Gas at $1.49 a gallon. =D

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
I'm pretty sure we can blame Laisse-faire capitalism on the predicament we're in now.
Still beating that same old DEAD, DESSICATED Horse, Med?

Don't you think that after nearly a century of anything but Laisse-Faire Capitalism that the real problem is staring us right in our face?

Stupid Socialist Principles that seem to have the misbegotten notion that everyone has a "right" to medical care and food and shelter with out having to get off their asses to work for it.

I mean, if it was truly a laisse-faire capitalist system there would be nothing to stop me from creating a corporation, and selling stock directly to the public with out having to go through middle men like "Lemon" Brothers, "Oldman Sacks" and Merrill "Boa Lunch". You know, those same companies that have shown that despite being subsidized through a SOCIALIST regime that makes everyone use them as middle men they were so stupid that they still can't make money?
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
It would be easier to have a "right" to medical care if prescriptions weren't controlled by doctors who charge $120 for an office call where they spend all of 5 minutes with you.

It would be easier to have food if you could just go out and hunt at will or even fish at will, but you can't. You have to buy a license, you have to wait for the right season.

It would be easier to have and maintain shelter if the government didn't tax the shit out of property owners. Then they make laws, if you live in a flood zone you HAVE to purchase flood insurance. If you don't live in a flood zone you are NOT ALLOWED to purchase flood insurance. Then the city takes your property tax money and spends it on bullshit, the storm drains back up during a big rain and suddenly people have lost everything they own and have no insurance.

Some of us feel that since we pay out the ass for services that we should actually get those services we paid for. I pay property tax to support a school system that my daughter couldn't attend due to severe allergies that the principal made fun of. I paid for her schooling through my tax dollar and then had to pay a second time for schooling because she couldn't go inside the building I help fund.

The CEO's of all these bailout corporations didn't really do a whole lot to earn those millions per year that they took home, yet they got those millions, and now they have our tax dollar as well. Meanwhile they get to keep their homes, cars, private jets, vacation properties, clothes, jewels. I'm sure the everyday private citizen enjoys hocking their belongings to pay for food and gas, while the fat rich bastards don't even get prosecuted for their crimes.

Let me go out and steal 50 million dollars and let's see what happens.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
It would be easier to have a "right" to medical care if prescriptions weren't controlled by doctors who charge $120 for an office call where they spend all of 5 minutes with you.

It would be easier to have food if you could just go out and hunt at will or even fish at will, but you can't. You have to buy a license, you have to wait for the right season.

It would be easier to have and maintain shelter if the government didn't tax the shit out of property owners. Then they make laws, if you live in a flood zone you HAVE to purchase flood insurance. If you don't live in a flood zone you are NOT ALLOWED to purchase flood insurance. Then the city takes your property tax money and spends it on bullshit, the storm drains back up during a big rain and suddenly people have lost everything they own and have no insurance.

Some of us feel that since we pay out the ass for services that we should actually get those services we paid for. I pay property tax to support a school system that my daughter couldn't attend due to severe allergies that the principal made fun of. I paid for her schooling through my tax dollar and then had to pay a second time for schooling because she couldn't go inside the building I help fund.

The CEO's of all these bailout corporations didn't really do a whole lot to earn those millions per year that they took home, yet they got those millions, and now they have our tax dollar as well. Meanwhile they get to keep their homes, cars, private jets, vacation properties, clothes, jewels. I'm sure the everyday private citizen enjoys hocking their belongings to pay for food and gas, while the fat rich bastards don't even get prosecuted for their crimes.

Let me go out and steal 50 million dollars and let's see what happens.

$120 isn't that much, less than 15 hours at $8/hr.

Of course, after the government steals its portion of that person's income which amounts to $2,100/year (enough for 17 doctor visits) under the guise of securing their retirement and providing them with health care in the future they can't afford health care right now.

The problem isn't the corporate executives. If government would just choose one variable to fuck with the country would be a lot better off. The government could either fuck with minimum wage, and thus try to ensure that everyone can afford health care (which seems to me a lot more important that making sure everyone gets to retire), or they could not fuck with minimum wage, and not worry about how much any one is making and steal directly from the corporations instead of the people to provide all the idiotic services that liberals think they should provide.

Of course, the failure in both cases is that the end result is the same thing, a system under which the people are nothing more than minimally kept slaves for the government.

Which is also the failure of the current government.

OASDI - Involuntary Taxes - Slavery
Income Taxes - Involuntary Taxes - Slavery

Of course, technically taxing food would also make for an involuntary tax, but you can at least minimize it by not eating more than you actually need. Which would go a far way towards solving the obesity epidemic, and thus save everyone billions of dollars as food prices went down (less demand) and medical costs went down (less demand.)

But that'd be too logical, and too "regressive" never mind that the real regressive system is the current income tax scheme which effectively makes everyone in the United States a government slave/serf/involuntary servant.
 

chuckbane

New Member
$120 isn't that much, less than 15 hours at $8/hr.

Of course, after the government steals its portion of that person's income which amounts to $2,100/year (enough for 17 doctor visits) under the guise of securing their retirement and providing them with health care in the future they can't afford health care right now.

The problem isn't the corporate executives. If government would just choose one variable to fuck with the country would be a lot better off. The government could either fuck with minimum wage, and thus try to ensure that everyone can afford health care (which seems to me a lot more important that making sure everyone gets to retire), or they could not fuck with minimum wage, and not worry about how much any one is making and steal directly from the corporations instead of the people to provide all the idiotic services that liberals think they should provide.

Of course, the failure in both cases is that the end result is the same thing, a system under which the people are nothing more than minimally kept slaves for the government.

Which is also the failure of the current government.

OASDI - Involuntary Taxes - Slavery
Income Taxes - Involuntary Taxes - Slavery

Of course, technically taxing food would also make for an involuntary tax, but you can at least minimize it by not eating more than you actually need. Which would go a far way towards solving the obesity epidemic, and thus save everyone billions of dollars as food prices went down (less demand) and medical costs went down (less demand.)

But that'd be too logical, and too "regressive" never mind that the real regressive system is the current income tax scheme which effectively makes everyone in the United States a government slave/serf/involuntary servant.
think of this TBT. A tax bracket system that does not work off yearly salary, rather wors off how important your job is to society.

In my opinion teachers, doctor, firemen, tradesmen, policemen... should pay no taxes. people who make thier money doing something "unimportant" such as marketing, advertising, and sales, should have to pay LOTS of taxes.

If what you do in your everyday job contributes to society in a great enough amount you should have to pay little to no taxes.

like these fucking entertainers making millions a year should have to pay a butt-load of taxes. Simply because the "service" they offer is not NEEDED in our society.


Get my drift?
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
It's not really right that someone would have to work for 3 days to be able to afford 5 minutes with a doctor. (your math was off TBT, 15 hours times 8 per hour is exactly 120, but when we take into account that the federal government wants a good 1/4 of that money, it really only adds up to 90 dollars, making the person who gets paid OVER minimum wage have to choose, do I take 3 days income and buy food and pay bills, or do I blow it on 5 minutes with a doctor who is going to write a prescription that costs $300, which means that the person will now have to work for an additional 2 1/2 half weeks to afford the prescription. While all this doctor paying and prescription filling is going on, how are they paying rent, utilities, food, gas for their vehicle, car insurance, etc?

Meanwhile the CEO of this barely over minimum wage paying job is pulling in a few million per year, yet they don't understand why the employees have such shitty attitudes. Could it be that the everyday employee is stressed beyond reason by trying to make ends meet?
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
who pays cash for DR's? i asked my DR if i could pay cash for a 500 dollar procedure that my insurance does not cover. he just raised one eyebrow. said "i guess you can pay cash".
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
People who don't have health insurance pay cash. There's a whole hell of a lot of them around here. There are 2 major hospitals they have health care monopolized, if someone is broke they can go there, but if they can't pay right away they get "limited" services. Meaning that unless they are on the verge of death the hospital sends them packing.

I know more people who DON'T have health insurance than DO.

I've also noticed something else. My husband uses a CPAP at night and so does my sister in law. She needed a new mask but didn't have insurance, they sold her the mask for $80. We have insurance that pays 80%, I went to buy my husband a new mask and the cost was $400, making my percent $60. How can the same mask be $80 if you don't have insurance and $400 if you do? When I asked, they didn't have an answer.
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
People who don't have health insurance pay cash. There's a whole hell of a lot of them around here. There are 2 major hospitals they have health care monopolized, if someone is broke they can go there, but if they can't pay right away they get "limited" services. Meaning that unless they are on the verge of death the hospital sends them packing.

I know more people who DON'T have health insurance than DO.

I've also noticed something else. My husband uses a CPAP at night and so does my sister in law. She needed a new mask but didn't have insurance, they sold her the mask for $80. We have insurance that pays 80%, I went to buy my husband a new mask and the cost was $400, making my percent $60. How can the same mask be $80 if you don't have insurance and $400 if you do? When I asked, they didn't have an answer.



i must live in a good place. :neutral:
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
Feel lucky. Illinois is about the most hard assed state about everything, except white collar crime. How can the politicians punish white collar crime when that's how they make their living?
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
Feel lucky. Illinois is about the most hard assed state about everything, except white collar crime. How can the politicians punish white collar crime when that's how they make their living?
back when i was irresponsible, ........ i'd go to the ER. they'd fix me right up and give me after care. they'd send a bill and i'd just never pay it. took seven years to clear my credit but i got free medical. lol

actually the state covers most of it. california loves it's welfare/medical.


did i just hear on the news that californians are getting IOU's on their tax refunds this year? :shock:
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
What a crock of shit. Isn't CA one of the "smart" states that doesn't flush money down the toilet by chasing after marijuana users?

Lucky for them, I'd be bitching about, "just take it out of the state marijuana task force budget"
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
What a crock of shit. Isn't CA one of the "smart" states that doesn't flush money down the toilet by chasing after marijuana users?

Lucky for them, I'd be bitching about, "just take it out of the state marijuana task force budget"

we're like 32 BILLLION in the red. :shock: :shock:

the marijuana farmers offered up 3 BILLION 2 years ago. it fell on deaf ears.
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
Cripes, that's almost as much cash as what Madoff stole !!! What is your governator doing? At least my governer was still trying to make money by auctioning off that senate seat. *chortle*

I think I'd be thinking about adjusting my withholding. No reason to pay in if they won't send the overpayment back.
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
Cripes, that's almost as much cash as what Madoff stole !!! What is your governator doing? At least my governer was still trying to make money by auctioning off that senate seat. *chortle*

I think I'd be thinking about adjusting my withholding. No reason to pay in if they won't send the overpayment back.
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