g/Watt by Lamp?

hybridway2

hybridway2

Amare Shill
PSUAGRO. said:
Amare started the "white light revolution"?........ That's news to me, I thought petflora and hyroot were like the first test growers on amare prototypes using epileds/epistar lol, crees coming soon after; never saw them myself.

You realize supra was using cxa cobs, positivity using cree xml , sds with oslon w/r , GG using apache nichia w/r, chroni with cree xpe white, mr flux with first gen citi, EH ' s A51 all white and R/w combos used by endo, dawg, endive, beef, puff, CM, bad karma. Jubiare cree white/red sup, guod mostly white with blue blux, red osram (believed in chloro peaks and rolled to heliospectra), bicit cxa cobs, testicles cxa cobs, first gen vero ever seen was in this forum picograf all white cob (2013), mechmike vero 18, someguy vero 18.......this is all before amare became a company. They certainly didn't start anything that wasn't seen in here.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/bridgelux-vero-29-led-test.702193/

This was a special place in 2011 and beyond....
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I'm not saying you're wrong. Notice the only comp. You listed was A-51? And they weren't using cobs.
The rest r DIY'rs. Some pioneers.
Yes, they were the first comp to state White Light Revolution on their site.
whytewidow said:
Hahahahahha 1700 dollars for a light. You're outta your fukn mind. For 1700 bucks I can build 3 fixtures thatll out flower that. Lmfao. Omfg I almost pissed myself laughing so hard. You go right ahead and buy your 1700 dollar light. While i spend 600 and control it from my couch. Lmfao
That out yields that's aluminum money pit. Hahahahaha gtfoh.
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1267 for the Flagship light SB_8 with RIU discount. Why, you seeing any other companies competing with that? 1.44 a watt for a build like that? Doubt it man. It costs more to ship then your prob willing to spend on ur DIY guy.
All I'm saying is before you go knocking one of LEDs most honest & accredited companies to a guy that just bought one with his hard earned money, why dont you consider the facts? And not to mention the member.
If you think DIY is a better option then tell the guy why but do it w/o attempting to shit on a company that paved the way for so many others. All the while costing less for more then any other premium companies fixtures available. At least make sense man & stick to the facts.
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

Amare Shill
captainmorgan said:
HLG quantum boards.

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Nice but what's ur point?
See, I wouldnt want that pheno personally. If I showed that bud as nice as it is & bomb smoke n said it was under an Amare 4 yrs ago silly fuckers woukd literally say its fluffy n foxtailly from my crummy Amare. I'm not saying it is. Each strain & pheno is its own special self .
See if you had a high K-temp & the right color combo ur prob have a more Terps & colors. But youd only know that by the side by side so yeah. It looks awesome.

PSUAGRO. said:
my memory is bad:)................you did use A51, right? pretty sure that amare didn't start a white LED revolution



I ran an Osram blurple zelion fixture around that time......growers weren't happy, my best results ever(2gpw)with no trickery either
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A-51 actually said "Welcome to the White Light Revolution"?
Did they use top-bin cree cobs when everyone here said the c word every other word & drempt about them?

Theres just no need to knock them when they have no unhappy customers. Why would you, the non customer pretend to know anything about them except the facts that r clear as day?

Anyone else?
 
Airwalker16

Airwalker16

Well-Known Member
hybridway2 said:
Here's just a few quick examples that popped up of Amare grows start to finish.
That's w/o including the 1/2 dozen I have here on RIU myself. As "Hybridway" Each one having multiple grows start to finish.
I mention start to finish because it's common to see starts but not ends. Unfortunately, although RIU is a mighty good source for DIY & technological info. It is also a Haven for fan boys & wannabee just about anythings'. At the time of the "White Light Revolution Movement" (Originated by Amare Tech) the only lights recommended by most led advisors here were PLC & maybe a few other sponsors like Johnson. With NO regards to the truth or facts & nobody actually owning or using the lights they were so strongly pushing onto LED newcomers. I mean to recommend something with such authority w/o ever even laying hands on it before.... It was a shitshow to say the least. With contradictions to their arguments wkly.
Some of the so called smartest dumb asses here would try n try again to put down Amare. Everything they were dissing Amare for is what most smart companies are striving for today. Made no sense at all.
And watch how many 3-35k basic white light companies are now converting to a much higher K temp w/ added 660 n 730. Well, after seeing so many successful Amare grows in their sleep at night they finally woke up n said, money is not the most important thing in life. And are now putting in a lil effort to make true canna-specific Fixtures.
With all the DIY'rs making simple white lights that outperform the Mkts @ less then half the cost, I doubt they really had a choice but to start trying. One can only supplement their income with DIY parts & videos how to replicate your overpriced warehouse lights for so long before it's time to get serious.
Now they're all in the guessing game or copy cat stage.
Hopefully all this awakening will lead to more news developments in real horticultural lighting. competition, reduced pricing & some good companies that will be around to honor their warranties if need be.
So yeah, If you dont know now you know Growerrrrr!!!!


https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/wile-e-peyote-mis-adventures-with-amare-led-ss-150x2-se250-autopots-and-bubble-buckets.51370/

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/amare-solar-eclipse-250-test-runs.55326/

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/silly-pharm.1349323/page-120?hl=amare

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/do-nothing-garden.1360609/page-23#entry21487022

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/peps-solar-eclipse-450-lights-up-some-gorilla-glue.54122

https://www.rollitup.org/t/big-smo-amare-tech-se-450-and-mephisto-genetics.918402/page-16#post-13058961

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/weed-dudes-amare-hi-led-adventure-revolution-to-revelation.1378350/page-12#post-22712824

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/amare-pro-9-se450uvb.1405096/page-11#post-22711570

https://forum.grasscity.com/organic-grow-journals/1334958-jays-solar-eclipse-journeys-organic-adventures.html/page-187#entry22342887

https://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-medical-marijuana-growing/1392808-sillys-organic-soil-sips-solar-specs.html/page-8?hl=amare#entry22335597

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/wile-e-peyotes-continuous-multi-strain-drip-and-coco-spectacular.41775/page-95

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/loops-led-living-loud-lounge.48274/page-28

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/a-builders-edge-in-grow-room-construction-dream-room.51676/page-15#post-1076835

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/skywalker-og-amare-tech-se450-led-1000w.1410560/page-2#post-22711451

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/huntaks-organic-flower-tent.1363407/?hl=huntak

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/pharmers-sustained-organic-living-adventure-w-hileds.1348187/?hl=amare+technologies#entry21078819

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/my-journeys-on-the-led-hi-way-feat-amare-tech.48719/page-6

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/jdos-sea-of-weeden.1364413/page-15?hl=jdo's#entry21739048
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That right there is some SOURCING.
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

Well-Known Member
PSUAGRO. said:
my memory is bad:)................you did use A51, right? pretty sure that amare didn't start a white LED revolution



I ran an Osram blurple zelion fixture around that time......growers weren't happy, my best results ever(2gpw)with no trickery either
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I'm on your side lol.
 
PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

Well-Known Member
"Special" place is a very broad term and can evolve over time.

Yes, we lost some great members due to the bullshit trolling, but we gained a few too...

Always recommend the ignore button, can't stress that enough.

God, I hated that osram blurple output.....gave me fucking headaches
 
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captainmorgan

captainmorgan

Well-Known Member
PSUAGRO. said:
"Special" place is a very broad term and can evolve over time.

Yes, we lost some great members due to the bullshit trolling, but we gained a few too...

Always recommend the ignore button, can't stress that enough.

God, I hated that osram blurple output.....gave me fucking headaches
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In the past you had to wade through a flood of info and experiences that was shared freely and occasionally put up with a troll or idiot. Now you have to wade through a flood of shit by trolls and idiots to find a occasional useful bit of info. I was invited into a private forum a couple years ago that is a lot like it used to be here but they don't put up with any bad behavior and offenders are only warned once then shown the door. There are great discussions from different points of view without the bullshit and the people try to help each other.
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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whytewidow said:
Hahahahahha 1700 dollars for a light. You're outta your fukn mind. For 1700 bucks I can build 3 fixtures thatll out flower that. Lmfao. Omfg I almost pissed myself laughing so hard. You go right ahead and buy your 1700 dollar light. While i spend 600 and control it from my couch. Lmfao
That out yields that's aluminum money pit. Hahahahaha gtfoh.
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What? Are you fuckin 12teen years old?
Who gives a fuck what you can build for $1700?
Nobody. Not one of us.
Good for you that you have the fine motor skills and knowledge to build lights for cheap. Lets have a parade for you and lets us kiss your ass.
Or fuck off.

Some of us dont have the skills or the knowledge... and dont want it. Or all the fn tools you got to buy to build the light, which adds to the cost. We just want to buy a good light for whatever $s, because we have skills that allow us to earn the kind of money to pay somebody else to fuck with all that shit.

So go flaunt your light building skills somewhere where somebody gives a shit. But if youre gonna stick around here then dont be a juvenile, belittling cunt.
 
Airwalker16

Airwalker16

Well-Known Member
Gquebed said:
What? Are you fuckin 12teen years old?
Who gives a fuck what you can build for $1700?
Nobody. Not one of us.
Good for you that you have the fine motor skills and knowledge to build lights for cheap. Lets have a parade for you and lets us kiss your ass.
Or fuck off.

Some of us dont have the skills or the knowledge... and dont want it. Or all the fn tools you got to buy to build the light, which adds to the cost. We just want to buy a good light for whatever $s, because we have skills that allow us to earn the kind of money to pay somebody else to fuck with all that shit.

So go flaunt your light building skills somewhere where somebody gives a shit. But if youre gonna stick around here then dont be a juvenile, belittling cunt.
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Not too hate, but quantum board DIY builds today, basically take no more than a screwdriver and wagos for wire connections to build. At the $1700 level, he's right. You could get 3, maybe even 4, 4X4 flower covering fixtures sent to you from China for that much. Shipped. It'd take you a few hours to build them all.

Even more so with things like CHILLED Drive from @Growmau5 and ChilledTech, it's literally impossible to wire it wrong.
 
whytewidow

whytewidow

Well-Known Member
Gquebed said:
What? Are you fuckin 12teen years old?
Who gives a fuck what you can build for $1700?
Nobody. Not one of us.
Good for you that you have the fine motor skills and knowledge to build lights for cheap. Lets have a parade for you and lets us kiss your ass.
Or fuck off.

Some of us dont have the skills or the knowledge... and dont want it. Or all the fn tools you got to buy to build the light, which adds to the cost. We just want to buy a good light for whatever $s, because we have skills that allow us to earn the kind of money to pay somebody else to fuck with all that shit.

So go flaunt your light building skills somewhere where somebody gives a shit. But if youre gonna stick around here then dont be a juvenile, belittling cunt.
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Eat a dick fuck boi...... talk about juvenile. You stupid fuck.
 
whytewidow

whytewidow

Well-Known Member
Gquebed said:
What? Are you fuckin 12teen years old?
Who gives a fuck what you can build for $1700?
Nobody. Not one of us.
Good for you that you have the fine motor skills and knowledge to build lights for cheap. Lets have a parade for you and lets us kiss your ass.
Or fuck off.

Some of us dont have the skills or the knowledge... and dont want it. Or all the fn tools you got to buy to build the light, which adds to the cost. We just want to buy a good light for whatever $s, because we have skills that allow us to earn the kind of money to pay somebody else to fuck with all that shit.

So go flaunt your light building skills somewhere where somebody gives a shit. But if youre gonna stick around here then dont be a juvenile, belittling cunt.
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So not only are you a child. You're ignorant too. Bc a monkey could build a light.
 
whytewidow

whytewidow

Well-Known Member
Airwalker16 said:
Not too hate, but quantum board DIY builds today, basically take no more than a screwdriver and wagos for wire connections to build. At the $1700 level, he's right. You could get 3, maybe even 4, 4X4 flower covering fixtures sent to you from China for that much. Shipped. It'd take you a few hours to build them all.

Even more so with things like CHILLED Drive from @Growmau5 and ChilledTech, it's literally impossible to wire it wrong.
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Lmfao call me 12teen. Then continue to post the dumb shit he posted. I love when kids that live in their mommy's basement post on here.
 
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Freedom Club

Freedom Club

Active Member
unfortunately I can not follow the technical details of your discussion but maybe... bongsmilie

hybridway gave the kind of reply I was looking for and it was very helpful to me. Thank you

I have found the same kind of heated discussions going on whenever I talk about ViparSpectra 600w lights and the truth I have empirically witnessed is I can yield about 100-200g with this light on 1m² which is very impressing considering the powersupply of about 250watts and the price of 169$ I paid for it. So yes, there sure are much more efficient lights with much better spectrum and better technology but it is a very good light for a beginner and it will yield you its own cost +quite a bit on the first run. The amare I hope can give me 20-100g more per m² with the same power consumption. That is my aim for now. Maybe someday I will get into the DIY.. but maybe not. Do you build your own mobilephones? fridges? cars? and if not, why not? .. I am just not that kind of guy.

oh yeah and I checked out these DIY videos on youtube, even growmau5 but its just.. maybe im too stupid or too stoned but I dont know.. its just not my thing

Anyway. Thank you

:peace:
 
Freedom Club

Freedom Club

Active Member
hybridway my friend, are you here?

I have just found out about CMH315w, more precise the lamp is called Lumatek Aurora 315w. It has been recommended by a friend who is pretty successful with it.

Do you think it can compete with Amare SE300 in Light Quality or is it not as good? I am on the point of deciding what to do next.. build my own with CREE COB/Leds or buy another amare.. or maybe this CMH?

If you dont mind maybe you can check out if the technical details are any good:
  • CCT (K): 3100K (Agro) oder 4200K (daylight)
  • Lumen (lm): 32500 (3100K); 33000 (4200 K)
  • Lichtausbeute (lm / W): 104 (3100 K); 105 (4200 K)
  • PAR (Mikromol / sec): 575 (3100K); 540 (4200 K)
  • Light: T38
the lumen/watt seem to be the same as with the amare lights, no?
But the CMH would only cost half price .. hmm.

If you dont have time, never mind, thank you anyway
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

Amare Shill
Freedom Club said:
hybridway my friend, are you here?

I have just found out about CMH315w, more precise the lamp is called Lumatek Aurora 315w. It has been recommended by a friend who is pretty successful with it.

Do you think it can compete with Amare SE300 in Light Quality or is it not as good? I am on the point of deciding what to do next.. build my own with CREE COB/Leds or buy another amare.. or maybe this CMH?

If you dont mind maybe you can check out if the technical details are any good:
  • CCT (K): 3100K (Agro) oder 4200K (daylight)
  • Lumen (lm): 32500 (3100K); 33000 (4200 K)
  • Lichtausbeute (lm / W): 104 (3100 K); 105 (4200 K)
  • PAR (Mikromol / sec): 575 (3100K); 540 (4200 K)
  • Light: T38
the lumen/watt seem to be the same as with the amare lights, no?
But the CMH would only cost half price .. hmm.

If you dont have time, never mind, thank you anyway
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Hey bro!
The 315 CMH is an awesome bulb light.
The Cri's are similar, both being 90+. Cri is the light quality. CMH & Amares are both over 90.
Both do a fine job at replicating the sun with the CMH being a tiny bit more sunlike. The Amares are are not only full spectrum moreso then white leds but they also have 630 & 660nm red peaks, added IR, higher blues & 470nm to fill in where white LEDs lack. So they are more medically tuned for our plants. The new Amare SolarBar series is 2.7 umol/j whereas the CMH is around 1.7. So if you got one of them then youd be getting a buttload more photons per watt used as well as the best coverage available. Around 30% more light per watt of medically enhanced spectrum then CMH.
The Bar series are available in sets of 2 up to a Bar-8 (which is what I'm using now) 20190216_144244.jpg Not sure if it fits your spot @ almost 4' long though? These are $1.44 a watt with metion of your RIU membership. As is the SE-300.
Now to answer your question about a SE-300 vs. a CMH. Same things as above pertain to the spectral difference. Cmh having the best bulb spectrum around & Amare having the best led spectrum around. The SE-300 is around 53% efficiency or 2.1 umol/j up from 1.9 in previous yrs. I'd have to check to give exact #'s on those but I'm close.
Slightly more efficient then CMH.
They are comparable as far as results in the garden go I'd say. Different growth characteristics may show between the 2.
The SE-300 has the reflector/lens options which would give you more control as well as mono & cob switches. The 5 yr warranty is huge too.
CMH needs a bulb change once a yr @ like 100 a bulb I think.
Deff pic one of those over plain White led though IMO.
If you have a 4'x2.5' or bigger then I'd only be considering the SolarBar series.
What lights do you use now & what sorta space are you looking at?
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

Well-Known Member
Freedom Club said:
hybridway my friend, are you here?

I have just found out about CMH315w, more precise the lamp is called Lumatek Aurora 315w. It has been recommended by a friend who is pretty successful with it.

Do you think it can compete with Amare SE300 in Light Quality or is it not as good? I am on the point of deciding what to do next.. build my own with CREE COB/Leds or buy another amare.. or maybe this CMH?

If you dont mind maybe you can check out if the technical details are any good:
  • CCT (K): 3100K (Agro) oder 4200K (daylight)
  • Lumen (lm): 32500 (3100K); 33000 (4200 K)
  • Lichtausbeute (lm / W): 104 (3100 K); 105 (4200 K)
  • PAR (Mikromol / sec): 575 (3100K); 540 (4200 K)
  • Light: T38
the lumen/watt seem to be the same as with the amare lights, no?
But the CMH would only cost half price .. hmm.

If you dont have time, never mind, thank you anyway
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If you want to build then i would suggest QB boards... better spread on the LEDs. This would be a good way to go if you may have concerns about keeping your space from getting too hot.

If you don't want to build there are lots of good options too. CMH is great but you will have to deal with heat moreso than with LED.

For my money, i would go with QBs. All the help you need is here... these guys know their shit. My second choice would be CMH.
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

Amare Shill
OneHitDone said:
Mmmmm 1000W Hortilux Blue MeTal HaLide...

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Yes, of course, total Brain Fart there.
The Hortrilux DaylightBlue MH is the King Of MH. It has the bestest MH spectrum around. Seasoned Growers like OneHitDone Use it Full cycle because it increases quality & bag appeal in flower.
All 3 mentioned lighting sources give you that bang bag appeal.
Loving those Hood reflectors bro. Nice work!
 
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