GreenPoint Seeds Test Grow: Rugburn OG x Monster Cookies

Goldy

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Yea here's hoping the cookies is dominant enough to show through. I got me some Lemon Fizz Cookies so be interesting to see how strong she comes out.
Okay, so what would the OG structure of buds look like? I know it signifies a medium yield plant, but don't know all the nuances about growth structure. OGs smell like how my pheno 2 smells right? There is a lot of OG in my particular strain. I would love to pop some of the Tahoe cut x StarDawg and find a male that is really OG leaning and cross it to pheno 2 or the male's pollen.
If I find a nice male I'll hook some pollen your way if you like. Prob won't run them for a bit though. Wanna sort out some COB panels first.
 

akhiymjames

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For some reason I just don't think you will see a lot of dominant Cookie genes in these crosses. I think the male used is more for potency and upping yield but hopefully it does pass some traits. I just know OG is gonna come out a lot with the Cookies having OG in it plus crossed to Yeti will be a lot of OG.

I have never grown OG or and OG dom cross so I couldn't tell you the exact structure of the bud but there's plenty of OG pix on the net and here and if you wanna know about OG hit up @kgp hes the OG man. Your #2 is gonna be your OG pheno so if that's what your liking then your gonna want her but it seems like the other pheno is expressing some different traits so she may be the one too. Only time will tell once you sample them
 

kgp

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IBL means inbred line with means the line/cross has been stabilized and will show no variation in phenos. 90%+ will be very consistent phenos everytime a seeds is popped. Great type of line to make crosses with but you don't see too many of these as it takes years to make a cross IBL and most breeders don't do it since they have to sell seeds to make money so that why you see all the f1 crosses. That's why when you see f3 lines and up they cost money because of the work the breeder puts in. People always complain about the price of Loompas gear but that's because everything is worked. Look for a great IBL to grow bro
Ibl have there disadvantages too. For example they lack the vigor that polyhybrids have. but yes, should be more consistant.
 

kgp

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For some reason I just don't think you will see a lot of dominant Cookie genes in these crosses. I think the male used is more for potency and upping yield but hopefully it does pass some traits. I just know OG is gonna come out a lot with the Cookies having OG in it plus crossed to Yeti will be a lot of OG.

I have never grown OG or and OG dom cross so I couldn't tell you the exact structure of the bud but there's plenty of OG pix on the net and here and if you wanna know about OG hit up @kgp hes the OG man. Your #2 is gonna be your OG pheno so if that's what your liking then your gonna want her but it seems like the other pheno is expressing some different traits so she may be the one too. Only time will tell once you sample them
Monster cookies is forum x gdp. So in any of these crosses only 1/4 of the genetics are actually cookies. They probably use the male to add yield like akhiym said. Also densining the bud. It should be a good male considering the cross just about everything to it.
 

akhiymjames

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Monster cookies is forum x gdp. So in any of these crosses only 1/4 of the genetics are actually cookies. They probably use the male to add yield like akhiym said. Also densining the bud. It should be a good male considering the cross just about everything to it.
The Monster Cookies in the cross is Platinum GSC x Yeti f1. I think your talking about Cookie Monster but yea not gonna be Cookie dom like kgp said. And I agree with you about IBL. They don't have the vigor like polyhybrids but for someone who's looking for consistent phenos then that would be best bet or a BX
 

vitamin_green_inc

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Damn. The Orange Pheno is a hermi. It's weird though. It is little pollen sacks that look like swollen calyxs but I noticed the hairs turning brown and thought "oh no!" The OG dominant one doesn't seem to have any sacks but the Orange pheno has varying amounts on each cola, maybe 3-4 scattered thruout. I pulled one and yep, had a immature seed in it. Does this mean that this is a true "hermie" plant? I see no signs of pollen. And no other signs of being male. The pistils around these pods aren't swollen in anyway and are still swelling. I am going to let her run, and just pull off the sacks I guess. It will be 5 weeks Sunday, and it's like dang, I already am this far in lol. She smells so good too, after I got done handling the seed pod my fingers smelled so amazing. Like citrus but sweet and candy almost like 5 Gum lol

I also dropped a Dinafem OG Kush and 5 BRuce Banner #3 x MC in water. I will be doing the BBxMC in 2 liters and the OG Kush in a 3 gallon or 7 gallon smartie, which is a fem and apparently not even close to the real thing but It was a freebie and I know it will produce. Amy suggestions there? I plan to veg it for 1 month from sprout and top 1 time for 4 colas and LST them.
 

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akhiymjames

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Damn. The Orange Pheno is a hermi. It's weird though. It is little pollen sacks that look like swollen calyxs but I noticed the hairs turning brown and thought "oh no!" The OG dominant one doesn't seem to have any sacks but the Orange pheno has varying amounts on each cola, maybe 3-4 scattered thruout. I pulled one and yep, had a immature seed in it. Does this mean that this is a true "hermie" plant? I see no signs of pollen. And no other signs of being male. The pistils around these pods aren't swollen in anyway and are still swelling. I am going to let her run, and just pull off the sacks I guess. It will be 5 weeks Sunday, and it's like dang, I already am this far in lol. She smells so good too, after I got done handling the seed pod my fingers smelled so amazing. Like citrus but sweet and candy almost like 5 Gum lol

I also dropped a Dinafem OG Kush and 5 BRuce Banner #3 x MC in water. I will be doing the BBxMC in 2 liters and the OG Kush in a 3 gallon or 7 gallon smartie, which is a fem and apparently not even close to the real thing but It was a freebie and I know it will produce. Amy suggestions there? I plan to veg it for 1 month from sprout and top 1 time for 4 colas and LST them.
That's not a true herm bro just looks like it may have thrown a couple balls. I had those on my Platinum Delights but they didn't have any immature seeds on them. Long as there's not balls growing out of the the buds completely you should be fine to pick them off and keep going. Looks like a stressor may have caused that. Too much nutes, aggressive training, high temps, low light levels can cause that so just check your conditions and his you feed. But I say keep going. I never let a few end my run unless they're full blown herms like this

These are no no's for sure. Clones ran from phenos like these tend to not throw sacks anymore so don't give up on that pheno if you like her. Sometimes it takes multiples runs to get rid of the sacks but I say after running it three times and it's still doing it under optimal conditions then it's prone. Keep up the work bro

Cant wait to see the Banners going. Think somebody on here has some going now so gonna be interesting to see both you guys phenos. Glad we have you showing some of these crosses or we wouldn't be knowing too much what's going on with em. Want to run mines but just have way too much other stuff in front of them
 

Goldy

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Damn. The Orange Pheno is a hermi. It's weird though. It is little pollen sacks that look like swollen calyxs but I noticed the hairs turning brown and thought "oh no!" The OG dominant one doesn't seem to have any sacks but the Orange pheno has varying amounts on each cola, maybe 3-4 scattered thruout. I pulled one and yep, had a immature seed in it. Does this mean that this is a true "hermie" plant? I see no signs of pollen. And no other signs of being male. The pistils around these pods aren't swollen in anyway and are still swelling. I am going to let her run, and just pull off the sacks I guess. It will be 5 weeks Sunday, and it's like dang, I already am this far in lol. She smells so good too, after I got done handling the seed pod my fingers smelled so amazing. Like citrus but sweet and candy almost like 5 Gum lol

I also dropped a Dinafem OG Kush and 5 BRuce Banner #3 x MC in water. I will be doing the BBxMC in 2 liters and the OG Kush in a 3 gallon or 7 gallon smartie, which is a fem and apparently not even close to the real thing but It was a freebie and I know it will produce. Amy suggestions there? I plan to veg it for 1 month from sprout and top 1 time for 4 colas and LST them.
They can be crazy hard to find..like if its just 2 pollen sacks and they're under a bud or something you'll probably not find them until you're trimming. Depending on how the rest of the run goes, it may be worth rerunning her as it mighta been a moment of stress like too hot or even too bigger difference between day and night temperature etc. She certainly sounds good in your description.

I've heard some pretty good things about Dinafem..not tried anything from them myself. Looking forward to seeing the Banner x.
 

vitamin_green_inc

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Thanks y'all, this stuff can be umm a little frustrating to say the least at times. It is a chance to learn more and more though and I love to learn. Could be becuase my soul was too hot, it only cooked 10 days before I put them in. Idk, Organic I thought would be easier and I like it, I like making teas and top dressing but man, it is a lot more work for a lot less flower than its Hempy counterpart when you include the slow veg, the sourcing and shipping of amendments, the constant battle against deformities if your soul is not just on, and different strains like certain other amendments more so than its counterpart and so could be MG deficient while its counterpart is chugging along happily. Idk, just thinking.

I had my heart set on the BB and it didn't help that I saw a Instagram acct growing those, and guess what? The grower had some shemales as well lol. Idk, the MC looks so dominant in every photo I'm seeing, and my girls look very similar except for the smells. I had to go ahead and pop these. I am also going to use the male RugBurns pollen with the DinaFem OG Kush, which will hopefully be OG dominant lol.
 

akhiymjames

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Yea I know what you mean bro. Could've been that as like you said the other pheno is doing fine. It's def a lot of work when your running lots of strains cus like you said they all like different stuff at different amounts. That's why its really best to focus on once strain and run it a few times to see if that's something you really like dial it in good then go from there but as humans we like a lot of variety and stuff and I can't blame no one for growing lots of flavors. But it's def much harder growing them from seed and never have grown them so just keep doing what your doing bro take notes if you can. I would love to but just too scared to keep stuff like that around. My memory is crazy good even tho I smoke madly :lol: if it's very important like remembering these strains and how they grow and what they like I store it like a computer if it's not relevant shits goes out immediately :lol: yea seeing a few herms on different crosses and I'm really not liking that at all plus the Stardawg crosses were pulled way to damn early and germ rates a very low. People getting pale green seeds and even white seeds smdh. It's sad but doesn't suprise me as tbh none of these crosses should be sold one bit until testing is over. Not shitting on the breeder at all as I know he's trying to give people good genetics but these should've been throughly tested by him first then sent to people like us to test then sold off great reports. Hopefully the 2nd run will be better for you
 

vitamin_green_inc

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Yea I know what you mean bro. Could've been that as like you said the other pheno is doing fine. It's def a lot of work when your running lots of strains cus like you said they all like different stuff at different amounts. That's why its really best to focus on once strain and run it a few times to see if that's something you really like dial it in good then go from there but as humans we like a lot of variety and stuff and I can't blame no one for growing lots of flavors. But it's def much harder growing them from seed and never have grown them so just keep doing what your doing bro take notes if you can. I would love to but just too scared to keep stuff like that around. My memory is crazy good even tho I smoke madly :lol: if it's very important like remembering these strains and how they grow and what they like I store it like a computer if it's not relevant shits goes out immediately :lol: yea seeing a few herms on different crosses and I'm really not liking that at all plus the Stardawg crosses were pulled way to damn early and germ rates a very low. People getting pale green seeds and even white seeds smdh. It's sad but doesn't suprise me as tbh none of these crosses should be sold one bit until testing is over. Not shitting on the breeder at all as I know he's trying to give people good genetics but these should've been throughly tested by him first then sent to people like us to test then sold off great reports. Hopefully the 2nd run will be better for you
Ain't that the truth dude, but seriously, if I get two different phenotype females per 10 pack of seeds? Not bad at all. I can see the bad stuff happening but just like you said, we as humans want physical proof, and that is what I am attempting that's why I am germing the greenpoint seeds first before I even continue my collection. This is why I want standards sometimes but I hate the thought of big government in our lives, so idk. Oh well, I picked as much as I could and they are beautiful regardless so on with the show!
 

akhiymjames

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Looking awesome bro. Swear I'm glad to see somebody with some good looking plants out their gear with all the issues going on. I know you had a few balls too but nothing to serious but growing from seed is the worse to really judge a strain and pheno. Needs more runs than from seed to actually know if stable or not and maximize its potential. Keep it up man and it won't be long before you harvest some nice looking ladies.
 

vitamin_green_inc

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Looking awesome bro. Swear I'm glad to see somebody with some good looking plants out their gear with all the issues going on. I know you had a few balls too but nothing to serious but growing from seed is the worse to really judge a strain and pheno. Needs more runs than from seed to actually know if stable or not and maximize its potential. Keep it up man and it won't be long before you harvest some nice looking ladies.
Yeah nothing too serious, I picked them all off and only like 2 had tiny immature seeds and there were like 3 others but they didn't have anything in them. Yeah they are starting to put on weight now, I can't wait to try them out haha
 

akhiymjames

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Yeah nothing too serious, I picked them all off and only like 2 had tiny immature seeds and there were like 3 others but they didn't have anything in them. Yeah they are starting to put on weight now, I can't wait to try them out haha
Man you don't know how many people have scrapped runs because of one or two balls smh. I think it's stupid unless it's full blown herm but one or two balls is nothing to me. I can't blame a person for wanting to run something that doesn't throw sacks but making that decision off one run from seed I won't do. Have to be at least 3rd run before I scrap the strain or pheno.
 

vitamin_green_inc

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Man you don't know how many people have scrapped runs because of one or two balls smh. I think it's stupid unless it's full blown herm but one or two balls is nothing to me. I can't blame a person for wanting to run something that doesn't throw sacks but making that decision off one run from seed I won't do. Have to be at least 3rd run before I scrap the strain or pheno.
Too right, and it seems to me like a lot of the more well-known strains COME from Hermies or bag seed or are hermies and slightly unstable.
 

vitamin_green_inc

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You now def right about that. Helluva coinkidink but that trait is in all cannabis stable or not and if right stress is caused can make any of them do this.
Yep, and I think that right there is why the new poly hybrids and complex crosses that are being created nowadays are so picky and can be extremely fussy. GSC and Sour D are two strains I can think of that are supposed to be super unstable clones and will throw nanners at the drop of a hat
 

akhiymjames

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Yep, and I think that right there is why the new poly hybrids and complex crosses that are being created nowadays are so picky and can be extremely fussy. GSC and Sour D are two strains I can think of that are supposed to be super unstable clones and will throw nanners at the drop of a hat
Cherry Pie, OG and others too. But it damn sure doesn't stop me from wanting to have them and run them. Treat em with the proper love and they won't even throw the sacks
 

Goldy

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Too right, and it seems to me like a lot of the more well-known strains COME from Hermies or bag seed or are hermies and slightly unstable.
Pretty sure this is literally how it is though. Like there's two ends of the spectrum. One side has more distinct male and female, thick, very strong stems, lower thc etc. This is hemp and then on the other side of is what we're looking for...somewhat viney, weak stemmed, stanky, hermi prone, high THC and CBD etc. You can certainly breed for good characteristics..but it seems that the fussy weak strains are the most potent generally.
 
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