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redivider

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GM became too big for its own good.

in bankrupcy protection, GM offloaded what was bringing the company down, which were unprofitable companies.

Saturn, Hummer, and Pontiac, gone. those three were really sinking the company. the surviving product line the company has isn't looking that horrible, compared to the past.

and the new company is purged of most of its toxic assets. those went to another company that split off from GM right before bankruptcy protection ended.

you guys have to understand the GM selling its stocks during this IPO is a different company than the one that went into bankruptcy. from an investment standpoint i don't really look at GM's financials, so I'm not sure....
 
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bigv1976

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cliffey501 said:
lol gm wasnt even traded last quarter so that is irrelavant
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How is that irellivant? You buy stock to make money and if the company you invest in is tanking it is not a wise choice but a company that made $2 billion in proffit in 3 months I would say is a good investment.
 
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redivider

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cliffey501 said:
yes i know its still just a made up number they could set the ipo at 80$ a share it doesnt mean the stocks value is 80$ its tough to know what the stocks value is until you see some fininacial statements heres an excerpt from wikipedia
An initial public offering (IPO), referred to simply as an "offering" or "flotation", is when a company (called the issuer) issues common stock or shares to the public for the first time. They are often issued by smaller, younger companies seeking capital to expand, but can also be done by large privately-owned companies looking to become publicly traded.
In an IPO the issuer may obtain the assistance of an underwriting firm, which helps it determine what type of security to issue (common or preferred), best offering price and time to bring it to market.
An IPO can be a risky investment. For the individual investor it is tough to predict what the stock or shares will do on its initial day of trading and in the near future since there is often little historical data with which to analyze the company. Also, most IPOs are of companies going through a transitory growth period, and they are therefore subject to additional uncertainty regarding their future value.
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that number isn't just made up. the company doesn't just say, uh, I'm selling the stock for 25 bucks a piece.

that's not the way it works. there's actual math, involving present and future values that are taken into consideration. the required rate of return for investors is probably the single most important factor in this equation.

i've been to business school you know...... corporate finance, financial markets, advanced financial markets, cost acct, intermediate acct, advanced acct, took them all....... ;)
 
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cliffey501

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How is that irellivant? You buy stock to make money and if the company you invest in is tanking it is not a wise choice but a company that made $2 billion in proffit in 3 months I would say is a good investment.
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2 billion profit now only 37 billion more til they are back in the black.

that number isn't just made up. the company doesn't just say, uh, I'm selling the stock for 25 bucks a piece.

that's not the way it works. there's actual math, involving present and future values that are taken into consideration. the required rate of return for investors is probably the single most important factor in this equation.

i've been to business school you know...... corporate finance, financial markets, advanced financial markets, cost acct, intermediate acct, advanced acct, took them all....... :wink:
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I realize there is more to it than just a random number but its still a risky investment.Companys often inflate their numbers to have a higher ipo so they have more capital to advance the company.And if your the expert whats your opinion buy or not?im curious as well im just a novice at this stuff but do trade.
 
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redivider

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i would not buy GM stock.

even though the new company that came out of bankruptcy protection has a very robust balance sheet, the company still sells shitty small cars, and the american market is shifting towards smaller, more efficient cars. and Cadillacs just aren't the same they used to.

so no. I'd hold off GM stock until their product line has more quality, depth, and appeal.
 
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cliffey501

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redivider said:
i would not buy GM stock.

even though the new company that came out of bankruptcy protection has a very robust balance sheet, the company still sells shitty small cars, and the american market is shifting towards smaller, more efficient cars. and Cadillacs just aren't the same they used to.

so no. I'd hold off GM stock until their product line has more quality, depth, and appeal.
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dam rights a cadillac is just a glorified chevy cavalier nowadays lol.Thanks for the advice. im currently invested in ATVI +7%,MSFT +7,BP -2%,SLB +22%. the percentages indicates the gains or losses since ive aquired them.I'd be interested in your opinions on these stocks if you have 1?
 
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redivider

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i don't do a lot of capital investing. i lost nearly 50k when the market crashed 2 years ago on my share of a trust fund i've been a part of since i was born, since then i've really kept a weary view on stocks and pretty much hate talking about the market. worst part was one of the companies threw a party celebrating 20 straight quarters beating EBIT (Earnings Before Interest and Taxes) forecasts.....
 
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redivider

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keep your eye on tech journals.

some of them have killer scoops on new tech coming around. but those pages refresh a few times a day, so you kinda have to be glued onto the computer.

one of the best scoops i saw was the playstation phone. the company has already confirmed and even released a pic of a prototype, but another entity which had zero access managed to generate a mock-up which looked almost spot-on.....

and when you get the newspaper, check the page that publishes information regarding patents, lawsuits, etc. keep an eye out for a page that might be releasing a lot of info in fine print.

that's how real analysts do their job. companies are required to make a lot of information public, but most of what you hear them bolstering and shouting about is really good news.

they whisper as quietly as possible all the negative shit.
 
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cliffey501

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i don't do a lot of capital investing. i lost nearly 50k when the market crashed 2 years ago on my share of a trust fund i've been a part of since i was born, since then i've really kept a weary view on stocks and pretty much hate talking about the market. worst part was one of the companies threw a party celebrating 20 straight quarters beating EBIT (Earnings Before Interest and Taxes) forecasts.....
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50k eh? thats sucks bro i feel your pain

keep your eye on tech journals.

some of them have killer scoops on new tech coming around. but those pages refresh a few times a day, so you kinda have to be glued onto the computer.

one of the best scoops i saw was the playstation phone. the company has already confirmed and even released a pic of a prototype, but another entity which had zero access managed to generate a mock-up which looked almost spot-on.....

and when you get the newspaper, check the page that publishes information regarding patents, lawsuits, etc. keep an eye out for a page that might be releasing a lot of info in fine print.

that's how real analysts do their job. companies are required to make a lot of information public, but most of what you hear them bolstering and shouting about is really good news.

they whisper as quietly as possible all the negative shit.
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Sounds like some good advice to me thanks.
 
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NoDrama

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Too bad none of you got that stock, it was only offered to big wigs. SILVER IMO is the next big money maker, already up over 300% from less than 2 years ago.
 
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nl3004.kind

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NoDrama said:
Too bad none of you got that stock, it was only offered to big wigs. SILVER IMO is the next big money maker, already up over 300% from less than 2 years ago.
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that makes it old news... eventually it will peak, and unless you get out then, you aren't gonna reap investment, just what you invested.. now if you had invested two years ago, that is a different story... right now, undervalued muni's are the place to be... right now they are dimes to pennies on the dollar compared to actual valuation, and if you get in *now* when everything settles out for the better you would be sitting on some real return on investment... just sayin.
 
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NoDrama

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nl3004.kind said:
that makes it old news... eventually it will peak, and unless you get out then, you aren't gonna reap investment, just what you invested.. now if you had invested two years ago, that is a different story... right now, undervalued muni's are the place to be... right now they are dimes to pennies on the dollar compared to actual valuation, and if you get in *now* when everything settles out for the better you would be sitting on some real return on investment... just sayin.
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I invested when an ounce of silver was 5$, 700% gains so far and at least 400% more as I see it. Silver isn't a stock or a bond, its value can never be nothing unlike PAPER promises.

And as far as Muni's go? hope none of them go bankrupt or default on you, leaving you holding worthless paper promises. Because really that's exactly what it is, a promise to pay backed by nothing but more paper promises to pay called Federal Reserve Notes.
 
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nl3004.kind

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as you said nodrama, when it was low *was* the time to invest... we'll see how far the munis take in the next 5 years... very few towns actually go out of business, you know? i hear about the paper promises, but that is what the market is composed of... stocks, bonds, municipal funds, securities, they all are on paper... and unless you are actually holding your silver somewhere safe, all you own is a piece of paper that says you own x amount of silver... if you are holding your silver, then i retract my previous statement...
 
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NoDrama

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nl3004.kind said:
as you said nodrama, when it was low *was* the time to invest... we'll see how far the munis take in the next 5 years... very few towns actually go out of business, you know? i hear about the paper promises, but that is what the market is composed of... stocks, bonds, municipal funds, securities, they all are on paper... and unless you are actually holding your silver somewhere safe, all you own is a piece of paper that says you own x amount of silver... if you are holding your silver, then i retract my previous statement...
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I actually own PHYSICAL silver, thousands of ounces of real .999 pure silver. Some is locked in a safe, some is buried on my property, some is in a Safe Dep box and some of it is hidden in the house. I also own gold, but its not an investment, only a hedge on inflation. I DO own stocks, just very little American or Dollar denominated ones, mostly Canadian, Australian and Some Chilean mining companies.

As interest Rates rise your going to start seeing towns go belly up as they can no longer roll their debt over.
 
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I bought google back when it came out with 15k borrowed and paid it back and am sitting on the rest for my older years.

Stay away from GM, owned by the government and china?? thats not good.
 
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