Grassy Smell Still

thecoolman

thecoolman

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JonnyAppleSeed420 said:
With humid environments like yours, I always recommend a de-humidifier. This allows you to keep an area at a certain R/H and draw that dry air through your dryer. Once you have a constant R/H you will be able to build a decent timeline for a decent dry. Drying and curing are different things, if you plan on curing then your bud should be at that 50-60% before removing from your drying racks and placing in jars, this is when the cure starts. If you don't cure then leaving your herb on the rack until its around that 20-25%, perfect smoking moisture. A easy way to tell is pick up digital fish scale, hang your drying rack on it tare it off, place your product on the rack, take a weight. This is your starting weight or wet weight. Divide that number by 5 and now that becomes your dry weight of your product. Once every morning turn on the scale, take a reading and once you hit your dry weight pull the rack. JAS
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very confusing post I agree on the dehumidifier part though. If your referring to weight when you
mention 50-60% you will have grass. If your referring to humidity of the weed at 50-60% its closer but you need at least 55 percent to cure and it shouldn't be more than around 62% in my opinion.
 
mr sunshine

mr sunshine

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IndicaDom said:
So much bad information in this post, where to start? No, slow drying your plant isn't bullshit, no slow drying your plant doesn't give you a grass smell, and that is exactly what you are doing when you hang the entire plant up. No, the leaves are not sucking moisture from the stems and inner buds, the plant is losing moisture from every single stoma on the plant. I am disputing it. No, dry trimming is more difficult than wet trimming, and you follow that statement up by saying if you disagree...you haven't trimmed enough? I don't think you've ever trimmed a plant in your life. How can the dry be more important than the cure, when it is impossible to cure your bud without a proper drying process? They are related, not mutually exclusive. Wet trimming has nothing to do with the grass smell, and definitely has nothing to do with "always become dry on the outside and stay wet on the inside".
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Hold on are u saying its easyer to trim a plant after it drys? I find it much easyer to trim most of the leaves off right after i pull it and before i hang it. I hate it when the leaves cup the plant and also if its gunna shrink roughly 1 3rd then you dont really have to cut to close just a rough chop.
 
Nizza

Nizza

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i like to leave the fans on for 3-4 days till they dry and let the sugars cup the buds. I trim those off at the end because i believe they help protect the buds. The first jarring/burping will hopefully bring the moisture back from the stems to the buds and i can then handle the buds without being scared of knocking off the crystals.

it's always nice to leave them on a little branch so you can spin it while you trim and then just cut off the excess stem

but everyone does it their own way!! it's good people are sharing the ways that works for them, it would be even better if they include what their regions RH and temps are normally, and how they get around those obstacles; this would be most helpful so that people can use a method that helps them most.
 
JonnyAppleSeed420

JonnyAppleSeed420

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thecoolman said:
very confusing post I agree on the dehumidifier part though. If your referring to weight when you
mention 50-60% you will have grass. If your referring to humidity of the weed at 50-60% its closer but you need at least 55 percent to cure and it shouldn't be more than around 62% in my opinion.
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What's so confusing? I think most people over think this to begin with. 60% moisture remaining is 60% of your wet weight. Weight and moisture content are closely related in this scenario. I think I confused you the way I explained it. 62% come on man that may work for your room and you taste...but there is no magic number, curing is a personal thing. Anywhere from 40-75% a cure can be started, all have decent results. JAS
 
jason1976

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id have said they were still too wet. i live in humid state. had i happen a few times. drying to quick or still being to moist is the reasons ive found. let them dry out more.
 
thecoolman

thecoolman

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JonnyAppleSeed420 said:
What's so confusing? I think most people over think this to begin with. 60% moisture remaining is 60% of your wet weight. Weight and moisture content are closely related in this scenario. I think I confused you the way I explained it. 62% come on man that may work for your room and you taste...but there is no magic number, curing is a personal thing. Anywhere from 40-75% a cure can be started, all have decent results. JAS
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So your refering to curing at 60% percent wet weight then. Why not just buy a mexi brick because your going to have shit. Curing at 75% wet weigh you might as well smoke the lawn. The 58-62% I am referring to is with a hygrometer
I find measuring moisture by weight extremely inaccurate at best.
 
zubey91

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thecoolman said:
So your refering to curing at 60% percent wet weight then. Why not just buy a mexi brick because your going to have shit. Curing at 75% wet weigh you might as well smoke the lawn. The 58-62% I am referring to is with a hygrometer
I find measuring moisture by weight extremely inaccurate at best.
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jarrng with too much moisture is a sure way of turning your dank into brown schwag for sure.
 
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dodadamthang

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jason1976 said:
id have said they were still too wet. i live in humid state. had i happen a few times. drying to quick or still being to moist is the reasons ive found. let them dry out more.
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ditto.

Patience my friend... Let them thangz dry out well before starting your cure; or the harvest could have been immature?
 
BygonEra

BygonEra

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I still don't really get how you know when the buds are dry enough... I've been drying for 4 days in 68-70 degrees, RH at 60% and they seem too dry to have another 4+ days to keep drying. They smell like straight hay. I wet trimmed the bigger buds and left leaves on the smaller buds. Some of the big main stems crack a little when I bend them. But on the edges they already feel crispy dry.. I mean are they supposed to be totally dry to the touch?
 
Stompromper

Stompromper

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So many opinions.... so many bad ones...

Your shit smells like grass because it hasnt dried and cured yet. Drying and curing isnt a 3 day process. It takes weeks to get to a final cured product. Of course if you chopped early and have a miniscule amount of terpenes you wont achieve a very smelly product.

I've wet trimmed and dry trimmedany times. Wet trimming is much easier and will result in a faster dry so you have to run cooler temp and a little higher humidity to keep it slow. Either way, hang it until the stems are getting stiff and the outside of the bud is crispy. Usually 5-7 days depending on how dense they are. Super dense buds take longer to dry of course. Then put them about 1/3 full in a paper bag for a few days and stirr them around every day.

After that jar them up, burp a few times a day for a week, once a day for the next week, and ever few days for two weeks after that and youll have some fine smoke. During the first week of jarring if your buds feel moist after being jarred overnight youll want to bag them again for a day or two. This happens often with the denser buds because the inner moisture doesnt wick out as fast as the outer parts dry.
 
bigbud808

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One of my friends told me he that its best that you just trim all the big fan leaves and leaves that dont have trichomes on em first. (if you see trichomes on a leaf then dont touch it.) then hang in a dark cool place till it starts feeling dry but the stems are still kinda bendy (maybe 5 days). then trim the dry leaves that are covering the bud. then continue to hang em until the stems are right about to snap. cut off buds put in zip lock bags. open ziplock often so to not build up mold. then place buds in jars burp as needed (if buds feel really mosit after 12 hours then lay buds on newspaper until it feels dry again then place back in jars)

he says not trimming all the leaves at first will protect the trichomes and terpenes and keep the smell of the bud within its self. also will slow down the drying process. placing in ziplock bags after will sweat the buds bringing the smell out of the buds (ziplocks are not air tight.) then cure for 2weeks to a month.
 
bigbud808

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also he said that keep all the same size buds together when putting in ziplocks and jars. so the buds sweat and cure evenly.
 
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kermit2692

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Alright page two only and i'm done reading stupid misinformation....kief, cool man you are both fully wrong..as far as smell goes in correlation to drying it is ALWAYS better to remove the fan leaves and trim BEFORE drying bottom line! The wet green hay smell comes from one of two things, leaves, or more likely a problem which can be either something like high heat during the grow or could be that you dried the plant out too much before jarring. Their is a chance that the smell will clear up and yes it's normal for a little bit of a lively smell that can change to good during the cure but in my experience unfortunately is most likely indicative of a bad grow if it is a noticeably unpleasant smell..also smaller airy buds are easy to mess up because they dry out so much faster so if you didn't get a good density it will be harder to get a proper cure...do not over think it, do not listen to these people complicating things for you..you trim you wait a couple days, soon as the buds are a bit crispy they get Jarred, soon as they are most again they come out to just get barely crispy again until they are dry enough to look like normal pot and the jay can stay closed without worry of mold..it's that simple and if that isn't working their is no trick to do the downfall is grow quality
 
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kermit2692

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Btw if your not speaking from experience and"someone told you"this or that...just do us all a favor and don't say anything..lmao keeping the leaves on saves terpenes and keeps the smell within itself..funny shit...

Feel like mentioning i'm not a fan of the paper bags I just dump the jar onto a plastic bag our something..slower evaporation that way and the slower you can make this process the better also worth noting as a noob your much better off drying short and curing longer than drying the 5 days to a week some people advise, where I live that would cause me to miss my cure and ruin the crop
 
kryptoniteglo

kryptoniteglo

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I remember once someone saying the fastest way to lose a friend is to criticize his trimming, drying and curing technique.

PERSONALLY, I believe that a slow dry and slow cure (a two-month process in general) yields beautiful bud that smokes like a dream, with no harshness or coughing. I grow only for personal use, and I do it so I have access to the highest quality bud possible, grown without sprays, pests or mold. And after four months of growing it's exhausting thinking that there's another TWO months to go with the bud just lying around or in jars. But the end results are spectacular.

Yes, if you don't dry and cure properly, your bud will smell like hay, and once you've missed the dry/cure window there's nothing you can do to get it back. To me this would mean I've grown poor-quality weed, which is not my intention, despite all the effort and quality control I've put into the grow.

The first time I went through this process, I read a lot of classic marijuana cultivation books, like the Cannabis Grow Bible, and augmented that with information here from A Perfect Cure Every Time. PERSONALLY I believe success in this process comes from the slowest dry possible without attracting mold. That time will differ, depending on the region's natural humidity levels, etc. I shoot for 10 days, but anything over 7 is acceptable in my book. In order to do this, I keep the plant as whole as possible and hang upside down, and give a good trim. I want to make sure there's plenty of air circulation around the bud. I keep the humidity in my hanging space at around 55%, with fans creating good air movement. Sometimes I'm using a humidifier, and sometimes I'm using a dehumidifier. Each day I check, first weighing the bud in my hand and touching the outside of a bud to see it's drying out and then bending a stem. Bit by bit I can tell by feel and weight that the bud is changing slowly. After 10 days, I'm done with hanging and starting cutting it up. I do a closer manicure, really getting into the bud and snipping out the leaves. I'm pretty meticulous about this -- you can barely see any leaves in my bud at all. I save all the sugar trim and dry that separately much more quickly, and use that for vaping and brownies.

So that's my process. About two months after harvest, and the bud is ready to be smoked. It will continue to improve even more over time. I've found that if I keep the bud curing in jars at 58% RH for six months, the smoke is amazing and impressive to everyone who is lucky enough to get some from me. :)
 
nameno

nameno

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For new people a perfect cure works every time,one would think as much money as we spend on everything like lights and such that we would spend the 20 bucks for a hygrometer so we can tell what it's doing. GL & HY


As for me I keep saying before next harvest,next,next
still haven't done it.
All the things I have done to improve and still letting a simple $20 hygrometer slow me down,that's the end of it!
Before this harvest gets ready I'm getting one! lol
 
nameno

nameno

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kryptoniteglo said:
I remember once someone saying the fastest way to lose a friend is to criticize his trimming, drying and curing technique.

PERSONALLY, I believe that a slow dry and slow cure (a two-month process in general) yields beautiful bud that smokes like a dream, with no harshness or coughing. I grow only for personal use, and I do it so I have access to the highest quality bud possible, grown without sprays, pests or mold. And after four months of growing it's exhausting thinking that there's another TWO months to go with the bud just lying around or in jars. But the end results are spectacular.

Yes, if you don't dry and cure properly, your bud will smell like hay, and once you've missed the dry/cure window there's nothing you can do to get it back. To me this would mean I've grown poor-quality weed, which is not my intention, despite all the effort and quality control I've put into the grow.

The first time I went through this process, I read a lot of classic marijuana cultivation books, like the Cannabis Grow Bible, and augmented that with information here from A Perfect Cure Every Time. PERSONALLY I believe success in this process comes from the slowest dry possible without attracting mold. That time will differ, depending on the region's natural humidity levels, etc. I shoot for 10 days, but anything over 7 is acceptable in my book. In order to do this, I keep the plant as whole as possible and hang upside down, and give a good trim. I want to make sure there's plenty of air circulation around the bud. I keep the humidity in my hanging space at around 55%, with fans creating good air movement. Sometimes I'm using a humidifier, and sometimes I'm using a dehumidifier. Each day I check, first weighing the bud in my hand and touching the outside of a bud to see it's drying out and then bending a stem. Bit by bit I can tell by feel and weight that the bud is changing slowly. After 10 days, I'm done with hanging and starting cutting it up. I do a closer manicure, really getting into the bud and snipping out the leaves. I'm pretty meticulous about this -- you can barely see any leaves in my bud at all. I save all the sugar trim and dry that separately much more quickly, and use that for vaping and brownies.

So that's my process. About two months after harvest, and the bud is ready to be smoked. It will continue to improve even more over time. I've found that if I keep the bud curing in jars at 58% RH for six months, the smoke is amazing and impressive to everyone who is lucky enough to get some from me. :)
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You & I do a lot of the same things with you getting better results by being paitent & going 2 months. One thing I want to quit is touching it to check it so often. Every time I touch it I cringe,because I know how much is lost from touching & handling.
Another thing is I've heard once it's all dry that's it I can't save it so I end up jarring early. The hay smell goes away but the strong smells never come on?
 
kryptoniteglo

kryptoniteglo

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Believe me, it's HARD to wait those two months. The first two months of a grow, you've got your seedling, and you're topping and tying down and every day there's something exciting going on. Then the next two months she's stretching, flowering and bud-building. Again, every day it's exciting and you're full of anticipation for harvest day. Then harvest comes, and you cut her down...and it's SO anti-climatic. The plant is gone, hanging up but not the same. Then there's the bitch of trimming. What a nightmare! And it's still not ready to smoke! ARGH!

And then the buds need jar attention -- with that $20 hygrometer telling you when to open the jars up a bit...and mold fears. Hardest six weeks EVER.

Ah...but the results are worth it! Quart mason jars full of bud line the back of your closet. And it's top-shelf shit. You start thinking you won't mind if Armageddon comes, because that stash will carry you through. Yeah...
 
bird mcbride

bird mcbride

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When it gets a couple of days before the chop I strip all the fans first, Then I chop. I do 12 hours hps, then 12 hours of darkness before I remove them for finish trim etc. Take care that the RO water doesn't go dry and find some way to elevate the shoots about an inch from the bottom.2230.jpg
 
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