giving defoliation during flower a try

ayr0n

ayr0n

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RM3 said:
For every one else ,,,,,,,

Simply watch your plants and you'll see it, leaves with red stems are sinks, non-red stems are sources (the solar panels) the defoil experts know to remove the sinks LOL (adding that cause this is a defoil thread) The number of sinks you see on a plant is directly proportional to the amount of nutes available in your medium. The plant stores nutes in preparation for winter, it is genetically encoded to do so and it only stores what it needs. When the leaves start to yellow, whether from the natural fade at the end or from an N def you will see that the red stemmed leaves are the ones it pulls from. All ya gotta do is watch :)
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So going off of this ^^^ if you were to remove these fading yellow leaves with red stems, then the plant would have to resort to finding a new leaf/leaves to pull from n turn yellow right? I wonder what might happen if you didn't remove them o_O



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Doer

Doer

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RM3 said:
For every one else ,,,,,,,

Simply watch your plants and you'll see it, leaves with red stems are sinks, non-red stems are sources (the solar panels) the defoil experts know to remove the sinks LOL (adding that cause this is a defoil thread) The number of sinks you see on a plant is directly proportional to the amount of nutes available in your medium. The plant stores nutes in preparation for winter, it is genetically encoded to do so and it only stores what it needs. When the leaves start to yellow, whether from the natural fade at the end or from an N def you will see that the red stemmed leaves are the ones it pulls from. All ya gotta do is watch :)
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What a bunch of Bullshit.
 
RM3

RM3

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ayr0n said:
So going off of this ^^^ if you were to remove these fading yellow leaves with red stems, then the plant would have to resort to finding a new leaf/leaves to pull from n turn yellow right? I wonder what might happen if you didn't remove them o_O



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Depends on lots of different factors
 
BROBIE

BROBIE

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skunkd0c said:
many nutes provide most macros in chelated form this allows uptake across a wider range of ph values
i find anywhere between 5.5 and 6.8 works fine
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Very true. Nutes like Jacks Citrus FeEd and AN Sensi use chelated zinc,manganese and copper. Makes a difference IMO in that it's easier not worrying too much about PH
 
skunkd0c

skunkd0c

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BROBIE said:
Very true. Nutes like Jacks Citrus FeEd and AN Sensi use chelated zinc,manganese and copper. Makes a difference IMO in that it's easier not worrying too much about PH
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Yeh i do not own a ph meter haven't had one for about 18 years, pointless imo
i have always lived in a hardwater area, so tap water is always 7.2-7.4 i can guess the ph pretty accurately by the EC reading
i add small amount of pH down initially when EC is low 1.0 , but once i get them into flower with an EC of about 1.5 - 2.0 the solution will be acidic enough without any phosphoric acid additions 5.8-6.5 or so

peace
 
Doer

Doer

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BROBIE said:
This coming from a guy who never heard of sinks in a plant or whole ecosystem . I think I caught wind of sinks in 8th grade or so.
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Sinks in the way he used it is meaningless. When I learned it was called "stores."

Had he said I have too much stores, it would be equally as meaningless.
The plant stores or uses, on its own. It doesn't need any tweaking from tweakers.

So what?
 
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schuylaar

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Doer said:
Sinks in the way he used it is meaningless. When I learned it was called "stores."

Had he said I have too much stores, it would be equally as meaningless.
The plant stores or uses, on its own. It doesn't need any tweaking from tweakers.

So what?
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he's just being nice:hug:..i like when other growers critique..you can never know too much and certainly never know it all.
 
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schuylaar

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skunkd0c said:
many people seem to fuss over PH more than is necessary IMO
some growers will be checking ph daily and adding ph down or up
if it goes 0.1 either side they start to worry

this is what is printed on the back of a bottle of canna aqua vega

Due to the special composition of this nutrient it is not necessary to adjust the pH levels after setting it initially
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peace
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hey skunkdoc!
 
Doer

Doer

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He means the storage areas for the products of photosynthesis. It has nothing to do with the nutrition in, I don't think. That is just un-processed mineral ions, as a remarkable grower such as Sky, already knows.
 
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Doer

Doer

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BROBIE said:
So what- because you slam RM on something he is trying to educate you , yet you call bullshit on something, when it's obvious you don't know shit about what you're calling bullshitting on in the first place -dig?


shit
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It's bullshit. The stores don't work that way.
 
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schuylaar

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Doer said:
But, what are sinks? I've never heard of that. I use cal/mag and NFe, in sprays as supplements so I don't know where you see Cal/Mag spots.
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he's not referring to spots..if you look at the fan on left of week 4 pic, you can see a slight mg def by the way the veins look within the fan:

the leaf is presenting like example: row 3, leafs 2 & 3.

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Doer

Doer

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Lots of sinks on that one, Ary. It must be bad, very bad. Oh no. The sky is getting dark....run!@@@!
 
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