grow closet design i need help discussing with experts.

VRZ711

VRZ711

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ChiefRunningPhist said:
You could stagger 4 autos at 3 weeks apart. Your veg and bloom could be the same area. You'd be perpetual harvesting/planting every 3wks and you'd have less to maintain
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Thank you for your input

autoflowers are a great choice for perpetual harvest but the thing is i am making my own seeds, and its hard in my area to get my hands on any seeds, i have ordered 2 times before and i got the seeds but the seed banks that deliver world wide to my area are limited and probably have the old seeds, i have ordered 14 seeds and only 4 popped. and second time i ordered 25 seeds different strains and only LSD from barnies farm poped, any ways i dont want to bring the discussions about seed banks but, my idea is to have a design that needs only 1 cut to start with, and once you have 1 cut or 1 seed this will go for 2-3 years until the genetics of the moms start to fade away.

Seed ---> Mom -----> clones -----> veg ------> Flower ----> Happiness along the way :) and repeat again,

I honestly would consider auto flowers if i have access to good Auto genetics and i will flower them 2 at a time having 3 weeks between each batch, as you said, yearly i would need around 35 seeds that might cost me 300-800$ this is not bad for someone with money to invest on this keeping his grow space 2/3 of what i am planning in return.

but honestly my goal is to make this a universal, stealthy, low cost, high efficacy, apocalypse conditions grow room DIY.


ChiefRunningPhist said:
40g a plant is definitely achieveable
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im actually planning on getting only 20 G per plant, 40 G per 2 every 3 weeks :) as i know for sure with this size i would probably focus on only a huge fat baseball bat cola that weights 20 grams dry.(as i said before i have no idea how imma train my ladies but 1 main cola seems like a good idea unless someone with experience proposes another solution for me )


ChiefRunningPhist said:
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as per the closet design i don't think that the divider can be removed.
 
It's not oregano

It's not oregano

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It's not oregano said:
One thing I may have missed, or you may not have thought about,
VRZ711 said:
yes the rack under the carbon filter is the drying rack
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I must have read the opening post 3 or 4 times, and totally missed that bit about your drying area at the end of the sentence every time! It's like one of those tricks where your mind doesn't see the same word repeated twice in a sentence.

You seem to have it all sussed out, damn good job with the design. As others have mentioned, once you get the physical cupboard in front of you your plans may have to be tweaked slightly, but it all seems to look good to me so far.

As for yield, I grow from seed in a similar sized converted set of drawers to your flowering area. Mine is 28" wide by 15" deep by only 32" high and I can only get 2 plants in at a time, 3 would be a real push unless I used much smaller containers. I grow in rectangular containers to get the most soil in an area rather than circular pots. I grow autos now but even with those I generally average between 50-80g per plant, so your hopes of 40g from 2 photos should be easily achievable, you will probably smash that estimate, especially when you have got everything dialled in.

Good luck with the build.
 
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VRZ711

VRZ711

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@It's not oregano
Reading your post made me happy :), thank you.

as per the design its not yet complete thanks to your input and the input of other member who are taking the time to collaborate on this.

so if we would approve the lights vertical horizontal side design i proposed earlier it would be better to have 3 plants at a time, as the 3 facing the cabinet doors wont have that much light, imo having 3 plants that can be turned from time to time would give a consistent result, as as you say 40 g per one bigger plant wont be risky to the plan.

the lights structure will be like a cage that just fits in place with holders or so, thinking about the structure design gives me a boner.

also we need to confirm on the ventilation holes for clones and mothers, number of clones and number of veg plants (as im planing to have only 3 pots in flower area), light seal technique, and many more.

this thread will be so much fun.
 
myke

myke

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VRZ711 said:
I wish they sell grow tents around here, ordering online would cost me around 300$ for the shipment, sounds crazy but that's my case.
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Well that sucks,finding a sturdy cabinet it is then.If you cant do it yourself maybe find someone that can build you one.The partical board ikea cab would be my last choice.Search the local buy and sell for a solid tv type cabinet ,something with drawers on the bottom and doors ontop.These will be much deeper.Good luck.
 
rob333

rob333

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VRZ711 said:
Dear Friends,


I would like to thank you all in advance for taking the time to discuss my future grow setup.
I have been thinking lately to make a secret perpetual grow in a cabinet, and below is the design that i come up with using IKEA's cheapest closet.

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and below is a color legend so to make things more clear

Red pots will be the 2 mothers,
lights for this room will be
2 X Bridgelux EB SLIM GEN 3 340MM 5000K strips that i will run on 15 watts each
room will be air tight with no fans

blue Rez is the cloning chamber and will have 4-6 clones at a time
lights for this room will be
3 X Bridgelux EB SLIM GEN 3 340MM 5000K strips that i will run on 15 watts each
room will be air tight with no fans

green pots are the veg plants,
lights for this room will be
5 X Bridgelux EB SLIM GEN 3 340MM 5000K strips that i will run on 15 watts each
room will have air intake with 2 small fans

Orange pots are the flowering plants, I'm not planning to install any scrog as plants will keep on circulating every 3 weeks,
10 X Bridgelux EB SLIM GEN 3 560MM 3000K strips that i will run on 24 watts each
room will have air intake(from veg) with 4 small fans below the canopy blowing up

Purples are my 2 drivers HLG 150 and HLG 240 drivers, next to it is my carbon filter and the small room below is the drying room.

My goal is to pull 40 dry quality grams from each 2 trees every 3 weeks.
so circulation will be in groups of 2 plants,
clones taken from mother will stay 45 days in the cloner. (I know this is too long but this number needs to be at least 45 days as flowering room will be full, so i would have so much time for plant training and might need to trim some roots also)
then they will be vegged for 25 days (also too long time but this is needed as again flower room will be busy, and i will have time for additional plant training)
after this they will move to flower for around 65 days.


I have also made a project plan having all the resources allocated
is this possible, any one can help me with any ideas that would make this setup better ?


also for plant training methods and genetics, i still haven't decided on that yet.
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omg and out come the blue prints come on people its not that hard
 
myke

myke

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VRZ711 said:
thank you much for your input, but i would love to hear why not. is it the size ?
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Particle board and humidity dont mix,add to that you’ll need to make modifications holes etc so the exposed board will need to be covered and that just makes more work. Start with a cabinet that has real wood and plywood in the mix.
If smell is going to be a concern then look at venting outside as every time you open the cab that smell will get everywhere in the house.
 
VRZ711

VRZ711

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myke said:
Particle board and humidity dont mix,add to that you’ll need to make modifications holes etc so the exposed board will need to be covered and that just makes more work. Start with a cabinet that has real wood and plywood in the mix.
If smell is going to be a concern then look at venting outside as every time you open the cab that smell will get everywhere in the house.
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Makes so much scene, this is exactly what i needed to know before, thank you for sharing this info with me as the cheap wood flakes with decay overnight with humidity.

I guess i will designing the cabinet from scratch, and light seal it and make it exactly what I'm thinking about.

Thank you again for your input
 
VRZ711

VRZ711

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rob333 said:
omg and out come the blue prints come on people its not that hard
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i fantasize about this setup honesty, trying to get the most of what i invest on, smart design ideas keeps ur brain lit on fire. as i im planning to have this as my standard all time design.
 
myke

myke

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The carbon filters do a good job with the smell as long as the cabinet is closed. It’s when you open it that’s it’s hard to hide. Another filter in the room would help it from getting all over the house but that’s not very stealth.
 
myke

myke

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You may want to re think location. If you had said cabinet in a room say in the bsmt. This will help ten fold on controlling smell. Good luck. I run a sealed room inside of a small bedroom. Vented outside. I still have smell problems at the end of ea cycle.as soon as I open the doors no matter how quickly it gets out.
 
myke

myke

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VRZ711 said:
what about when the door is closed and vented outside ?
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no problem with smell,its just when im in week 6,7,8 of flower.Leave the door closed and my wife cant smell it.I get home from work before she does so I now wait before i go look.If i didn't grow my plants so big:) it wouldnt be a problem.
 
rob333

rob333

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VRZ711 said:
i fantasize about this setup honesty, trying to get the most of what i invest on, smart design ideas keeps ur brain lit on fire. as i im planning to have this as my standard all time design.
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fuck dude buy a tent lol
 
VRZ711

VRZ711

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rob333 said:
all pay don't be a stoog
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well, it hurts being called a stooge.

I have 3 registered invitations under my name, 2 in Technology(cyber security) and one is the automated hydroponic green house, and this was a winner last year in the regional automation competition, so i would assure you that your not wasting your time here with a stooge.

and all started with a problem i was trying to solve for my self, and sharing my thoughts with the community, trust me the people who disagree with me helped me the most.

I would love to hear more on why disagree with me as this will hopefully help me to improve the initial design.

again grow tent is not a stealth grow, and as you can see im seeking to design a perpetual stealth grow room.
 
myke

myke

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I would look at section off a place in the bsmt,HVAC is an important part of all this.Air in and out as you already know.Im sure with your greenhouse experience you'll come up with a great design.
 
VRZ711

VRZ711

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myke said:
I would look at section off a place in the bsmt,HVAC is an important part of all this.Air in and out as you already know.Im sure with your greenhouse experience you'll come up with a great design.
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i was trying to make a cool tube, but HVAC needs some actual testing, i would focus on the suction fan, install some high power one and then dim it to perfection. but for now i wont be doing the IKEA cabinet, i would change to a fridge or solid wood cabinet. hopefully with same dimensions
 
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