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nc208

nc208

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TreeFarmerCharlie said:
I had no idea people were so passionate about when to start counting. Based on the responses I got by saying how I thought I may have been counting wrongly, you would've thought I asked if I should be flushing and defoliating in the same sentence. Just to clarify, I never suggested a "new" way to determine flower time. I simply asked if a lot of growers, including myself, have been starting the flower count at the wrong time.
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Why flushing is for toilets??
 
tkufoS

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FluffsTravels said:
Which is also why we hear from time to time idiotic "new" ways to determine flowering time.

There is no argument. The day you go to 12-12 is the day you starting counting flowering time to harvest. Period.
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I have a question for you..do you harvest according to breeders suggestion or when the plants look done...from the day of flip ?
 
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eastcoastled

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FluffsTravels said:
Which is also why we hear from time to time idiotic "new" ways to determine flowering time.

There is no argument. The day you go to 12-12 is the day you start counting flowering time to harvest. Period.
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Yeah, I never understood why anyone would do it different. if you were outdoors, you would have to guess, but indoors is all about control. One of the main benefits of growing indoors is knowing exactly when that switch was flipped.
 
TreeFarmerCharlie

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eastcoastled said:
Yeah, I never understood why anyone would do it different. if you were outdoors, you would have to guess, but indoors is all about control. One of the main benefits of growing indoors is knowing exactly when that switch was flipped.
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I’ll explain why I initially brought this up.

A lot of people flip to flower at completely different stages, for various reasons, and I think it’s safe to say that a lot of people flip to flower before the plants reach sexual maturity.

The plants also don’t miraculously switch to flowering as soon as you make the switch and it takes a full day or two of the longer period of darkness for it to make the change.

Up until this point, I’ve done all soil grows with liquid nutrients from AN, but I’ve been preparing for my next group of plants, and wanted to try an all organic living soil setup this time to see the difference between that and how I have been growing. When I was reading their feeding guidelines I noticed they had a 1-2 week “transition period” where they recommended feeding for both veg and flower needs. When I saw that I just thought it made sense so I brought it up. I honesty had no idea it was such a hot topic and I have to admit that I got a good chuckle after being called an idiot for daring to ask about it.
 
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eastcoastled

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TreeFarmerCharlie said:
I’ll explain why I initially brought this up.

A lot of people flip to flower at completely different stages, for various reasons, and I think it’s safe to say that a lot of people flip to flower before the plants reach sexual maturity.

The plants also don’t miraculously switch to flowering as soon as you make the switch and it takes a full day or two of the longer period of darkness for it to make the change.

Up until this point, I’ve done all soil grows with liquid nutrients from AN, but I’ve been preparing for my next group of plants, and wanted to try an all organic living soil setup this time to see the difference between that and how I have been growing. When I was reading their feeding guidelines I noticed they had a 1-2 week “transition period” where they recommended feeding for both veg and flower needs. When I saw that I just thought it made sense so I brought it up. I honesty had no idea it was such a hot topic and I have to admit that I got a good chuckle after being called an idiot for daring to ask about it.
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i don’t even think I saw your post, and I don’t think it was a stupid question. My point was in a perpetual situation, two phenos of the same strain could be put into flower 2 weeks apart. If both strains finish at the same time, and have the same yield and quality. Based on the time spent in 12/12 it would be clear who the winner is. Based on observation it could possibly be a much closer race, or even close to a tie based on the observer. For me there are enough mistakes I can and do make without guessing.
 
TreeFarmerCharlie

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eastcoastled said:
i don’t even think I saw your post, and I don’t think it was a stupid question. My point was in a perpetual situation, two phenos of the same strain could be put into flower 2 weeks apart. If both strains finish at the same time, and have the same yield and quality. Based on the time spent in 12/12 it would be clear who the winner is. Based on observation it could possibly be a much closer race, or even close to a tie based on the observer. For me there are enough mistakes I can and do make without guessing.
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Oh, I wasn't accusing you of that, so I'm sorry if it came across that way. THIS is the post I was talking about.
 
FluffsTravels

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TreeFarmerCharlie said:
I got a good chuckle after being called an idiot for daring to ask about it.
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As I was quickly glancing over the flowering time conversation, I didn't take notice to who started it and who said what on the topic; just as I just now had time to read this post. I didn't call anyone an idiot or any singular idea "idiotic" though it is true from time to time some idiotic ideas come up about judging flowering time. Mainly, these ideas come from breeders as a way to claim their flowering time is shorter than the standard flip date to harvest date. If a breeder can take two to three weeks of their flowering time on their sales page, they'll sell more seeds as the average person won't know about their new, personal, convoluted flowering methodology. I don't think you're idiot. I'm sorry you took it that way. Notice my reply was to a post that mentioned "breeders stretching the truth" as well. That being said, there is only one standard methodology for evaluating flowering time.
 
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2easy

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FluffsTravels said:
As I was quickly glancing over the flowering time conversation, I didn't take notice to who started it and who said what on the topic; just as I just now had time to read this post. I didn't call anyone an idiot or any singular idea "idiotic" though it is true from time to time some idiotic ideas come up about judging flowering time. Mainly, these ideas come from breeders as a way to claim their flowering time is shorter than the standard flip date to harvest date. If a breeder can take two to three weeks of their flowering time on their sales page, they'll sell more seeds as the average person won't know about their new, personal, convoluted flowering methodology. I don't think you're idiot. I'm sorry you took it that way. Notice my reply was to a post that mentioned "breeders stretching the truth" as well. That being said, there is only one standard methodology for evaluating flowering time.
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You'll get a different answer if you ask an outdoor grower. I think the standard for measuring is from first sign of flower until finished not actually from flip. This usually puts me spot on with most breeders times as well.

I always use that measure because it works for both outdoor and indoor whereas from flip only really works for indoor.

That's my 2 cents. I know. a lot of people will disagree. Such is the internet
 
Bakersfield

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2easy said:
You'll get a different answer if you ask an outdoor grower. I think the standard for measuring is from first sign of flower until finished not actually from flip. This usually puts me spot on with most breeders times as well.

I always use that measure because it works for both outdoor and indoor whereas from flip only really works for indoor.

That's my 2 cents. I know. a lot of people will disagree. Such is the internet
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Do outdoor growers discuss the flower times of their outdoor plants in terms of weeks to completion?
I've never met one that did.
Usually, it's what week in what month is she
done, that concerns an outdoor grower.
 
2easy

2easy

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Bakersfield said:
Do outdoor growers discuss the flower times of their outdoor plants in terms of weeks to completion?
I've never met one that did.
Usually, it's what week in what month is she
done, that concerns an outdoor grower.
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Yeah I like to know how long it flowers because in some areas you can't flower longer flowering varieties before bad seasonal weather etc.

And yeah what month but breeders generally don't put what no th it will finish because it would be different in every climate and timezone
 
Bakersfield

Bakersfield

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2easy said:
Yeah I like to know how long it flowers because in some areas you can't flower longer flowering varieties before bad seasonal weather etc.

And yeah what month but breeders generally don't put what no th it will finish because it would be different in every climate and timezone
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I think it will be different depending at what lattitude your growing.
Plants that finish on the 1st week of October in Southern California, will finish on the 3rd week of October in Seattle, because the days are longer the further North you go and the flowering cycle is triggered on a later date.
To further complicate matters for outdoor growers is the fact that 2 different strains can be finished in 9 weeks indoors, but those same two strains can have different trigger times to daylight for initiating flower and finish weeks apart from one another outdoors.
 
2easy

2easy

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Bakersfield said:
I think it will be different depending at what lattitude your growing.
Plants that finish on the 1st week of October in Southern California, will finish on the 3rd week of October in Seattle, because the days are longer the further North you go and the flowering cycle is triggered on a later date.
To further complicate matters for outdoor growers is the fact that 2 different strains can be finished in 9 weeks indoors, but those same two strains can have different trigger times to daylight for initiating flower and finish weeks apart from one another outdoors.
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Yeah exactly what I was trying say. Complicated even further by my being in Australia.

So for me as someone who started growing outdoors as a teenager I always counted flowering times from when i could actually see the start of flower.

Old habits die hard
 
TreeFarmerCharlie

TreeFarmerCharlie

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FluffsTravels said:
As I was quickly glancing over the flowering time conversation, I didn't take notice to who started it and who said what on the topic; just as I just now had time to read this post. I didn't call anyone an idiot or any singular idea "idiotic" though it is true from time to time some idiotic ideas come up about judging flowering time. Mainly, these ideas come from breeders as a way to claim their flowering time is shorter than the standard flip date to harvest date. If a breeder can take two to three weeks of their flowering time on their sales page, they'll sell more seeds as the average person won't know about their new, personal, convoluted flowering methodology. I don't think you're idiot. I'm sorry you took it that way. Notice my reply was to a post that mentioned "breeders stretching the truth" as well. That being said, there is only one standard methodology for evaluating flowering time.
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Thanks for explaining that.
 
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