gmos, and im the luddite?

canndo

canndo

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tokeprep said:
Oh no, I read everything you said. All of it. I don't need to skip anything. You approach this issue with a religious fervor instead of objectively evaluating anything. That's why our conclusions are so very different.

I don't believe in ideology, only facts. I have no reason to prefer GM over non-GM--I'm totally disinterested. If the evidence said GM food was unsafe I'd be on your side. That's not what it says. I would assert that you are not disinterested. Your posts suggest that you genuinely fear this stuff. But your fear seems to come before your evidence; you seem to be selecting evidence that validates your existing fear.
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that is why we are having this discussion, at least that is why I'm am participating, if I can't come up with enough evidence to convince a disinterested party then I might be wrong.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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canndo said:
The seralini study was not picked apart and there seems to have been a great deal of political chicanery surrounding its being pulled.

this particular gmo was designed so that less herbicide would be used but now more is. So any efficacy that you and the others attribute to roundup ready crops is lost. So now, exactly what is round up ready corn good for?

it doesn't taste better, it is not better for you, it doesn't yield more and now farmers are having to buy.... More Roundup!

kindly explain the point of this stuff.
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I will try to make it simple. Roundup ready corn allows farmers to use Roundup on their corn crops to kill weeds and leave their corn crop unscathed, hence planting Roundup ready corn would NATURALLY LEAD TO USING MORE Roundup on their corn crops.

That is the point of planting Roundup ready corn; it allows the use of Roundup to kill weeds. The other methods of killing weeds are more costly and damaging to the environment than spraying Roundup. That is why farmers are willing to pay Monsanto extra for their GM'ed corn: it saves the farmers money and time and yields cheaper corn for consumers, so the farmer makes more money and consumers get cheaper corn.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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tokeprep said:
Oh no, I read everything you said. All of it. I don't need to skip anything. You approach this issue with a religious fervor instead of objectively evaluating anything. That's why our conclusions are so very different.

I don't believe in ideology, only facts. I have no reason to prefer GM over non-GM--I'm totally disinterested. If the evidence said GM food was unsafe I'd be on your side. That's not what it says. I would assert that you are not disinterested. Your posts suggest that you genuinely fear this stuff. But your fear seems to come before your evidence; you seem to be selecting evidence that validates your existing fear.
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Precisely my own position as well. Thank you, tokeprep.
 
canndo

canndo

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desert dude said:
I will try to make it simple. Roundup ready corn allows farmers to use Roundup on their corn crops to kill weeds and leave their corn crop unscathed, hence planting Roundup ready corn would NATURALLY LEAD TO USING MORE Roundup on their corn crops.

That is the point of planting Roundup ready corn; it allows the use of Roundup to kill weeds. The other methods of killing weeds are more costly and damaging to the environment than spraying Roundup. That is why farmers are willing to pay Monsanto extra for their GM'ed corn: it saves the farmers money and time and yields cheaper corn for consumers, so the farmer makes more money and consumers get cheaper corn.
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you didn't read the article. The weeds are becoming resistant.
 
MidwesternGro

MidwesternGro

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What worries me about these GMO crops is that these enzymes that confer resistance to herbicides or insects are usually not thoroughly tested on other mammals. Some diseases, Cruetzfeldt-Jakob disease being an example, are caused by proteins acting as enzymes. What worries me the most are the GMO crops that are designed to be resistant to insects because if the plant matter is toxic to insects what affect may it have on us long term? It can take decades of ingesting toxins before they have an affect, just look at how lead probably caused a spike of antisocial behavior in the baby boom generation.

Edit: Other chemicals besides proteins worry me. Look at the affect that nicotine, an amine that is also a natural insecticide, has on us.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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MidwesternGro said:
What worries me about these GMO crops is that these enzymes that confer resistance to herbicides or insects are usually not thoroughly tested on other mammals. Some diseases, Cruetzfeldt-Jakob disease being an example, are caused by proteins acting as enzymes. What worries me the most are the GMO crops that are designed to be resistant to insects because if the plant matter is toxic to insects what affect may it have on us long term? It can take decades of ingesting toxins before they have an affect, just look at how lead probably caused a spike of antisocial behavior in the baby boom generation.

Edit: Other chemicals besides proteins worry me. Look at the affect that nicotine, an amine that is also a natural insecticide, has on us.
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Can you name one GM plant in common use that is insect resistant?
 
C

collector

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"The technology of insect-resistant transgenic plants is expanding very rapidly, with considerable research activity in both the private and public sectors. The only commercialized insect-resistant transgenic plants to date express genes derived from the bacterium Bacillus thuringiensis, but a wide range of genes from higher plants have also been transferred into crop cultivars, especially genes encoding inhibitors of digestive enzymes and lectins. The use of resistance genes from other microorganisms and animals has so far been limited."

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167779997011712

I want the clear labeling of GMO produce, so that I may make the decision of whether or not to purchase the product
 
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