Gram per watt?
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Dr. Who
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BULL SHIT!
If I grew 4 Blue dreams under one 1K light and averaged 10.5 zips per. That would be 1209.6 grams. That comes out to 1.2 grams a watt. (this was my average on BD)......Now If I ran only 1 plant. What would happen?
Measuring your growing ability by gm per watt is ,,,, well,,, stupid! A knowing grower can kill the GPW #'s by SOG in small area's!
Using a 4X4 space. The right pot. You can fit 64 plants in that area. With the right strain and flipping at 8-10 inch's. I averaged 32 gms a plant on the 64 plants.
That's 2048 grams, and 3.413 gms per watt under a 600 watt hps! (4.5 lbs+)
How about this one?
35 plants in a 2X2 ebb tray in 4" rockwool cubes. Same deal as above but, under a 250w HPS (It was surrounded by mylar)
31.6 gram average = 1106 gms for a 4.424 gram per watt average! (2.4 lbs+)
I was younger and "bullet" proof in those days! today I keep my #'s legal as "I can't do the time" , so "I don't do the crime!"
If you think these numbers are astronomical. You should see what you can get out of a large "rotating" garden with the right lighting and nutrient.
I have to laugh at the GPW discussions! I find them "meaningless"....
Oh, BTW....That 2X2 ebb system was built as a metal framed and powder coated take down unit. It stands around 5' 8". It is still complete, with the wing, but no ballast. Tray, tank and pump are there. I built it for experimenting and dialing in strains.
You want it? Make an offer...
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Morth
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You would need to veg longer.... But as long as that 1 plant had the same canopy as the 4 combined when you switched to flower the yield would be the same. But in that case your using way more power, nutrients & time because of the longer duration of veg. Not to mention you only have 1 plant something happens to it and ya...
Personally I think multiple plants with a shorter veg time is the smart way, but that doesn't mean you cant get the same results from the same area & light with 1. I look at the guys with 1 plant that they veg forever and think why would you do that! But not my grow and it does technically work just not the best way to go about things in my opinion
nfhiggs
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SCROG, my friend, SCROG. That's the whole reason for it.
nfhiggs
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I'm guessing you missed the whole "how long veg is" portion of my comment. 1 plant = longer veg. Multiple plants = less veg, more initial upfront cost of seeds - unless your cloning your own mother plant, then cost difference is negligible.
Depending on the source, those 64 seeds in your first example could be $500 or more.
Its all about filling the space and using all of your available light. However you choose to do it, whether SOG or SCROG, that IS the key.
MasterMiller
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If your needing constant smoke I understand the more plants=less veg time=quick turnaround but for me(even as ridiculously impatient I am) I'm willing to wait. Maximizing canopy means less I have to cut from the plant to make sure even light coverage is achieved. Since I know my lights don't have the penetration the sun has, LST and scrog help take some of the flower sites you might have cut off due to crappie light penetration and uses those to create more flower sites.
Dr. Who
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Point taken but, you better have a real tall grow area. The next problem is the plant will outgrow the effective footprint of that 1K light and yield quality will suffer. Not to mention penetration in a 10'-12'+ plant.....
Getting large weight off a single plant is better done outdoors.
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Dr. Who
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I missed nothing.
I didn't miss you're "SCROG" comment either.
A single plant will have area height limits and light effective footprint limits.....Those 2 things begin to defeat full size and "SCROG" fairly quickly.
As far as the high plant count #'s.....I made my own S1's ! It's not hard nor does it hurt the quality of the branching not used for seeds.
So then, 0 cost in beans our plants other then the original pack cost....Actually, if I remember right. That was a "traded for" strain. so back to 0 cost.
SCROG is convenient for producing weight with low plant counts. It is, time consuming and increases veg times!
I can still produce more, in less time and space, more effectively!
I defy you to beat my results in a 2X2 space - With any method you want! It took me 3 run's with a strain change after the first to get it to where I wanted it. It took the second run of the second strain to be dialed in and hit my goal.
The 64 plant was a test to estimate, what it would take to do a million dollar harvest......those involved took the info and actually did it.....They made several runs and the place was raided by cops. No one went to jail or was even arrested. The beans came from a well known source, who later went to jail for selling/importing beans into the US....
Lastly; I posted to point to GPW as being meaningless and to show how to KILL it!
I understand maximising your grow, your way, to achieve your goals, with the available resources!
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greg nr
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People growing in legal states have plant limits to deal with. Some as low as 3 in flower. We can't all sog.
But as a metric, it's a fun excersize for me to measure run v run. I only have a 3x3 space, I'm not really going to put more than 4 plants into it once sexed. So it will let me measure run against run.
I don't think it's a mine is bigger than yours thing. Too many variables in different grows. But when measured against itself, I think it has merit.
But as a metric, it's a fun excersize for me to measure run v run. I only have a 3x3 space, I'm not really going to put more than 4 plants into it once sexed. So it will let me measure run against run.
I don't think it's a mine is bigger than yours thing. Too many variables in different grows. But when measured against itself, I think it has merit.
nfhiggs
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I'm not really disagreeing - just trying to point out, that there are multiple ways to maximize your grow *your way* and they all generally have trade-offs. SOG is very effective, never said it wasn't, but *if* you gotta buy beans that's increased cost to start out. Not everyone is *up* on producing seeds like you describe.
What were those results in the 2x2 space? Kinda unfair to say "beat me" but not give the score I'm supposed to beat, nor even the metrics to be used.
AimAim
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In my experience and opinion it is
Just a matter of what your time frame and grow preference is, and intercepting good light on the foliage. There is a point you can't go beyond. Wall to wall green is your goal as you flower.
Max Leaf + Max Light = Max Bud
I tend to oversimplify things, but it's pretty simple.
I think I agree 100% w/this comment, but I'll say it another way. Fill your grow area 100% with foliage. Pound the lights on them. A dozen smallish plants, or 6 mediums or a couple big mothers will probably all yield about the same if you let them run.
Just a matter of what your time frame and grow preference is, and intercepting good light on the foliage. There is a point you can't go beyond. Wall to wall green is your goal as you flower.
Max Leaf + Max Light = Max Bud
I tend to oversimplify things, but it's pretty simple.
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Chunky Stool
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I easily get a pound from my 600w HPS in a 5X5. Hell I could get even more if I tried harder.
A decent grower can get 1g per watt from HID. If you are really good, 1.5 is possible.
Budsonwheels
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What about led lighting g/w?
AimAim
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I can see this but can't get there. Just a personal grow but I run about a 5.5 X 6.5 foot room and get 24 to 30 oz per cycle. Depending on strain and how good a job I do. In soil.
Running a 600 and close to 600 suplimental in LED and CFL. So 1200 actual watts. 36 ft square. Anyway seems to work out to about .75 gram per watt, very happy with that.
Not to hijack anyone but here it what 25ish oz weight looks like in the 5.5 X 6.5, a week ago, 2 weeks out from cut , so add 3 weeks to the pic. (Greenhouse Super Lemon Haze). I know, Greenhouse Sucks. Wrong.
Chunky Stool
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I stuff my 5X5 to get decent yields. The last run was 9 plants. This time I'm doing 5 because two of them are HUGE -- and it's a SCROG. The big plants are in a custom soilless mix & the others are in organic soil.
Even though the plants in organic soil are smaller, they have higher brix. I may crank up the nutes for the plants in soilless mix & see where that goes. All of them will be getting some AACT tomorrow.
Mr.Goodtimes
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I agree 1g/w is obtainable for an experienced grower. I don't think OP is, just based on his first post, which is why I said it was probably unrealistic.
And a lb under a 600 still isn't 1g/w. Somewhere around .75g/w.... Good attainable goal, still.
AimAim
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I've run 3, 4, 6 and 7 and in the end just let them get "stuffed" as you say. It's all good.
nfhiggs
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Yes, that was really what I was trying to convey - FILL THE AREA WITH FOLIAGE.
Dr. Who
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Missed this part did we? - No prob. I get caught not reading whole posts too...
So then, when you
Are you trimming away much? I mean, you have to be removing those that don't reach the canopy. Or, do you harvest in stages?
I've got 5x5 tents in another space for breeding and an "isolation" tent....I used to run six in them and did a light LST. Flowered at 18 - 24". All non "height" viable branching removed = lollypopped...
@AimAim How about you Aim? Trim much on those? Just interested is all.....Nice canopy!
I mean I get the "Do what you can with what you have" thing all day......The SOG was simply to show that GPW is basically meaningless....A goal of 1 per watt is nice to strive for. Plant genetic potentials are still going to be the limiting factor! Blue Dream = should be easy. Blue cheese = That strain will never hit a GPW outside of a well done small scale SOG with way to many single cola plants!