Going outdoors this next season need advice.

Big spliff93

Big spliff93

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Hey everyone I've been growing indoors for two crops now using synthetic nutes, it's been rather disappointing compared to my previous experience outdoors when i grew organically . So I want to move medical garden to my backyard.

So first thing I'd like to know is what do you guys do for bug prevention outdoors. Because my last & only outdoor grow had to be cut early due to these slugs that would just eat the buds off the plants. Didn't know what to do so i cut them early. I had grown an fast flowering indica called Master Kush so they were close to finished when I chopped them & came out surprisingly well.

Also how much gallons soil per plant should i use? Planing on using Subcools recipe but I'm not completely sure yet. And finally I'd like to know if I should plant them in pots or directly in the ground?
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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For your crawling insect issues:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Tanglefoot-15-oz-Insect-Barrier-300000625/100655270

The general rule on container size is 1 gal of medium per foot of height. However, this rule goes out the window when you begin topping and pruning...so I try and oversize my final container. The in container vs. in the ground answer is dependent upon how good your soil is out back. If the Ph is off, that takes time to correct and is best done well ahead of time. But this I do know, as good as that super soil recipe is...you will go bankrupt trying to use it. Keep it simple, try Promix outdoors and add Epsoma organic granule nutes...both also at Home Depot.
 
Big spliff93

Big spliff93

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Sunbiz1 said:
For your crawling insect issues:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Tanglefoot-15-oz-Insect-Barrier-300000625/100655270

The general rule on container size is 1 gal of medium per foot of height. However, this rule goes out the window when you begin topping and pruning...so I try and oversize my final container. The in container vs. in the ground answer is dependent upon how good your soil is out back. If the Ph is off, that takes time to correct and is best done well ahead of time. But this I do know, as good as that super soil recipe is...you will go bankrupt trying to use it. Keep it simple, try Promix outdoors and add Epsoma organic granule nutes...both also at Home Depot.
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Thanks man, Rep up.

So thats just applied on towards bottom of the stalk?

I've heard the gal per foot rule before. Just have no idea how big the final plant will be, I'm probably over thinking things. Just want to get right. I really want to try subcools recipe, it is kind of pricey. I was planing on mixing a half recipe, but then i have to add the the cost of the base soil. Idk if I do decide against the super soil I'll probably just use a brad called Age old organics, i used it before and like the results, and I only used the flowering nute no other additives.
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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Big spliff93 said:
Thanks man, Rep up.

So thats just applied on towards bottom of the stalk?

I've heard the gal per foot rule before. Just have no idea how big the final plant will be, I'm probably over thinking things. Just want to get right. I really want to try subcools recipe, it is kind of pricey. I was planing on mixing a half recipe, but then i have to add the the cost of the base soil. Idk if I do decide against the super soil I'll probably just use a brad called Age old organics, i used it before and like the results, and I only used the flowering nute no other additives.
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Yep, several inches above the soil line. I use sunshine mix, which is close to Promix...then add the Epsoma and a few scoops of worm castings.

For flowering I simply use Earth Juice.

Check out my pics, all grown in the past year with only those 4 items both indoors and in-ground.

Peace
 
Big spliff93

Big spliff93

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Sunbiz1 said:
Yep, several inches above the soil line. I use sunshine mix, which is close to Promix...then add the Epsoma and a few scoops of worm castings.

For flowering I simply use Earth Juice.

Check out my pics, all grown in the past year with only those 4 items both indoors and in-ground.

Peace
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I tried looking for you pics, bit couldn't find them. Maybe you can post a link? Wouldn't mind checking out your crop.
Anyways I went to the hydro store today for soil ordered 5 bags of a soil called Black Gold, Should have them by thursday.
 
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cloudsarehigh

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Hi! if you have slugs or snails causing you trouble and if you are growing in your back yard its easy to construct an electrical fence to keep the slugs out. Its cheap and easy, just google it for more info. It works 100% no slugs or snails shall pass. I use it for my regular garden. You could use it also for guerilla gardens but I have a simpler method for those situations, that is also cheap and easy and fullproof for a long time.

As for planting in pots, I would tray planting in textile pots/bags, you could make your own, but i have only read about it, and it seems a smart way to go, although cant say for sure since I never tried it... Size wise... the bigger the better.
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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Big spliff93 said:
I tried looking for you pics, bit couldn't find them. Maybe you can post a link? Wouldn't mind checking out your crop.
Anyways I went to the hydro store today for soil ordered 5 bags of a soil called Black Gold, Should have them by thursday.
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http://blackgold.bz/products/?id=64
"Our nutrient-rich blend of peat moss, earthworm castings, compost and perlite/pumice is great for indoor and outdoor container plantings."
BG is basically a doctored up Promix or Sunshine blend, and is the same type of medium I use indoors.

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Silva42083

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Growing in the ground will give you a huge harvest.. What state are you in? I'm in So. Cal and started my seeds on VDAY. This is my 1st grow, I have one surviving plant. Now I'm just hoping for a female. Another baby just sprouted about a week ago.
 
BWG707

BWG707

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I heard that using copper wire around your pots will keep slugs away. I tried it last season and had no slugs, but I don't know if I had a slug problem to begin with. I used it as a preventive measure. Actually my biggest bug problem was definitely F---ing bud worms. Ill be ready for them next season.
 
Big spliff93

Big spliff93

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cloudsarehigh said:
Hi! if you have slugs or snails causing you trouble and if you are growing in your back yard its easy to construct an electrical fence to keep the slugs out. Its cheap and easy, just google it for more info. It works 100% no slugs or snails shall pass. I use it for my regular garden. You could use it also for guerilla gardens but I have a simpler method for those situations, that is also cheap and easy and fullproof for a long time.

As for planting in pots, I would tray planting in textile pots/bags, you could make your own, but i have only read about it, and it seems a smart way to go, although cant say for sure since I never tried it... Size wise... the bigger the better.
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Electric fence would probably work, but I have dogs don't want to get them electrocuted. It's going to be A Medical garden been a prop 215 patient for about 3 years now. I think I'm going to use fabric pots with super soil on the bottom. Just don't know If it should
 
Big spliff93

Big spliff93

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Sunbiz1 said:
http://blackgold.bz/products/?id=64
"Our nutrient-rich blend of peat moss, earthworm castings, compost and perlite/pumice is great for indoor and outdoor container plantings."
BG is basically a doctored up Promix or Sunshine blend, and is the same type of medium I use indoors.

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Man those are Nice. Look at all those colas on that second one! Thats impresive. I'll snap a pick of my tent once the light comes at 11.
I'm going to be using the Natural and organic one its OMRI certified. Heres the ingredients:
Earthworm Castings, Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss, Compost, Perlite and/or Pumice
I want to add a little coco, and extra perlite. You think I should do 7 or 10 gallon fabric pots?
 
Big spliff93

Big spliff93

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Silva42083 said:
Growing in the ground will give you a huge harvest.. What state are you in? I'm in So. Cal and started my seeds on VDAY. This is my 1st grow, I have one surviving plant. Now I'm just hoping for a female. Another baby just sprouted about a week ago.
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My problem with putting in the dirt is I can only dig so deep before its close to impossible to go any deeper..I'm in So cal as well. I got a couple cuttings that I just put into dixie cups yesterday, transfer to 2 gallons & then outdoors. The clones are ak 47 from serious seeds.
 

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BWG707 said:
I heard that using copper wire around your pots will keep slugs away. I tried it last season and had no slugs, but I don't know if I had a slug problem to begin with. I used it as a preventive measure. Actually my biggest bug problem was definitely F---ing bud worms. Ill be ready for them next season.
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copper wire? I wonder why that is. I that stuff expensive isn't it I got azamax maybe that will help. Just got a 4oz bottle for close to 30 dollars. Fucking expensive have to check the label see what it says about slugs.
 
kinddiesel

kinddiesel

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growing out doors my opinion is much easy then indoors. except for hiding the plants and keeping BUGS off . those fucking bugs are a pain in the ass ! and mold . most of the time the bud wont get moldy . kinda have to keep your fingers crossed it don't rain and rain . it will grow 20 times bigger out side and faster . and the yield ! holy fuck . if you don't pull 5 times more then indoors your doing some thing wrong. average out door plant around here indica . they pull 1 to 6 pounds ! !!!!!!!! also you need to know how to build a two by 4 support for the plant . build a base over every plant that is 10 feet tall to hand ropes off of it and hand branches . its very exciting growing out side . I stress the security needs to be very tight . from 2 or 3 dogs to having your partners take shifts on the guard towers with the trusty ar 14 rifles. very commonly done . and night vision . for larger grows lol not home grows , also a lot of people sleep in a tent right next to the plants and place cans with stings up trip wires to wake you if you have an intruder. electric fences you need to keep the plants safe . they do smell for miles when its getting close to harvest. what kills most out side grows is frost people that cant wait to pull because of the stress of it might get mold or stolen . those big boys grows don't get ripped . trust me. the security is just like a military base or better ,
 
Big spliff93

Big spliff93

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kinddiesel said:
growing out doors my opinion is much easy then indoors. except for hiding the plants and keeping BUGS off . those fucking bugs are a pain in the ass ! and mold . most of the time the bud wont get moldy . kinda have to keep your fingers crossed it don't rain and rain . it will grow 20 times bigger out side and faster . and the yield ! holy fuck . if you don't pull 5 times more then indoors your doing some thing wrong. average out door plant around here indica . they pull 1 to 6 pounds ! !!!!!!!! also you need to know how to build a two by 4 support for the plant . build a base over every plant that is 10 feet tall to hand ropes off of it and hand branches . its very exciting growing out side . I stress the security needs to be very tight . from 2 or 3 dogs to having your partners take shifts on the guard towers with the trusty ar 14 rifles. very commonly done . and night vision . for larger grows lol not home grows , also a lot of people sleep in a tent right next to the plants and place cans with stings up trip wires to wake you if you have an intruder. electric fences you need to keep the plants safe . they do smell for miles when its getting close to harvest. what kills most out side grows is frost people that cant wait to pull because of the stress of it might get mold or stolen . those big boys grows don't get ripped . trust me. the security is just like a military base or better ,
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Outdoors was a lot easier for me, thats why I want to give it another try only thing that sucks is the long wait to harvest. Although I never harvested a ridiculous amount when I grew outside because it was my first time and had no idea what I was doing, planted really late and didn't really dig big enough holes. I think I'll do better this time. I live in San Diego area so no need to worry about frost. Already have a Big ass german Shepard mix that barks at anything that passes by. My backyard is also up against a canyon. Which is also a plus for security. I'll take a pic tomorrow when the suns out. I was thinking tomato cages? If I still have money left over after buying all the soil the 2 by four frames wouldn't be a bad idea. As for the rifle definitely would come in handy towards harvest. Even just having all the meds after the season would be kinda stressful without it. Might need to get one. Never been much of a gun nut either. Although some of my friends are I've been shooting just dont see what all the fiuss is about.
Thanks man I'll look into the frame good idea.
 

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BWG707

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Yeah security can be a bitch, depending on where you grow. I put a 7' fence up and use heat and motion detectors. Those detectors worked great. I worried more about bugs than anything. Outdoors they can be non-stop, one type after another. It helps if you get a head start on them and always have the supplies on hand. Wind and rain wiped me out a couple times. Lost several big branches even when they where supported. A rain storm late into flowering can do a lot of damage. But the end results are more than worth it.
 
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cloudsarehigh

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Big spliff93 said:
Electric fence would probably work, but I have dogs don't want to get them electrocuted. It's going to be A Medical garden been a prop 215 patient for about 3 years now. I think I'm going to use fabric pots with super soil on the bottom. Just don't know If it should
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Hi! Its not going to electrocute anything, not even the snails... it runs on a 9v battery. here is a link, just to get an idea...http://www.instructables.com/id/Installing-and-testing-an-electric-slug-fence-on-a/

Theres a lot more info out there... I use it for my regular garden and have it running on solar. Its really cheap and easy to do, but what I like about it the most is that it is 100% effective, I have a completly snail/slug free garden ever since without any chemical stuff (aside from the battery) and without any further expense. Cheers.
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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Big spliff93 said:
Man those are Nice. Look at all those colas on that second one! Thats impresive. I'll snap a pick of my tent once the light comes at 11.
I'm going to be using the Natural and organic one its OMRI certified. Heres the ingredients:
Earthworm Castings, Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss, Compost, Perlite and/or Pumice
I want to add a little coco, and extra perlite. You think I should do 7 or 10 gallon fabric pots?
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The bigger the better when it comes to outdoor containers, where heat is your enemy. Temps in contained plants(particularly black plastic)above ground reach much higher *in the root zones than if they were planted directly in-ground. This why you see many growers partially, or even fully bury their fabric containers.

Good luck!
 
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