Greenpoint seeds!!

thenotsoesoteric · Nov 13, 2018

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Goats22 said:
@thenotsoesoteric do you use the canna a&b alone, or do you use their whole line? i want to try canna, but some of their additives are super expensive like boost and rhizo. i've heard people say just the a&b gives good results, but i am hesitant because it gives me that feeling of being incomplete which i believe a lot of nutrient companies rely on.

Just A and B with cal mag. I add a half teaspoon of liquid kool bloom in later flower only because I still have some but it doesnt need it imo.

I bought the rhizo in July when I had issues with tupur but I havent used it in over a month.

Chunky Stool · Nov 13, 2018

Tangerine_ said:
You plan to run NFTGs on those plants for a full run? If so, I'll be looking for any notes or updates you do. I have that same line of NFTG plus a bunch of other bottled lines that I need to use up.

I'll definitely be using them on the next full indoor run, but not exclusively.

I like to tweak em a little when the time is right:

guano (bat & seabird)
frass
K2SO4
epsom
kelp
humic acids
vitamin B1
protein hydrolysate
etc.

Badmofo529 · Nov 13, 2018

While we are on the topic, has anyone used their sample of Athena biosis? My roots seem to like it. I had roots out of the bottom of a solo cup after like 3 days after I stuck a freshly rooted clone in it. Then I had roots sticking out of the bottom of these 2gal smart pots in another 4-5 days after transplanting from cup to pot.

bigbongloads · Nov 13, 2018

Badmofo529 said:
While we are on the topic, has anyone used their sample of Athena biosis? My roots seem to like it. I had roots out of the bottom of a solo cup after like 3 days after I stuck a freshly rooted clone in it. Then I had roots sticking out of the bottom of these 2gal smart pots in another 4-5 days after transplanting from cup to pot.

Using some right now in flower. I toss a teaspoon or two in every other flower tea and I like what I see. Decent size sample.

suthrngrwr · Nov 13, 2018

Pebble Pusher, tester pack phenotype hunt update. Pretty sure this girl is the keeper, though the heavy FPOG leaner is still in the mix as well, if only for flavor. This girl has a woman's perfume aroma -- sweet floral scents with nuance (earthy and fruity). She grows like dad but looks and smells like mom.

Sebud · Nov 13, 2018

Badmofo529 said:
I ran the sample pack of nftg untill I got a sample of megacrop. I liked it, but it took forever to measure and mix all the bottles.

Imo it's the only bottled nutes I would use. It's not just salts mixed with water and marked up 500%

suthrngrwr said:
Pebble Pusher, tester pack phenotype hunt update. Pretty sure this girl is the keeper, though the heavy FPOG leaner is still in the mix as well, if only for flavor. This girl has a woman's perfume aroma -- sweet floral scents with nuance (earthy and fruity). She grows like dad but looks and smells like mom.

Nice

sixgunshooter · Nov 13, 2018

whytewidow said:
I love MC. Super simple. Makes frosty AF nugs. Jus a tad of calmag like you said. And it's good to go. Doesnt affect taste. I've smoked both flushed and no flushed from running it. Didnt really notice any difference. And it yields very well. It's even kinda hard to burn tips with.

Really? I noti

thenotsoesoteric said:
What!!!

Do you have pics of these I'm hoping monster trees? Good lord. Why so high?

This plant and the other ones with it were flowered out with 1-2 teaspoons of pure blend pro grow with no additives and 1 tsp of cal/mag in tupur mix. ppms were only in 600 range.

Going through my photos I have noticed almost everything good I made video of and didn't take pictures.

The cool images are a nice cola I brought down into normal light to take a pic for my dad. The bud is from Fox Farm with quite a few additives. I had to stop running a couple of strains because no matter what anyone says clones lose vigor over time. I would say that changing out your strain/pheno should be done once a year.

whytewidow · Nov 13, 2018

sixgunshooter said:
Really? I noti

Going through my photos I have noticed almost everything good I made video of and didn't take pictures.

The cool images are a nice cola I brought down into normal light to take a pic for my dad. The bud is from Fox Farm with quite a few additives. I had to stop running a couple of strains because no matter what anyone says clones lose vigor over time. I would say that changing out your strain/pheno should be done once a year.

Yes really, I try to take pride in not burning tips in my grows. Doesnt always happen. But I've had several runs without a single burnt tip. Fox farm nutes and their additives are absolute garbage. Unless I knew for 100% facts that it was flushed very very well. I wouldnt even smoke herb run on their nute line up . And anyone who tells you that a plant and or clone doesnt lose vigor down the line. Doesnt know what they're talking about. Clones of clones of clones of clones. The last one wont have the same vigor as the first one. May take longer idk. But I had a mother plant that was a clone. I had it for along time. Switched her out with a clone and flowered her. Gave clones away. The clone mother got to big to keep in veg. Took a clone of her let it veg as the mother. Did that a few times over the months. Eventually I tossed it all together. Bc rooted clones of her grew so slow it was unreal. She lost all her vigor.

Bodyne · Nov 13, 2018

whytewidow said:
Yes really, I try to take pride in not burning tips in my grows. Doesnt always happen. But I've had several runs without a single burnt tip. Fox farm nutes and their additives are absolute garbage. Unless I knew for 100% facts that it was flushed very very well. I wouldnt even smoke herb run on their nute line up . And anyone who tells you that a plant and or clone doesnt lose vigor down the line. Doesnt know what they're talking about. Clones of clones of clones of clones. The last one wont have the same vigor as the first one. May take longer idk. But I had a mother plant that was a clone. I had it for along time. Switched her out with a clone and flowered her. Gave clones away. The clone mother got to big to keep in veg. Took a clone of her let it veg as the mother. Did that a few times over the months. Eventually I tossed it all together. Bc rooted clones of her grew so slow it was unreal. She lost all her vigor.

in Oregon they pass around a wore out Shishka cut, Blackberry cut and sat dom Blueberry cut. Genetic drift of those cuts are obvious. With the potency mostly, but the vigor also. And the way they grow compared to mom. Think that's why some like S1's, you may not get the same as the mom, but you may get something better or as good, just a sister or first cousin, etc, jmho

Chunky Stool · Nov 13, 2018

whytewidow said:
Yes really, I try to take pride in not burning tips in my grows. Doesnt always happen. But I've had several runs without a single burnt tip. Fox farm nutes and their additives are absolute garbage. Unless I knew for 100% facts that it was flushed very very well. I wouldnt even smoke herb run on their nute line up . And anyone who tells you that a plant and or clone doesnt lose vigor down the line. Doesnt know what they're talking about. Clones of clones of clones of clones. The last one wont have the same vigor as the first one. May take longer idk. But I had a mother plant that was a clone. I had it for along time. Switched her out with a clone and flowered her. Gave clones away. The clone mother got to big to keep in veg. Took a clone of her let it veg as the mother. Did that a few times over the months. Eventually I tossed it all together. Bc rooted clones of her grew so slow it was unreal. She lost all her vigor.

How do people keep males?

Bodyne · Nov 13, 2018

Chunky Stool said:
How do people keep males?

pollen mainly, I think. More than keeping the males alive. Again, just what I hear.

whytewidow · Nov 13, 2018

Bodyne said:
in Oregon they pass around a wore out Shishka cut, Blackberry cut and sat dom Blueberry cut. Genetic drift of those cuts are obvious. With the potency mostly, but the vigor also. And the way they grow compared to mom. Think that's why some like S1's, you may not get the same as the mom, but you may get something better or as good, just a sister or first cousin, etc, jmho

Yeah cuts of cuts of cuts can change all kinds of things. From vigor to potency. And in the strain i kept for so long lost yield as well. Which I guess also comes from the vigor. Not growing enough bud sites in q timely manner or whatever. And potency definitely will be lost along the time line. I try to keep my keepers as the original seed mom as long as I possibly can. I have a Jamaican Pineapple Glue that's all gg4 with a kick of sweetness from the jamaican pineapple landrace they used. I have the original seed mom that's about 27 months old. And I have 4 clones of it that came from other clones of it that I made, back when I first vegged the seed mom And they have slight variations they are I guess would be 4th generation of cuts of a cut.

whytewidow · Nov 13, 2018

Chunky Stool said:
How do people keep males?

You can keep males the same way. But they lose vigor and everything else jus the same. I mean look at Gus male. It doesnt have half the yield the original did. If you scroll back to the beginning of the this thread and look at his male. Then look at the clones he flowering of it in the pic he posted of the females in with it. They look nothing alike. And they can sure aren't a 1/4 as stacked as the original. Doesnt matter who it is or who has it. It happens with every cut of everything eventually. As well as evolution. I believe they evolve to your growing style. Say you give me a cut that fades black on its own in your growing style and method and you've had it for say 2 years. Then you mail me the cut clear on the other side of the U.S.A. and I grow it there will be variations just bc of different environments. And if I'd keep it for two years. As a mother and run cuts off of it. I bet I could flower a cut of it. And compare to your original cut. I bet they wont look even remotely close to each other.

Chunky Stool · Nov 13, 2018

whytewidow said:
You can keep males the same way. But they lose vigor and everything else jus the same. I mean look at Gus male. It doesnt have half the yield the original did. If you scroll back to the beginning of the this thread and look at his male. Then look at the clones he flowering of it in the pic he posted of the females in with it. They look nothing alike. And they can sure aren't a 1/4 as stacked as the original. Doesnt matter who it is or who has it. It happens with every cut of everything eventually. As well as evolution. I believe they evolve to your growing style. Say you give me a cut that fades black on its own in yoyoiyoyoir growing style and method and you've had it for say 2 years. Then you mail me the cut clear on the other side of the U.S.A. and I grow it there will be variations just bc of different environments. And if I'd keep it for two years. As a mother and run cuts off of it. I bet I could flower a cut of it. And compare to your original cut. I bet they wont look even remotely close to each other.

How far back have you grown greenpoint gear?
I've got some older strains that aren't available anymore.
Maverick
Purple mountain majesty
Purple outlaw
Butch cassidy
boomtown
etc

Maybe I'll have to move them up in the queue.
Shit -- I was thinking about running 'cake n chem' next run, but it's new.

There are pics coming out of the newer strains and they look pretty good.
If I recall, @Bodyne liked bounty hunter a lot.
Hmm...

Gu~ · Nov 13, 2018

whytewidow said:
You can keep males the same way. But they lose vigor and everything else jus the same. I mean look at Gus male. It doesnt have half the yield the original did. If you scroll back to the beginning of the this thread and look at his male. Then look at the clones he flowering of it in the pic he posted of the females in with it. They look nothing alike. .

Or they were weeks apart in flower

boybelue · Nov 13, 2018

whytewidow said:
Yes really, I try to take pride in not burning tips in my grows. Doesnt always happen. But I've had several runs without a single burnt tip. Fox farm nutes and their additives are absolute garbage. Unless I knew for 100% facts that it was flushed very very well. I wouldnt even smoke herb run on their nute line up . And anyone who tells you that a plant and or clone doesnt lose vigor down the line. Doesnt know what they're talking about. Clones of clones of clones of clones. The last one wont have the same vigor as the first one. May take longer idk. But I had a mother plant that was a clone. I had it for along time. Switched her out with a clone and flowered her. Gave clones away. The clone mother got to big to keep in veg. Took a clone of her let it veg as the mother. Did that a few times over the months. Eventually I tossed it all together. Bc rooted clones of her grew so slow it was unreal. She lost all her vigor.

How old was the one your referring to that lost the vigor and all? I'm just wondering because ive got a cookie from a bagseed that I've had for around 5 or 6 yrs now and i honestly cant tell if it has lost anything. I had the best run with it last winter. I haven't kept a mom of it long at all, mostly just taking new cuts when i clean them up at beginning of flower. I do believe in genetic drift but just haven't noticed yet. Still vigorous, pretty strong and one of fastest rooters if not the fastest I've seen. Kinda wondering when people start noticing a decline, how long?

whytewidow · Nov 13, 2018

Gu~ said:
Or they were weeks apart in flower

I'm not talking about the difference in time of flower. Please dont act like your male is the only male in the history of cannabis, that doesnt lose vigor, yield, structure. Potency, and everything in between.... with time. And cuts of cuts of cuts. You can tell the structure has even changed. It wasnt a dog on your male. I grow your gear. It's just the truth. Every single cut of herb does it. And I didnt say it was shit now either. I have a cookies n chem from newer seed run you did. That is the bees knees.

whytewidow · Nov 13, 2018

Chunky Stool said:
How far back have you grown greenpoint gear?
I've got some older strains that aren't available anymore.
Maverick
Purple mountain majesty
Purple outlaw
Butch cassidy
boomtown
etc

Maybe I'll have to move them up in the queue.
Shit -- I was thinking about running 'cake n chem' next run, but it's new.

There are pics coming out of the newer strains and they look pretty good.
If I recall, @Bodyne liked bounty hunter a lot.
Hmm...

I made purchases clear back during some of his first releases. Before I ever made an account on his web. I have alot of his older stuff from when he first started releasing with his stardawg. I have several packs of his monster cookies crosses. But alot of them were hermies. So I never even opened them. Not all of them. Some were very nice plants. But I just didnt pop them

whytewidow · Nov 13, 2018

boybelue said:
How old was the one your referring to that lost the vigor and all? I'm just wondering because ive got a cookie from a bagseed that I've had for around 5 or 6 yrs now and i honestly cant tell if it has lost anything. I had the best run with it last winter. I haven't kept a mom of it long at all, mostly just taking new cuts when i clean them up at beginning of flower. I do believe in genetic drift but just haven't noticed yet. Still vigorous, pretty strong and one of fastest rooters if not the fastest I've seen. Kinda wondering when people start noticing a decline, how long?

It's about 3 years old. It lost it kindve fast. I've seen a few go over 8 years before they really start to lose anything. Older strains that havent been whored out thin and passed everywhere. I think may lose it faster than say an original landrace or some like early 90s skunk. Something like that.

Edit: also I believe in how well you keep it. Like the upkeep on it. I let it set in a 1gal for almost a year. So I'm sure stress and whatnot affected it as well.

whytewidow · Nov 13, 2018

Chunky Stool said:
How far back have you grown greenpoint gear?
I've got some older strains that aren't available anymore.
Maverick
Purple mountain majesty
Purple outlaw
Butch cassidy
boomtown
etc

Maybe I'll have to move them up in the queue.
Shit -- I was thinking about running 'cake n chem' next run, but it's new.

There are pics coming out of the newer strains and they look pretty good.
If I recall, @Bodyne liked bounty hunter a lot.
Hmm...

And I really think jbeezys cut if it was the legit clone he used. Put with his stardawg will put out some bombshells. If you have a pack I'd pop them. I was gonna get a pack to pop. But after everything that's went down with GPS website. And everything else. I've jus decided to not make anymore purchases. But if I would end up with a pack in a trade or something. I'd pop em.

Greenpoint seeds!!

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