Grow Room Floorplans. Here to help.
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phillipchristian
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I'll work on something for you but I don't think you will be able to fit 4 600w lights on your electrical. I'm almost sure you won't. You don't need 4 lights to do a perpetual. Especially since you are in soil. You just need plants at different stages of flower and veg. The lighting doesn't have to be seperate. You can also do a perpetual where you harvest half your plants every month. Anyway, there is no way you are getting 4 lights on that 1 outlet in that room woth all of the fans and other stuff you will need. Also, sounds like you will be using 1 gallon pots to do this. That means you will have smaller plants that will basically be a SOG. You can't grow big plants in those small pots. You will probably veg them for 1 week at the maximum before putting them into flower. How beg is the tray you will be using?Thanks for the reply Phillip. I have looked more in to a perpetual grow cycle and found a great link on this forum https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/6592-get-harvest-every-2-weeks.html. Its alot of pages and just started reading it but am liking the idea and would like your take on it. I was thinking 1 Msq tray with 25x3.4ltr square pots. Sorry to mess you about but taking this into consideration and how the guy has his perpetual grow cycle could you adjust the room/rooms accordingly. I will also read thoroughly through that thread and will update you with any relevant information. Just took into coinsideration that for this style cycle i will need 4 lighting systems so thats 4 x 600 watts. As you know i want to keep the power consumption and costing down. Have i hit a brick wall with trying a perpetual grow?
And from understanding what you are saying with the intakes/ventialtion i will be looking at 3 fans then one to draw in from the window, one to extract from the hoods through the attic and one connected to a carbon filter, is that right? Living in the UK the temperatures are never high sometimes we may get a few days of mid to low 20's (celcius) but the majority of the time its 10 celcius. Winter even colderSo taking this into account getting cold air into the room shouldnt be an issue should it and the need of an aircon unit shouldnt be needed? I will be looking at running the lights at night aswell and i would like to mention the temp at night here can get quite low to single figures, even on a hot day 20 celcius the temp can drop below 10 celcius in the night. Also from alot of grow diaries on a UK forum they use parabolic or open hoods would you still stay stick to the vented hoods as outside temperature rarely gets upto mid teens for any length of time. Im not contradicting you just making you aware of the temperatures so i can get the best setup ..
Lastly what are your suggestions for lighting them in Veg? i was looking at maxibright T5's 4' 8way possibly and what lights would you recommend for the mums.
Many thanks again and again
V
vertigo me
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Hows things Phil, been reading on that thread i linked you to basically since i posted the link bar a few J's to let things sink in. The guy used a 8x9 foot room and was using 3x3 trays with approx 20 pots of approx 7" dia. He was using 2x1000hps lights with large parabolic reflectors with a reflector thing to stop burn on closer plants. So basically 2 trays were covered by the one light. His grow medium was rockwool and rockwool floc. He says growing with soil is not a gd idea for costing and also with rockwool due to constantly potting its the ease of use and watering is easier. When he cuts his clones he keeps them under fluro light for around 10-12 days and then puts them straight into flower room.
As for the power in the room i can draw 20 Amps from the one double socket from my research and there is also another double socket directly out of the door that i could run a extension lead from etc. The size of the trays i was looking at were going to be 3x3.
What are your thoughts on this as i am looking at producing high yield in short time continually
I have to shoot out now but will read more into that thread and hopefully be more prepared
Many thanks
V
As for the power in the room i can draw 20 Amps from the one double socket from my research and there is also another double socket directly out of the door that i could run a extension lead from etc. The size of the trays i was looking at were going to be 3x3.
What are your thoughts on this as i am looking at producing high yield in short time continually
I have to shoot out now but will read more into that thread and hopefully be more prepared
Many thanks
V
Rrog
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I'm remodeling a house. Would like a small hidden room to grow just for my own use. Don't need a lot of space. Would like separate veg and flower rooms. Would have 9' ceilings. I can add whatever for power, water and waste.
I was initially thinking of a 8x10 Veg / work / Mother room and 6 x 10 Flower room. No CO2, and I'd plan to use 1000W HPS.
Do these dimensions seem OK?
I was initially thinking of a 8x10 Veg / work / Mother room and 6 x 10 Flower room. No CO2, and I'd plan to use 1000W HPS.
Do these dimensions seem OK?
1337hacker
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I'm getting an 18k BTU Minisplit and want to know how many watts I should run in my room in a closed system. I can vent the lights through the attic if need be, but it's hot here in the summer don't know if I will really be reaping any benefits or if I should just run them open...
The room is at maximum 11x11 (but I can limit the space if need be) and as I said we have extreme temps in the summers (temperate winters though don't need to heat)
I was thinking 3kw, but have an extra 400, 600 and 1kw on top of that so I could run 3400, 3600 or 4000watts
If I am adding it all up... I get :
3 x 4K BTU (for the 1000w lights) = 12000 BTU
1 x 2150 BTU (for the dehuey) = 2150 BTU
100 SQ ft x 40 btu / sqft (for ambient cooling)= 4000 BTU
total 18150 btu
roughly 18k BTU Right there... am I over doing it on the lights? Should I only be running like 2600 or something?
Thanks for the help
The room is at maximum 11x11 (but I can limit the space if need be) and as I said we have extreme temps in the summers (temperate winters though don't need to heat)
I was thinking 3kw, but have an extra 400, 600 and 1kw on top of that so I could run 3400, 3600 or 4000watts
If I am adding it all up... I get :
3 x 4K BTU (for the 1000w lights) = 12000 BTU
1 x 2150 BTU (for the dehuey) = 2150 BTU
100 SQ ft x 40 btu / sqft (for ambient cooling)= 4000 BTU
total 18150 btu
roughly 18k BTU Right there... am I over doing it on the lights? Should I only be running like 2600 or something?
Thanks for the help
phillipchristian
New Member
Seems fine to me; I can't really tell if I don't know what you are trying to put in there. You'll have plenty of extra room in your veg area for storage and workspace since it is bigger than your flower room. Try and design your rooms to fit the lights and plant layout you are going to have since you will be building your room. For example; if you want to use 2 1000w lights in your flower room then plan on a 5x10 area for your plant and then build around that while taking into account your need for other space to accomodate dehumidifiers, a/c units, reservoirs, fans, etc...
phillipchristian
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4,000btu per light if they are sufficiently air cooled and vented out of the room. More like 8,000btu if they are not vented. If you have extreme temps n the summer then I would make is 5,000btu for ambient cooling. These are the base requirements. Remeber that you will most likepy have other equipment in the room that produces heat. Plus you should oversize the unit based on these numbers. I would go with 24,000btu. Can't be that much more expensive and will be a lot more efficient as it won't have to run as much. You might find an 18,000btu unit running 24/7 to keep up.
phillipchristian
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8" hoods are a little more expensive and they let you move more air through them. You can cool a 1000w light in a 6" hood. Maybe even 2 if you have a good fan and the ducting run is straight. Anymore then that and you really want 8" hoods. Also, if you have to run curved ducting or long runs then having 8" hoods helps.
I would aircool all of your hoods if you can. The cost of hoods, ducting, and a fan will be paid for in energy savings from not having to run your a/c as much. Plus it lengthens your bulb life.
Rrog
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I had planned for two 1000W lights for flower. Overhead, not vertical. That would use a 5x10 footprint, then? Good to know. 8x10 seems good for veg for the extra space as you said.
Thanks
How long would the straight run have to be for two 1000W 6" hoods? 10' ? Ambient room temp with lights of I assume would be 65F, as this is a basement. I'd like to avoid AC and handle cooling with a lot of air movement through carbon filters exhausting into the rest of the basement in a hidden fashion. No exhaust to the outside.
phillipchristian
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You'd be beter off with 8" hoods then. If you have no a/c and are only using intakes then I would try and move as much air throught those hoods as possible. Look at the 8" High Output Can Fan. Try not to use different size fans and ducting. Not very efficient when you have a bunch of duct reducers in your setup. If you aren't exhausting anything outside then your basement is gonna be hot as hell. Where are you going to draw air from to cool your room? If you are exhausting your lights and heat into the rest of the basement then you will need another areas from which to draw cool air. I don't know your setup so maybe you have something that will work.
Rrog
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Hmmm... I only have a single 600W running now in a 4' x 3' x 54" and with 6" exhaust to balance of basement. Stays cool in there, but I have three 6" centrifugal fans controlling airflow from the cooler basement. I didn't grasp the heat.
I don't know what I'd have for lights in the new veg room (open to suggestions) but obviously heat is built up there also. I'll have to join the ranks of those that have AC, I guess. I'll check out your water cooled grow rooms thread.
I don't know what I'd have for lights in the new veg room (open to suggestions) but obviously heat is built up there also. I'll have to join the ranks of those that have AC, I guess. I'll check out your water cooled grow rooms thread.
phillipchristian
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You might not be ready for water cooling just yet. It's easy to keep 1 light cool but you are gonna have a lot of wattage. A/C is really gonna be necessary if you can't vent outside. Even then your basement is going to be hot as hell outside of your grow room. May have to leave some windows open.
phillipchristian
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I need to know:
dimensions of the rooms (just estimate height of the ceiling)
where are the windows and doors and how big are they
what lights are you gonna be using
how big do you grow your plants (SOG, SCROG, 4' trees)
hydro or soil. if hydro then what type
hood and fan sizes and ducting sizes
will you have a/c or will you be using intakes. where do you want to vent the lights.
a/c or dehumidifier in the room. ballasts and electrical in the room
that should be enough to get me started.
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Hey phillip got another question lol!! How large of a pump would i need to push water through x2 of those 3/8 x 50 wort
Chillers? If you can post a link
Chillers? If you can post a link
Gastanker
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Phillip, you might be interested in this - https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/519884-free-lighting-cad-program-attention.html#post7279409
phillipchristian
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Hey Hellraizer, considering how efficient those things are I don't think you need much of a pump at all. I have the resevoir that feed my room at 57 degrees and I still have to close the valve on my Wort's like 50% just so it won't get too cold. She holds at around 62-64. I would say even one of those Ebb & Flow 200gph pumps would be more than enough. If you wanted to play it on the safe side then just get a 350gph mag drive pump (http://www.greners.com/i/hydroponics/components/water-pumps/mag-drive-pumps.html) and "T" it to the 2 Wort's. Dont pump it straight line through 1 and then the other. Your second reservoir won't cool as much that way. Another tip is to install T-Ball valves before each Wort. This will allow you to remove 1 if you need to and also restrict flow if it gets too cold.Hey phillip got another question lol!! How large of a pump would i need to push water through x2 of those 3/8 x 50 wort
Chillers? If you can post a link
phillipchristian
New Member
Hey Gastanker, I was just checking out your thread man. Very cool stuff. I use autoCad 3D for a lot of our development projects and for actual rooms that I've built. I'm gonna check that DIALux program out for sure. Thanks.
Rrog
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Thanks for the help. So if I have two 1000W in flower room and maybe two more in veg (?) that's not enough to warrant water cooling? Is that your point?