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ncjeepin

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other than starting my seeds and clones indoors under a grow tube, I am an outdoor grower. The last couple of years i have lost over 80% of crops due to rips,cops,weather,animals, etc....I do not have my own land where i can protect my investment I am forced to seek other ways, atleast for now..

I know of a 2bedroom trailer available for $450 a month up in the country..i would like to rent this place out and start a decent sized grow op..The problem is I really don't know how much to expect per plant under how much light indoors...outdoors i could get anywhere from a 1/2 lb to 1lb per plant i know that is not true of indoors.

i'd like to get around 2lbs per month give or take.

basically, how do i accomplish this indoors?

thanks
 
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abudsmoker

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ncjeepin said:
other than starting my seeds and clones indoors under a grow tube, I am an outdoor grower. The last couple of years i have lost over 80% of crops due to rips,cops,weather,animals, etc....I do not have my own land where i can protect my investment I am forced to seek other ways, atleast for now..

I know of a 2bedroom trailer available for $450 a month up in the country..i would like to rent this place out and start a decent sized grow op..The problem is I really don't know how much to expect per plant under how much light indoors...outdoors i could get anywhere from a 1/2 lb to 1lb per plant i know that is not true of indoors.

i'd like to get around 2lbs per month give or take.

basically, how do i accomplish this indoors?

thanks
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sounds like you will exceed the normal electric bills at this house. to pull 2 lbs a month you will need 4000 or so watts. most indoor plants will net about 2 oz or about 1 1/4 lbs per meter. this is just a guideline but also a realistic goal.

how how about all the cash for this hardware.???
 
chronicle

chronicle

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ncjeepin said:
other than starting my seeds and clones indoors under a grow tube, I am an outdoor grower. The last couple of years i have lost over 80% of crops due to rips,cops,weather,animals, etc....I do not have my own land where i can protect my investment I am forced to seek other ways, atleast for now..

I know of a 2bedroom trailer available for $450 a month up in the country..i would like to rent this place out and start a decent sized grow op..The problem is I really don't know how much to expect per plant under how much light indoors...outdoors i could get anywhere from a 1/2 lb to 1lb per plant i know that is not true of indoors.

i'd like to get around 2lbs per month give or take.

basically, how do i accomplish this indoors?

thanks
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in order to seriously achieve 2lbs/month, you're going to need atleast 2 1000watt HPS (preferably switchable) and 2 light movers. you can set up 2 huge patches of herb and have the light movers do their job on 30 second intervals. my buddy did 1 1000watt HPS + light mover and got about a pound off roughly 20 plants. in all honesty, you might be setting your sights too high for a first indoor grow - especially considering how much you're going to have to spend; two 1000watts are gonna be around $600 and then you have to factor in soil and nutrients for 50 plants. yikes, id get a single 1000watt hps + light mover and try to do about 20 plants. the thing is, with a light mover the buds might be fluffier and less dense. so youll average 1-2oz per plant. this is all subject to vary though, i agree with the above poster on his recommendation of 4 1000watts if you dont use the light mover.
 
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well as far as the money goes either way i have to buy the soil, guano, crystals, etc.... so that'll be the same...all the indoor equipment would just be an investment that i am ready to make.. 5-6k on equipment is not going to hurt. i will however be able to skip the manual labor of digging 25 2'sft holes which is a HUGE plus, like i said i have been growing outdoor for quite some time, but times are changing....

what i am thinking about is what budsmoker said about drawing too much power in a 2br trailer..i do not plan on living there so it will only be a grow house... what kind of places do you guys recommend to do these grows?? commercial? say maybe rent out a garage or something? but then i would think 4000W consumption at 3AM would stand out..

My goal is to set something up away from my house. Have it be completely automated. i would only want to have to visit once a week or so. people say hydro is better for this..i personally would rather grow in soil but i would try organic hydro alternatives...

so let's say instead of using 2 1000W in the flower room say 4x8 (? sounds like enough going by the comments) i use 3 600W 12/12 would that be good enough ?? in the veg/clone room say 2 400W 18/6 plus the clones would have their same setup i have now shelf system with grow tubes and humidity boxes.. these are just me thinking outloud
 
timfbmx

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Well get yourself 4 1000watters and about 50 clones and go to work man. If you got the funds go for it... post pics too
 
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timfbmx said:
Well get yourself 4 1000watters and about 50 clones and go to work man. If you got the funds go for it... post pics too
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have you read the thread? its not about the money, its the power consumption for a 2br trailer? 4000W may be too much...
 
timfbmx

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maybe you could find a good deal and invest on a nice lil generator then you wont even have an elec. bill
 
chronicle

chronicle

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ncjeepin said:
so let's say instead of using 2 1000W in the flower room say 4x8 (? sounds like enough going by the comments) i use 3 600W 12/12 would that be good enough ?? in the veg/clone room say 2 400W 18/6 plus the clones would have their same setup i have now shelf system with grow tubes and humidity boxes.. these are just me thinking outloud
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why would you buy 3 600watts instead of 2 1000watts? doesnt really make much sense considering how much you intend to grow. in the veg/clone room you can get away with 2 400watts or even one 600watt if theres like 15 plants (for VEG, not flower). but why would you only want to visit the grow spot once a week? first of all, a trailer is out of the question for any more than one 1000watt, the power consumption and overall sketchyness of the operation make it not worth it. running 4 1000watts in a trailer would definately result in a fire. you should use a basement, thats really the only thing i can think of - i use my bathroom :mrgreen: but seriously though, dont go buy 3 600watts when you could have 2 1000watts, you're buying an extra ballast for nothing - as well as missing out on 400 extra watts of juice. i wouldnt leave the plants unattended for a week til its time for nutrients though, but thats just me. i like keeping an eye on the operation, timers are trustworthy but 2 or 4 1000watts is the type of grow op you dont want to screw up.
 
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chronicle said:
why would you buy 3 600watts instead of 2 1000watts? doesnt really make much sense considering how much you intend to grow. in the veg/clone room you can get away with 2 400watts or even one 600watt if theres like 15 plants (for VEG, not flower). but why would you only want to visit the grow spot once a week? first of all, a trailer is out of the question for any more than one 1000watt, the power consumption and overall sketchyness of the operation make it not worth it. running 4 1000watts in a trailer would definately result in a fire. you should use a basement, thats really the only thing i can think of - i use my bathroom :mrgreen: but seriously though, dont go buy 3 600watts when you could have 2 1000watts, you're buying an extra ballast for nothing - as well as missing out on 400 extra watts of juice. i wouldnt leave the plants unattended for a week til its time for nutrients though, but thats just me. i like keeping an eye on the operation, timers are trustworthy but 2 or 4 1000watts is the type of grow op you dont want to screw up.
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no basements here :( i guess i could visit it more if needed.....ok so the trailer is out...now i have no problem renting out a house but that'll cost more and i will need to get every bit of the 2lbs. so i need a 4000W flower room, 1200W veg/ clone + everything else.. what kind of place could i rent out that wouldn't draw attention using that much power on set times??

i don't know for sure but from what i've read 3 600W gives more lumens and better economy that 2 1000W but i have no first hand knowledge of that...
 
chronicle

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McLovin420 said:
3 600 watt lights will cover more area than 2 1000 watters plus you can put them closer to the plant.
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true, but the buds wont be as dense as it would be under a 1000watt. since this guy is after quantity, you might be able to get more with 3 600 watts, but not if you use the light mover technique i spoke of earlier. putting 3 600watts on 3 individual light movers is alot tougher than setting up 2 - but they are both very acceptable methods

option 1.) 2 1000watts on 2 light movers
pro: quadruple the growing space
con: possible fluffy buds

option 2.) 3 600watts w/ no light movers
pro: possibly denser buds
con: alot less space to grow

id say you could get a huge stretch of herb under 2 light movers, i honestly dont know where you could grow all of this though - maybe rent out a small house w/ a basement and use an upper room for veg and the basement for flowering. you could also mix&match; maybe use 2 600watts on light movers or any other combo - check the faq for lumen/per square foot, i think you want somewhere around 100w/square foot.
 
email468

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1000w of light is pretty meaningless for a 4 x 10 room. Two 400w would be better in that situation.
 
chronicle

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email468 said:
1000w of light is pretty meaningless for a 4 x 10 room. Two 400w would be better in that situation.
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he's not gonna yield 2lbs/month w/ 2 400watts, although i do agree about the space. ncjeepin - you need a bigger room :mrgreen: big enough to handle 2 thousand watts or 3 600watts. to yield anywhere near 1lb/month youre gonna need around 20 plants, if you wanna set up a 1000watt or 2 600watts with a light mover you could maybe away with it..depending on various other factors, like nutrients. also, get hortilux-eye bulbs and kool bloom additives.
 
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chronicle said:
he's not gonna yield 2lbs/month w/ 2 400watts, although i do agree about the space. ncjeepin - you need a bigger room :mrgreen: big enough to handle 2 thousand watts or 3 600watts. to yield anywhere near 1lb/month youre gonna need around 20 plants, if you wanna set up a 1000watt or 2 600watts with a light mover you could maybe away with it..depending on various other factors, like nutrients. also, get hortilux-eye bulbs and kool bloom additives.
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i'm not set with 1000's, 600's, or even a 4x8 space.. i will rent a place to suit my needs, but it seems to grow 2lbs i'll need somewhere around 5000 watts i'm just trying to figure out where to grow this.. a house i guess would be the best bet but still 5000 watts for a house i think is gonna raise flags but again i have no idea...

what do they use if growing commercially? generators? (i could i guess bury the generator and use kinda like a 4wd snorkle to allow the engine to breathe.. but i think that will still be loud..maybe i should just stick with what i know... i have to look into laws and privacy policies and what not but how do you indoor guys sleep with all the risk in your house...

i am considering growing indoors if it can be safely grown on a somewhat larger scale, i am used to once a year 20+lbs at once so for me to grow indoors i would need atleast 2lbs per month at minimum is this safely possible..
 
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