Genetics and Leaf size

growingforfun said:
Think we are saying the same thing differently or something
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I was saying (not well) that the micro life is not part of my reasoning. It is the roots searching out food that compells them to branch out internally instead of just going down and out. And the drier days is when they spend more time on root growing.

But yes. Almost the same thing. But If it is pro mix and jacks fertilizer with no organic life really it would still work the same way.
 
growingforfun said:
I've had several strains make big leaves. The key is to not top or do any lst.
Kush strains should basically all do it.
Sour bubble from bog gave leaves bigger than a piece of printer paper.

Sativas to it too easily.

Just don't top or train and let em grow an you'll see em.

On a 4 week old plant leaves are already bigger than my hand, strain is a unnamed cross a friend made.
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Master Kush produced the biggest fan leaves I've come across, personally.
 
MichiganMedGrower said:
I was saying (not well) that the micro life is not part of my reasoning. It is the roots searching out food that compells them to branch out internally instead of just going down and out. And the drier days is when they spend more time on root growing.

But yes. Almost the same thing. But If it is pro mix and jacks fertilizer with no organic life really it would still work the same way.
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If you use organics there's gonna be some microbial life, but if your not supplementing at all I highly advise trying out a bag of mykos by xtreme gardening. I greatly prefer the granular vs the powder but that's preference. It's a very cheap way to much improved results.

The world record holder pumpkin was grown with it, it totally changes the way the roots grow and makes them feather out, they claim it's increases root area by 1000x and I'd believe it.
 
growingforfun said:
If you use organics there's gonna be some microbial life, but if your not supplementing at all I highly advise trying out a bag of mykos by xtreme gardening. I greatly prefer the granular vs the powder but that's preference. It's a very cheap way to much improved results.

The world record holder pumpkin was grown with it, it totally changes the way the roots grow and makes them feather out, they claim it's increases root area by 1000x and I'd believe it.
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I have active micro life in my natural grow. Although inoculation did not improve my results personally. (There is much argument about myco and small container gardening).

But I am saying a nuetral chemical based grow will benefit from the dry cycle.

Organic gardeners pushing micro life usually say they need to keep the pot wetter than I do between watering to keep the life alive. That's what has confused me with your comment.
 
Maybe some need to stay wet, and I agree not all brands work, but the mykos granular is really good. If you put a spoonful in the bottom of the hole when transplanting in a side by side you'll see what I mean. The plant with mykos will be bigger, produce more, be more drought tolerant, pretty much better in all ways in my experience. And the granular constantly refreshes the populations. That could be the differance in why going very dry doesn't matter.
 
growingforfun said:
Maybe some need to stay wet, and I agree not all brands work, but the mykos granular is really good. If you put a spoonful in the bottom of the hole when transplanting in a side by side you'll see what I mean. The plant with mykos will be bigger, produce more, be more drought tolerant, pretty much better in all ways in my experience. And the granular constantly refreshes the populations. That could be the differance in why going very dry doesn't matter.
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It was not when I tried. The more complete but not overdone my nutrients are has proven to show what you claim not inoculation. And I tried inoculated potting mixes and the product you say as well as a granular mix from the farm store here. Which is much better than the hydro store one. Most myco mixes did not even have many viable spores when tested in Washington state. I don't have that fertilizer testing link though. I believe Mycos claimed more than the test showed as well.

The fertilizer we use is proven to kill off the spores and even too much natural potassium will kill it right off.

I am very big on not pushing products based on pseudo science. And I am sorry but as useful outside in nature it is it did nothing but drain my wallet for a while.

Silica too. But only because it is not neccesary in soil grows.
 
Kinda surprised you didn't see positive results, it was very noticeable in all the tests I was a part of. Side by sides of products at the hydro store, and in gardens I consulted on, and and my personal gardens. I got free samples of dozens of products and I agree there is a lot of hype. I don't add silica to my plants either, I think it's way over pushed on people. Maybe your style fully replaces the need for mykos, I guess if your already getting half inch hairs growing out the sides of your roots on every root it can't do a job already being done.
 
growingforfun said:
Kinda surprised you didn't see positive results, it was very noticeable in all the tests I was a part of. Side by sides of products at the hydro store, and in gardens I consulted on, and and my personal gardens. I got free samples of dozens of products and I agree there is a lot of hype. I don't add silica to my plants either, I think it's way over pushed on people. Maybe your style fully replaces the need for mykos, I guess if your already getting half inch hairs growing out the sides of your roots on every root it can't do a job already being done.
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That's kind of what I am saying. And if you can't get the growth from environment and proper practices I don't think the product will likely work either.

I also don't think roots have much problem taking up elements in a little pot. I use #3 nursery pots as my final one to flower in. 2.4 gallons and 10 " wide the food is all local to the roots.

Trees use myco to form a vast network to find elements spread out in the ground outside. It is a pseudo science kind of theory for containers.

And they have proven the myco can compete with the plant for food in a small container as well.

And myco can compete with other more important bacteria breaking down food for the plants.

Just what I have read and learned.

And with inoculation I saw the side root hairs as you describe and not so much without. But the more complete soil without the myco grew larger healthier better plants. And every time. Same results with same nutes in soil.

I believe that the more and diverse elements available to the plant and the best stable environment is where the quality comes from. I use no additives for any results I have posted.

My last Black Widow x Blue Lemon Thai yielded 7.5 oz of dense nugs in ocean forest in a 2.4 gallon pot and only some pure blend pro added half way through flowering.

I think for my garden size I am pretty maxed out. :-)
 
Very nice results, you clearly have a good system. Few questions if you don't mind. (I realize we totally thread jacked at this point, so gonna take it off the tracks LOL)

First, what light(s) in what size area, and number of plants. You may have already mentioned it, but after your last post it's related. You said ffof with no additives, so I'm assuming you mean straight out of the bag ffof, using only a bit of pure blend pro at the end. Please correct if I got the wrong.

I also agree small containers can give great results when properly maintained. I saw some crazy results from rooms running 3 gallons ffof. Biggest problem with small pots is they tip over easily, if your around to keep them watered then you have excellent control.
 
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Ecogrow "M" (20-6-12) is a tropical formula patterned after an Israeli formula for growing, split-leaf "Monstera" pHilodendrons. This high nitrogen formula is ideal for tropical broad leaf plants at high temperatures (80o to 100o F, 26o to 30oC.) and high light levels (2000 to 5000 foot candles/square meter). "M" will turn a garden into a jungle!

this gave me the largest Indica leaves of any I've ever seen growing since 2008.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/keep-em-green.932158/page-2#post-13304989
 
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