Further Proof the Tea Party is anti American

dukeanthony said:

Wishing for the worst to happen to the USA is An American Value?

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dukeanthony said:

Yeah I can start by saying
Advocating for harm to come to the United States just becuase you dont get your way in a Democracy
Then yes you are Anti American

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I don't see it as being anti-american so much as being anti-american government. Our government has become worse than the very institution we fled, and has established the very policies we rebelled against.
I love this country, very disappointed in it and us, but I love it none the same. It's the direction our government has evolved that I hate. I wish nothing bad for this country, however I wish every bad thing on earth for those elected leaders who have betrayed the public trust. And we the people have to bear some of that responsibility, because we let it happen. We have become apathetic. The time to protest is not after the fact, but when they (Gov't) try to start getting out of hand. They have made anti government sentiment tantamount to treason.
This financial "house of cards" cannot continue without falling sooner or later. What would happen should China call our notes due? I believe we should let it fall, and get back to a level playing field. This whole thing started when we started to enter the global economy. We can't support our own economy, how the hell can we afford to support others?? Look at what is happening in the European theatre since they switched to the euro.

dukeanthony said:

You havent been paying attention. We are getting new jobs. If we werent Unemployment would be in the double digits
And I never said the Soviet Union was a good thing. I asked
What successful country doesnt have taxes

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We seemed to manage quite nicely without an income tax until just after WW1. The support of the war effort largely spurred the income tax. Do we REALLY need to have a war machine as large as we have? Do we REALLY want to be the moral police force of the world? Self defence, ABSOLUTELY!! Make war on other nations who's values are not ours?? NO!!! The income tax was seen after WW2 as a cash cow, and it has developed into a cash HERD for the enlargement of government.

*BUDS said:

Why cant someone start a coffee party? Has there ever been one? mmmmmm something to think about.

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How about a Pot Party?? Or better still, an "Let's get back our personal freedoms" party? Those of you who think we have all the personal freedoms in the world are sadly mistaken. The world you grow old in is NOT the same world I grew up in. You may be willing to sacrifice personal freedom for the police to be able to more effectively do their job, but I am not willing to sacrifice even one liberty so that the government can be even more heavy handed.

SCARHOLE said:

Should small businesses owners even be allowed to voice opinions differing from the lefts view?

What really keeps small businesses from growing an contributing more to the economy is excessive taxes an regulations.
(the same forces that caused the soviet union to collapse)

But scocialists care more about dividing the pie stead of how to make our economic pie grow.

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Except that's not true at all in our present economic situation. Studies have been done over and over and they all say DEMAND is the problem in our economy - not regulations or taxation.

dukeanthony said:

Wishing for the worst to happen to the USA is An American Value?

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trying to make a change for a better world? he does´nt want the worst for usa, he thinks the current situation is so shitty, such drastic measures are needed.
he´s saying, fuck this shit, i aint gonna take no part in it.

he´s doing a bloodless revolution (step up from the founding fathers actually)

whats the difference between this and protests?

he himself said there is a war going on against small business owners, he´s not the only one, right?
whats wrong with him fighting back?

he should just lie down and take it? with a smile and waving the flag?

what´s wrong with you?

unamerican lol..

mame said:

Except that's not true at all in our present economic situation. Studies have been done over and over and they all say DEMAND is the problem in our economy - not regulations or taxation.

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imagine if we just stopped this moneyshit and just did what we fucking wanted

just set up a system with robots to make food and housing and then just did whatever the fuck we wanted lol.

"we´re fucked! we´re fucked, our paper is worthless!" lol, fucking comon..

mame said:

Except that's not true at all in our present economic situation. Studies have been done over and over and they all say DEMAND is the problem in our economy - not regulations or taxation.

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Demand for gods an svc's is great for the economy.
One of The reasons were in trouble now is there is less demand for goods an Svcs an the business arent hiring or laying folks off.

The reason I haven't started a business is the red tape regulations an heavy taxes they pay.
Not because there is to much demand for my labor.

SCARHOLE said:

Demand for gods an svc's is great for the economy.
One of The reasons were in trouble now is there is less demand for goods an Svcs an the business arent hiring or laying folks off.

The reason I haven't started a business is the red tape regulations an heavy taxes they pay.
Not because there is to much demand for my labor.

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If there is demand for your labor, than honestly you're just an idiot for not taking advantage of that demand regardless of regulation and taxes.

I'll repeat, the EVIDENCE suggests that taxes and regulation have very little IF ANYTHING to do with the depressed economy and that the blame rests on weak aggregate demand as the constraining factor in the US economy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Duke, apparently you don't understand how unemployment works with government. Even if no new jobs were created, no one else was ever fired or hired, unemployment still could go to 0%. The unemployment statistic is utter bullshit. It doesn't matter if a single individual can't find a job for any reason, the only thing that matters is if a period of 12 months has lapsed, then the person is considered discouraged and magically employed. The real unemployment rate is over 22%. That's double digits. Do we need triple digits before you start thinking there's something to worry about?

mame said:

If there is demand for your labor, than honestly you're just an idiot for not taking advantage of that demand regardless of regulation and taxes.

I'll repeat, the EVIDENCE suggests that taxes and regulation have very little IF ANYTHING to do with the depressed economy and that the blame rests on weak aggregate demand as the constraining factor in the US economy. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Yeah im with you on this, it applies to any buisness demand for what ever it is your selling/servicing means more employees to sell/service it.

for example i open a shop and im working on cars and i can work 10 cars a day im fine as long as there is only 10 cars in a day but if my 10 cars goes to 50 cars well then i need help. And i hire more employees has nothing to do with taxes. taxes is just used so politicians can get votes.

Canna Sylvan said:

Duke, apparently you don't understand how unemployment works with government. Even if no new jobs were created, no one else was ever fired or hired, unemployment still could go to 0%. The unemployment statistic is utter bullshit. It doesn't matter if a single individual can't find a job for any reason, the only thing that matters is if a period of 12 months has lapsed, then the person is considered discouraged and magically employed. The real unemployment rate is over 22%. That's double digits. Do we need triple digits before you start thinking there's something to worry about?

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No, the "real" unemployment rate is not over 22%. If you have a problem with the way unemployment works then it's because you dont understand what it aims to indicate; The reason they dont count "discouraged" workers is because they're using the numbers to dictate monetary policy. For anyone to really get a good overall view of the unemployment situation one would look at both the unemployment statistic AND the employment to population ratio.

The unemployment statistics aren't there so politicians can lie to you, they are there so the Federal Reserve doesn't enact misguided policies - the politicians just take advantage of people not knowing what the numbers mean.

The seasonally-adjusted SGS Alternate Unemployment Rate reflects current unemployment reporting methodology adjusted for SGS-estimated long-term discouraged workers, who were defined out of official existence in 1994. That estimate is added to the BLS estimate of U-6 unemployment, which includes short-term discouraged workers.

The U-3 unemployment rate is the monthly headline number. The U-6 unemployment rate is the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ (BLS) broadest unemployment measure, including short-term discouraged and other marginally-attached workers as well as those forced to work part-time because they cannot find full-time employment.

And which one is used by the Federal Reserve? That'd be the official number.

just tax china and end the free trade bullshit
life will be better

Yeah Yeah
The Unemployment Number is Bullshit

Yet it uses the same Methology as was used before the Recession

dukeanthony said:

Yeah Yeah
The Unemployment Number is Bullshit

Yet it uses the same Methology as was used before the Recession

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Exactly, that may be the first post you've ever made on here that was based on common sense and was actually true, sarcasm aside.

Of course before the "Recession" as you put it, there were'nt millions of people dropping off because of long term unemployment, there were some, lazy scumbags who didn't want to work, but the "hidden" number of unemployed is enormous at this time. Definitely in the 17-22% range if you count all the able bodied, of age unemployed.

That's why Obama is going down in flames, and none too soon.

Further proof why uncleduke buckanthony is clueless. You copy and paste, don't understand the premiss and expect people to believe you. Why believe you? You've been wrong alot more often than you are right and all you do is scratch the surface.

From the article:
including excessive regulations ( the average business must now spend about $11,700 per year per employee to comply with government regulations! ), and by borrowing and wasting more money than has been spent in the entire previous existence of our republic, that they will "create jobs", when in fact all they have "created" have been government jobs that consume wealth, and don't "create" it.

read that part again. Now why do you suppose the article was written? why hire if you cannot afford it.

Parker said:

Further proof why uncleduke buckanthony is clueless. You copy and paste, don't understand the premiss and expect people to believe you. Why believe you? You've been wrong alot more often than you are right and all you do is scratch the surface.

From the article:
including excessive regulations ( the average business must now spend about $11,700 per year per employee to comply with government regulations! ), and by borrowing and wasting more money than has been spent in the entire previous existence of our republic, that they will "create jobs", when in fact all they have "created" have been government jobs that consume wealth, and don't "create" it.

read that part again. Now why do you suppose the article was written? why hire if you cannot afford it.

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What did the average business spend before the Recession?

dukeanthony said:

What did the average business spend before the Recession?

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Are you that ignorant? Without regulations, in the long run, efficiency goes up and costs go down. Only a fool like yourself cannot see when government gets involved costs go up.
Government gets involved with "free money loans" for colleges, prices skyrocket. Government gets involved with medicine, prices skyrocket. Government gets involved with housing prices skyrocket.
I don't know which of your personalities is dumber, uncle duke.

They have no Stupid Regulations in Somalia.
Low taxes also

Why dont you move there Parker?

Parker said:

I don't know which of your personalities is dumber, uncle duke.

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So simple, yet so amusing.

Parker said:

Government gets involved with medicine, prices skyrocket.

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This is absolutely incorrect. Euro countries like France, for example, pay HALF the cost per person than we do in the U.S. and that's with a government run single payer system...

Without regulations, in the long run, efficiency goes up and costs go down. Only a fool like yourself cannot see when government gets involved costs go up.

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Only a fool like yourself believes that we dont need any regulations in our society. Also, your statement is not always true; For example, many regulations are designed to actually increase competition and therefore long run efficiency.