Get a Harvest Every 2 Weeks

i plan on growin white widow, gonna order some seeds from the amsterdam shit when i finish buildin these last couple tables. im tryin to get the most bang for my buck out of 4'x5' tables. think those plants would hadle 4 per? or would i be safer at 3 per foot?

Altair Everex said:

i dont mean question ur experience, but several other sites say that 4 per sqft is crowding the plant, true? just asking to be certain before i get to that point

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If you try to keep 4 UNPRUNED plants per sq ft, yes- they'll be seriously crowded. However, the pruning method employed in SoG (remove all branching on lower 1/3 of the plant) solves this problem.

Altair Everex said:

i plan on growin white widow, gonna order some seeds from the amsterdam shit when i finish buildin these last couple tables. im tryin to get the most bang for my buck out of 4'x5' tables. think those plants would hadle 4 per? or would i be safer at 3 per foot?

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Should be no problem at all with White Widow. WW is not a terribly bushy strain as it is- if you prune correctly for SoG, 4 per sf will be fine.

sweet, just what i wanted to hear

When I put a fresh clone in to flower, it has only known 24 hour daylight, either on the mum plant or in the clone box. It takes about 3 weeks in 12/12 to switch fully from vegetative to flowering mode, even on high-P nutes. The plants will grow vegetatively for a few weeks on 12/12 but will stop gaining height at wk 3-4 all by themselves at about 1 metre tall.



Since you switch your clones from 24/7 to 12/12 after they root, do you have any issues with stressing your plants with the change like that or do any of your plants turn...?? I was talking to a friend and he told me he does a gradual decline in light because he had an issue with them turning hermie , I know that can beause my other factors as well but what sort of issues do you have if any?

Al B,
Many thanks for the inspiration in this thread. It took me until my 3rd grow cycle to really grasp what you have written. I have successfully got the cloning down (I think), and just set 16 plants into the flower room to begin their 8 week oddessy.

My first grown in an upstairs closet yielded some very nice Mr. Nice G13x Hash Plant. I even got one plant of Marley's Collie, which BTW, is a superb smoke.

Second grow was Durban Poison as I prefer the sativa's.

The plant which seems to thrive well, clone nicely, is the Bangi Haze. The plants seem very easy to root when cloning and seem to take a lot of abuse while I am learning things.

It took me several months of reading your cloning advise to realize that I was using a 3" Rockwool cube when I should have been using a 1.5". Should have done the MM to Inches conversion early on.

Here is a shot at the flowering room. Working on Room 3 now which I am going to do in the Ebb and Grow. The present flowering room has 2 each Eurogrower units holding 8 plants each.

Keep up the great writing and teaching skills for all of us.

rifishman

CaliGurl said:

Since you switch your clones from 24/7 to 12/12 after they root, do you have any issues with stressing your plants with the change like that or do any of your plants turn...?? I was talking to a friend and he told me he does a gradual decline in light because he had an issue with them turning hermie , I know that can beause my other factors as well but what sort of issues do you have if any?

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Something else was turning your mate's plants hermie. I've been slamming clones from 24/7 to 12/12 for about 7 years now; hermaphrodism isn't one of my problems.

Al B. Fuct said:

Something else was turning your mate's plants hermie. I've been slamming clones from 24/7 to 12/12 for about 7 years now; hermaphrodism isn't one of my problems.

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I do predomantly soil, ok actually like all soil... and he was as well, I think it was his ph flippin em?? but not sure, I just heard from someone that induced stress can cause them to flip, they gave me light as an example, and was curious if you had issues. WOW well I can say after almost 40 pages of this, this thread should have been half that lol, YOU ALL LAZY ASS NEED TO READ FIRST!!! lol. N-E-Ways great thread Al, I think you have more specifics ect.. in this one then on GC there, glad I came over. I unfortunately am completely inept when it comes to hydro, but have been hearing all sorts of great things and desperately want to switch as soil is an ass pain. I have however been reading a bit aout hydro and would like to know of a good guide to follow as far as construction of the actual Hydro system goes. Do you by cahnce have the construction of you system on here or anyone else have one similar where you have ACTUAL instructions, im not a pic person I have to read it to do it. any advice, help, inof much appreciated.

Grazi

you still havn't got started on your h-dro???

CALIGROWN said:

you still havn't got started on your h-dro???

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I assume thats directed to me? If so No I havent busy lady plus want to have all my stuff in order and together before I just throw sumthing up.

Thats a kick ass setup...

CaliGurl said:

Do you by cahnce have the construction of you system on here or anyone else have one similar where you have ACTUAL instructions, im not a pic person I have to read it to do it. any advice, help, inof much appreciated.

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You've asked me that a couple of times; I don't have anything written up specifically about the construction of the op. Quite a lot of it is specific to where my op is located.

My op is basically 5 independent flood systems; one small, roughly 1' x 3' tray lighted with a 400HPS for mums and four 820mm x 820mm in the flowering area with a 1000HPS over each pair. All this is located in a room lined with panda film, an oscillating circ fan in each corner and thermostatically operated intake and exhaust fans. It's really no more complex than that.

The real magic comes in how one actually grows the plants, with sequential feeding of a batch of cuttings into the op every 2 weeks and pruning of the branching off the lower 1/3 of the plants in wks 1 & 3. The result is mainly top colas, with a batch ready to harvest every 2 weeks.

i can start with like 1 table of flowering and introduce more as money is available? like start with 1 table for 8 weeks of flowering, introduce a second table for 1-4weeks and 5-8 weeks, then introduce 2 more tables after that for the every 2 week system? just asking so i dont start and kill my children by somethin i assumed instead of knew

I do something simular to this on a much smaller scale.
I flower 5 plants at a time under 400w hps with ebb and flow. initially I added the plants one at a time with a couple of weeks in between. Then when harvesting started, I just add one everytime I pull one. Of course, they are clones. The plant I like to add is the clone mother as she is so cut up that she gets all kinds of nice almost cola's.
Just my 2cents

Altair Everex said:

i can start with like 1 table of flowering and introduce more as money is available? like start with 1 table for 8 weeks of flowering, introduce a second table for 1-4weeks and 5-8 weeks, then introduce 2 more tables after that for the every 2 week system? just asking so i dont start and kill my children by somethin i assumed instead of knew

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Yes, you can build your system piecemeal if you like. Just be financially ready to buy the gear you need to expand the op when the plants are ready- or it will come to tears. You don't want to feed more plants in than you have the capacity to house.

onehandedroller said:

initially I added the plants one at a time with a couple of weeks in between. Then when harvesting started, I just add one everytime I pull one. Of course, they are clones. The plant I like to add is the clone mother as she is so cut up that she gets all kinds of nice almost cola's.

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Of course, that's exactly how it works here, else than your handling of old mums. Mums which have been cut back several times will flower copiously with many bud sites and will be very bushy. Each will occupy several times the usual space of the 'lollipopped' plants, so be ready for that.

I find that after about 6-8 weeks of providing cuttings, my mums are losing vigor and may have picked up some gnats in the rootmass or their general weakness may make them more susceptible to powdery mildew. Instead of flowering my old mums, they go to the compost. Their rootmasses and old media go to the rubbish, along with any problems they may have acquired in their selfless service to the cause. This prevents problems being introduced into the main flowering area.

Al B. Fuct said:

Of course, that's exactly how it works here, else than your handling of old mums. Mums which have been cut back several times will flower copiously with many bud sites and will be very bushy. Each will occupy several times the usual space of the 'lollipopped' plants, so be ready for that.

I find that after about 6-8 weeks of providing cuttings, my mums are losing vigor and may have picked up some gnats in the rootmass or their general weakness may make them more susceptible to powdery mildew. Instead of flowering my old mums, they go to the compost. Their rootmasses and old media go to the rubbish, along with any problems they may have acquired in their selfless service to the cause. This prevents problems being introduced into the main flowering area.

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i am a noob, so you tear down your mothers and replace them with clones? isn't that undesirable? i thought the idea was to keep the mother alive and just clip clones off when necessary

denverm4x said:

i am a noob, so you tear down your mothers and replace them with clones? isn't that undesirable? i thought the idea was to keep the mother alive and just clip clones off when necessary

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Mums only last so long.

daddychrisg said:

As Al has said many times...After about 6-8 weeks of taking cuttings, he finds that they loose vigor, and can possibly be susceptible to bugs and mildew..By Keeping the moms young and fresh

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yeah, wot 'e said.

Al B. Fuct said:

Mums only last so long.



yeah, wot 'e said.

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well excuse my naivety, as i am a newbie, but wouldn't that eventually lead to clones of clones of clones of clones...? so eventually the strain is far removed from its original mother?

well excuse my naivety, as i am a newbie, but wouldn't that eventually lead to clones of clones of clones of clones...? so eventually the strain is far removed from its original mother?

Hmmm..That is always debatable, but the definition of a clone is~

1. A cell, group of cells, or organism that is descended from and genetically identical to a single common ancestor, such as a bacterial colony whose members arose from a single original cell.
2. An organism descended asexually from a single ancestor, such as a plant produced by layering or a polyp produced by budding.
3. A DNA sequence, such as a gene, that is transferred from one organism to another and replicated by genetic engineering techniques.
4. One that copies or closely resembles another, as in appearance or function

Genetically a clone should have all the same characteristics that the previous plant had. I personally don't think at this point that my clones have lost any trait that the original "from seed" mother had. But I am sure someone will have a different opinion.