Guerrilla grow: Seed vs. Clone; which is better?

If one were to grow outside, a guerilla grow in specific, which would do the fellow best in terms of: the highest yield, overall needed growing time, and have the ability to be unkept for a week or two constantly?

i did a similiar thread and my conclusion with everyone insight was clones are better if you trust the mother plant. you know its female and when iys a seedling there very tender.

From seed you get higher yield. It all depends on if you want to gamble with males.

All depends on how long you veg indoors before moving them outdoors.
I've had best results with clones.
Reason is because of different pheno's you get with seeds.
Unless you get expensive seeds with the same pheno's yeild wise.

Example.
I had 10 Nirvana Northernlights last year.
2 were close to a lb each.
2 were about half lb each.
5 were shit.

If that had been the BC bubblegum clones I grew the year before,I woulda probably had 10 all the same yeild,which were about three quarter of a lb.

From seed it grows faster is more disease resistant and more hardy. Clones finish a week or two faster than from seed and are garanteed female.

grokillaz said:

From seed it grows faster is more disease resistant and more hardy. Clones finish a week or two faster than from seed and are garanteed female.

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Agreed. .

grokillaz said:

From seed it grows faster is more disease resistant and more hardy. Clones finish a week or two faster than from seed and are garanteed female.

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Not for me,clones didn't finish a week or so earlier with the strains I tried.

It was just the opposite.
Seeds seem to finish earlier.

Just my two cents from personal experience using both ways....

You'll have a higher survivability rate using clones or pre-vegged and hardened-off seedlings brought out to your plot (as opposed to seeds).

I've found the toughest part for any plant is the seedling stage, outdoors in a guerrilla application especially.

Guerrilla growing is way different than just outdoor growing in your backyard. More to worry about, with less ability to quickly fix/adjust to conditions (unless you're living close/near to your guerrilla grow).

On the other hand, it's more risky/stressful (to you and the seedlings...hehe) to be bringing seedlings out to your guerrilla location...especially if you have to hump them in several miles, over tough terrain.

I think you could have a lot of success directly planting in a guerrilla application, but certain conditions must be set. Firstly, drainage is very important. If you have seedlings that just stew in mucky water for weeks on end, without the ability to self-drain, their growth will obviously be stunted.

Just make sure you understand any slopes you're dealing with, and the angles of rain runoff.

A second recommendation would be to build a raised-bed(s) if possible. This would elevate it a bit, providing drainage and a little protection from critters at ground level.

Insects/critters (like deer/rabbits/etc) are another huge enemy to a young seedling. Fresh green food is right up the ally of most any struggling animal/insect just trying to survive.

I'd strongly recommend at least a simple deer netting (if possible in your guerrilla setup). No matter if you plant seeds directly, or bring out clones/pre-vegged seedlings, it'll save you.

Here's one I've been very successful with, and I literally see deer outside my plots every time I go out to check on them:



http://www.amazon.com/Easy-Gardener-.../dp/B000A286YU

The deer scatter and run away when I start walking out to the plants, yet my plots are protected because the deer can't get around my fencing. It's also difficult to see the fencing from a distance (heck, it's hard to see the fencing when you're 20 feet away even).

I have used dog hair for deer forever, and it has never failed me, maybe once in all this time I had deer damage, but not from eating, I think a deer actually ran into one of the girls, and there was minimal damage, just a little bending. As for seeds or clones, if you don't have alot of time to sex when preflower time comes around, definitely clones. Different strains preflower at different times, so you pretty much have to get out and check and pull the dudes every day until sexing is complete, and if you miss a bunch of time, you could return to find a banana tree dude standing between all your ladies

peacenikchick said:

I have used dog hair for deer forever, and it has never failed me, maybe once in all this time I had deer damage, but not from eating, I think a deer actually ran into one of the girls, and there was minimal damage, just a little bending. As for seeds or clones, if you don't have alot of time to sex when preflower time comes around, definitely clones. Different strains preflower at different times, so you pretty much have to get out and check and pull the dudes every day until sexing is complete, and if you miss a bunch of time, you could return to find a banana tree dude standing between all your ladies

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Hair might work for some deer populations, but don't put too much stock in what placing hair on the ground will provide as far as protection.

If deer are really hungry (and it's early in the year when many plants haven't come up yet) some green cannabis seedlings will look pretty good to them.

A little hair might dissuade a few deer, but the really hungry ones will take the risk of a foreign smell, and invade and eat your plants.

A fence is a fence; not only will it protect from deer, but other critters that aren't deterred from a little hair/urine.

For me, I'll be using seeds outdoors. That's because I'm growing all Dr. Greenthumb strains, and they are all feminized seeds (The Dr. Fems with silver instead of a hermied plant, so there's not really a risk of hermieing.). Actually, I've never seen a grow journal where one of the doc's fems DID hermie! He's gone so far to say that they have a 0% chance of hermieing. Anyways, that's just my two cents, based on my own plan of action.

Just my two cents from personal experience, but dog hair has never failed me, and I am in highly populated whitetail deer area. Maybe its because my plants are never outside that early (there is always other vegetation for them to eat on by the time my plants are out) The problem with a fence for me is that it is a fence. If you're worried about stealth at all, a fence would be alot easier to notice by a surprise hunter traveling through the woods. But they could walk right past a plant, with dog hair scattered about and not even notice it. I agree that a fence is the most reliable, it's just not practical for me to put something manmade in the middle of the bushes where nothing manmade exists

peacenikchick said:

Just my two cents from personal experience, but dog hair has never failed me, and I am in highly populated whitetail deer area. Maybe its because my plants are never outside that early (there is always other vegetation for them to eat on by the time my plants are out) The problem with a fence for me is that it is a fence. If you're worried about stealth at all, a fence would be alot easier to notice by a surprise hunter traveling through the woods. But they could walk right past a plant, with dog hair scattered about and not even notice it. I agree that a fence is the most reliable, it's just not practical for me to put something manmade in the middle of the bushes where nothing manmade exists

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You should take a second look at the link that I posted, with the deer netting that I use.

Like I said, you can't see it 20 feet away.

Yes I understand that it works well for you, I am just not willing to take a chance with putting up a fence and hoping the hunters don't come within 20 feet of it. Especially not since dog hair has never failed me, and if spotted, would be passed off as something natural. This is simply my opinion and from my experience. Hunters around here wouldn't know a pot plant if it slapped them in the face, but are quite familiar with fencing I'm sure. I respect your opinion, and this is my opinion.

Dominathan said:

For me, I'll be using seeds outdoors. That's because I'm growing all Dr. Greenthumb strains, and they are all feminized seeds (The Dr. Fems with silver instead of a hermied plant, so there's not really a risk of hermieing.). Actually, I've never seen a grow journal where one of the doc's fems DID hermie! He's gone so far to say that they have a 0% chance of hermieing. Anyways, that's just my two cents, based on my own plan of action.

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Agreed, the Dr. told me the same thing, he said there is no way that his fem will herm. Now from what I have studied, clones stand a chance if stressed enough to go into flowering early. This is why I spend the money to buy fem seeds. When you look at the price, it is pretty cheap. What if you get 70% male and have to chop them. But remember I am fairly new to gu growing, but I have done alot of reasearch. Start with fem seeds, start indoors for a bit, then harden them off before going directly to the grow spot. Good Luck

thanks for the input thus far, IM ENJOYING THE CHANGE IVE GOTTEN(from everyones two cents haha) lol.i got about ten seeds from a friend who found them in a big bag of club shake that he bought. for me, my gu spot is one of the best...its fenced off with almost prison grade razor wire, heavily wooded and untouched-hundreds of acres too. i cant give too much info, but bcuz it is RARLY checked up on, not like ppl walking around this forest, they just drive around the fence on the road..anyways Im trying to tell yall that im planting 2 or 3 on one of the islands inthis big pond there, and im trying to set up a water pump system to either... a resivior which will then dip to the plants, or just straight up pump to drip on the plants--WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK WOULD BE BEST? also, that rasied bed is a great idea, i will for sure be trying that on a few, but idk if ill be able to build and carry in as many beds as there will be beds bcuz im also going to be buying about 5, just under a foot tall when it will b time to transplant, cuttings from a friend. and FYI yes i will be growing the seeds up b4 they go outside, im not still a newb.. but thank you for the info about seeds vs. veged seeds vs. clones PS-ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT TO ANYTHING:SECURITY,WATERING, HOW TO BRING ALL THE SUPPLIES AND BABYS IN, ECT---WILL BE GREATLY APPRICIATED!!!

to do a guerrilla grow properly, You have to get those bastards way back there, and that makes clones difficult.

what do you mean by hardening them off, and how do you do it?

redking11 said:

what do you mean by hardening them off, and how do you do it?

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hardeding them off means gradually bring the lil plants outside for a few hours during their light time(best done on a sunny day when the sun is brightest and highest in the sky)
by bringing them outside it exposes them to more of nature:the wind blowing them, natural sunlight, bugs and stuff..to esentially make them stronger and more resilient.
if u just bring them outside one day without hardening them off you will most likly put them in shock