buy to control them if you know what you know nowkiss-ass. also is co2 flamible? My room is a 2 story (veg/clone upstairs and bloom downstairs) I was just wondering if anything could spark and set it off.
thanks

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CO2 is a non flammable gas. It's what you breath out of your lungs so it's pretty safe.

Your room has to be completely sealed. This usually means you have to vent your lights from outside your room and use sealed reflectors.

Your humidity will climb without ventilation so you will need a dehumidifer also.

Go to this site http://www.hydroponics.net/learn/co2_calculator.asp

Put in your specs and figure out how much CO2 you will need to fill your room. Buy a cheap 15 min timer and set your CO2 to come on 3-4 times during the day.

You will need a CO2 regulator/soleniod. They cost about $150.

The best (expensive) way is to use a CO2 sensor that controls the regulator.

great thanks, were does the co2 come out at? Above the plants spraying down or up or side to side
thanks

only adding the co2 after the first couple harvest as I can afford

Stinkbud i know u are very busy but if there is ne way u can stop by my thread and check my violator kush out and give me some pointers it would be highly appreciated. The thread is in my signature and i have like 20 pics on the 2nd to last page. I love what u do and how u help the people in need. +Rep and hope u stop by

DIRTHAWKER said:

HEY offgrid, and stink.. dude i cant hold my babies back..LOL if i could slow my plants in veg down i would.. they are already 16 inches tall and i still have 10 days before they can get moved into flower. From now on i am gonna take new cuttings way later so they dont get so huge... at this point i have about 4 flower systems that are gonna be on the bigger side.. after that if i can slow everything down then maybe i can do a smaller lolipop type experiment...

Also would it be wise to go ahead and trim the remaining flower units leaves? I mean get in there if i can and trim up all the lower branches..i will have to wait until the one unit thats flushing is done so i can have some room. what do ya think?
stink, offgrid, anyone?

actually there might be a problem with trimming this late.. the ones in flower are only 2 weeks apart (beacuse they grew so fast) when im done flushing unit one its time for unit 2 to strat the flush and so on..but unit 3 will have 4 weeks to go after i remove the first flushed unit TO GIVE ME ROOM TO WORK, so is that enought time?

sorry if its confusing...
I LOVE THIS CLASS...

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I use all those lower leaves and popcorn buds to make bubble hash. I just made the purest bubble you could ever imagine.

I used fresh green leaf instead of waiting for it to dry first. There is virtually no fiber in the hash what so ever.

The hash ended up being just one big gooey ball of pure resin that bubbles when you smoke it.

Go to Fleabay and pick yourself up some cheap bubble bags. You will need them soon! Also pick up some 5 gallon paint buckets from HD next time you're there.

Soon you will be the first StinkBuddy Bubble Boy!!! (say that three times real fast).