Fucking clones keep dieing! Need urgent help.

ru4r34l

ru4r34l

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max316420 said:
Sure why not it's hot as fuck outside anyways lol

So here is what you will need
-promix
-brand new single edged razors
-sissors
-plastic see thru cups with holes in the bottom
-some kind of rooting solution
-rooting powder
-cup with plain water in it
-black sharpie per marker
-spray bottle

1. Lay out everything your gonna need so it's right in front of you with easy access
2. Get the plant you wanna clone ready by feeding a decent about of food before hand
3. Fill plastic cups with promix, leave about an inch at the top of the cup free
4. Now firmly pack down promix (but not to the point of crushing the cup)
5. Take sharpie marker and push it down in the middle of the soil until it goes 1 1/2-2 inches deep turning it as you push down and pull back out to keep your whole from filling back up with dirt
6. Now cut the branch of the part of the plant you wanna clone so that the cutting is 4-6 inches long
7. Next clip all bottom leaves and branches off so the bottom 3-4 inches is just stem
8. Lay your cutting on something flat and make a CLEAN cut. Cut about a 1/10 of an inch off just so you have a clean cut stem that isn't crushed
9. Now gently use your razor to lightly cut the very outter skin off the bottom inch of the stem. ( like you were cleaning a carrot)
10. Dip the stem in your water and then dip it into rooting powder so theres a pretty decent amount of powder on there.
11. Now put the stem into the hole in the promix and when you feel the stem hit the bottom of the hole push stem down just a tad more (for support)
12. Tap the sides of the cup so that the soil fills in the rest of the hole
13. Pack down promix (especially around stem), pack it down pretty firmly but not to the point of crushing the cup
14. Take your Cloning solution thats added to your water in your spray bottle and water gently until water is dripping out the bottom of the cup.
15. Put under florescent light and leave them be, check everyday and remember not to overwater.

DON'T REWATER UNTIL THE SOIL HAS ALMOST DRIED UP

You can cut the tips off the leaves if you choose too, I have tried it both ways and both ways work. I think cutting the ends off helps the cutting transpire water better.

I have a new strain of green house ww and this plant is amazing Roots in 4 days flat.

If I misspelled anything or shit sounds fucked up, it's cause I just smoked one and im really high trying to type this
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+rep for you, thanks for laying it down in simple terms. My next cloning session will try your method out.

Sorry to the OP, but this may also help you out. Let us know how your clones are doing and what method you have switched to.


regards,
 
323cheezy

323cheezy

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Why feal sorry ...
Anyone who has more than 99 plants is shady to me...
If u were smart you could just buy a few clones ... and veg them out a month ....
And literally you could have 100's of cuts.... for lesss than 50 bucks....

Doesnt matter where u are or if u have a med card ....more than 99 plants is 5years in the pin.....
 
slump

slump

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323cheezy said:
Why feal sorry ...
Anyone who has more than 99 plants is shady to me...
If u were smart you could just buy a few clones ... and veg them out a month ....
And literally you could have 100's of cuts.... for lesss than 50 bucks....

Doesnt matter where u are or if u have a med card ....more than 99 plants is 5years in the pin.....
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Actually, it does matter where you are. He could be a collective...or a caregiver of many patients.
 
323cheezy

323cheezy

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true ...
however ... theyre are limits to how many patients u can grow for ....
And the new ordinance has changed things a tad...
Still the collective is required to have different members contribute to growing the meds...
And still than ....99 is more than enufff...

Just saying man .... it took along time to become legal ...and people growing more than 99 are not usually following the rules.....
And are not helping the cause.... the same stigma will be attached to small caregivers ... when people do this....
keeep your day job..lol

In oakland i think u can have a large number of plants...like 80 or something...just not outdoors...
But in la we sill have the 12/6 ....per patient
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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tibberous said:
They are in Fox Farms Grow Big for hydro, could that be the problem? Is there some trick to getting the moisture right with the Grodan Cubes? Should the cubes be above or touching the water line?
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Entirely depends on the amount of bubble action. The water is raised or lowered until the splashing caused by the bubbles moisten the cube to the desired saturation level. Too wet is not a good thing, from my experience when they get waterlogged i end up with black and yellow dead leaves.

Are you using humidity domes?
 
jdro

jdro

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For me, I found the best success for my clones is a few things. #1 PLAIN WATER in my cloner. #2 Cool temps! #3 No direct sunlight on clones! Its pretty damn easy. I havnt used rockwool only clones machines, which is just basiclly a water pump and misters spraying the bottom of the cuttings constantly. I have 100% success in very short time. By 10 days all clones have roots. By 15 days whoops roots are HUGE!!. No rooting solution, JUST PLAIN WATER! Check em out... I bought this cloner on ebay for 30 bucks. The plants in pots are 1 week out of the cloner into dirt.

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slump

slump

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323cheezy said:
true ...
however ... theyre are limits to how many patients u can grow for ....
And the new ordinance has changed things a tad...
Still the collective is required to have different members contribute to growing the meds...
And still than ....99 is more than enufff...

Just saying man .... it took along time to become legal ...and people growing more than 99 are not usually following the rules.....
And are not helping the cause.... the same stigma will be attached to small caregivers ... when people do this....
keeep your day job..lol

In oakland i think u can have a large number of plants...like 80 or something...just not outdoors...
But in la we sill have the 12/6 ....per patient
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There's no limit on anything...read up on People v. Kelly, in January of 2010 the California Supreme Court abolished ALL possession and cultivation limits. AS LONG AS YOU CAN JUSTIFY THE AMOUNT YOU'RE GROWING/CARRYING! (still a bit ambiguous because it's the responsibility of the law enforcement person that you're dealing with to decide if you're justified)
Which ever law you're reading that the collective members have to contribute to the grow is bullshit...what if I am a caregiver for just 4 patients and all 4 of them can't even get out of bed?

Who are you to say that 99 plants is more than enough? Your 99 plants may produce 99 pounds while my 99 plants may not even produce a pound. This is the entire basis of the Supreme Court killing the limits on plants.

Weed is not legal anywhere in this country...but it will take a long time to become legal since even in the "legal" state, people can't seem to get their facts straight. Your prejudice against patients and caregivers growing more than 99 plants tells me what kind of growers you know. EVERY person I PERSONALLY know that has more than 99 plants is running a collective or co-op grow.

Oakland's last change on the plant numbers was in 2003, 72 plants per patient with a limit of 3 patients per household. 216 plants.

Fact of the matter is this: You have no idea what this guy has going on. NONE. You just saw some plant numbers and automatically assumed he was shady. Then you pull some numbers out of your ass about 5 years in the pen for more than 99 plants! Innocent until proven guilty brother.

And you're the one talking about not helping the cause...

Grow Safe
 
jdro

jdro

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slump said:
There's no limit on anything...read up on People v. Kelly, in January of 2010 the California Supreme Court abolished ALL possession and cultivation limits. AS LONG AS YOU CAN JUSTIFY THE AMOUNT YOU'RE GROWING/CARRYING! (still a bit ambiguous because it's the responsibility of the law enforcement person that you're dealing with to decide if you're justified)
Which ever law you're reading that the collective members have to contribute to the grow is bullshit...what if I am a caregiver for just 4 patients and all 4 of them can't even get out of bed?

Who are you to say that 99 plants is more than enough? Your 99 plants may produce 99 pounds while my 99 plants may not even produce a pound. This is the entire basis of the Supreme Court killing the limits on plants.

Weed is not legal anywhere in this country...but it will take a long time to become legal since even in the "legal" state, people can't seem to get their facts straight. Your prejudice against patients and caregivers growing more than 99 plants tells me what kind of growers you know. EVERY person I PERSONALLY know that has more than 99 plants is running a collective or co-op grow.

Oakland's last change on the plant numbers was in 2003, 72 plants per patient with a limit of 3 patients per household. 216 plants.

Fact of the matter is this: You have no idea what this guy has going on. NONE. You just saw some plant numbers and automatically assumed he was shady. Then you pull some numbers out of your ass about 5 years in the pen for more than 99 plants! Innocent until proven guilty brother.

And you're the one talking about not helping the cause...

Grow Safe
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amen brother.
 
Clown Baby

Clown Baby

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dude you should have learned to clone/grow on a couple of plants before you invest in a huge op and hundreds of plants.
no offense.

hope you get things worked out.
 
323cheezy

323cheezy

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slump said:
There's no limit on anything...read up on People v. Kelly, in January of 2010 the California Supreme Court abolished ALL possession and cultivation limits. AS LONG AS YOU CAN JUSTIFY THE AMOUNT YOU'RE GROWING/CARRYING! (still a bit ambiguous because it's the responsibility of the law enforcement person that you're dealing with to decide if you're justified)
Which ever law you're reading that the collective members have to contribute to the grow is bullshit...what if I am a caregiver for just 4 patients and all 4 of them can't even get out of bed?

Who are you to say that 99 plants is more than enough? Your 99 plants may produce 99 pounds while my 99 plants may not even produce a pound. This is the entire basis of the Supreme Court killing the limits on plants.

Weed is not legal anywhere in this country...but it will take a long time to become legal since even in the "legal" state, people can't seem to get their facts straight. Your prejudice against patients and caregivers growing more than 99 plants tells me what kind of growers you know. EVERY person I PERSONALLY know that has more than 99 plants is running a collective or co-op grow.

Oakland's last change on the plant numbers was in 2003, 72 plants per patient with a limit of 3 patients per household. 216 plants.

Fact of the matter is this: You have no idea what this guy has going on. NONE. You just saw some plant numbers and automatically assumed he was shady. Then you pull some numbers out of your ass about 5 years in the pen for more than 99 plants! Innocent until proven guilty brother.

And you're the one talking about not helping the cause...

Grow Safe
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lol...
Dude no need to get emotional..hhaha..
Your info may be a lil outdated.....

Prop 215 passed it didnt spell out how many plant u can grow....
Many district attorneys rellied on guide line handed down by governer jerry brown....when he was attorney general...in 2008....Which lmit individual to 6 mature 12 immature plants...
Some DA will consider cloness or seedling as "unviable plants"
Better to be safe than sorry ....the only assumption we make is that someone wouldd love to put you behind bars for nothing more than growing a plant...

The 6/12 rule goes as follows by by sb 420:
HS 11362.77(a) A qualified patient or primary caregiver may posses no more than 8 dry ounces per qualified patient.In addition a qualified patient or primary caregiver........
...... must have no more than 6 mature 12 immature plants...
Furthermore

In people vs Kelly (2010) thre californai suprememe court struck down the predetermined quantity limits , but as california NORML points out this doesnt mmean anything goes.....

The supreme court's recent Kelly decision has been widely misinterpreted to imply that the limits no longer apply, and tht patients can , therefore grow as much as they want...
In fact the decision lets the police play arrest whoever they wantwho exceeds the guidelines....
The only thing it disallows is for the guidelines to be used as a basis on conviction in criminal trails...

Now the good news is that some counties have higherlimits, assuming your doc says you need more medicine.....
Oakland allows a whopping 72 ....plants, but like i said they cant be outdoors..
All of these rules and regulations ... Caregivers and colectives have different rules in many areas as well...


What are u complaining about 99 plants isnt enuf???? pshhh with 99 plants i could take car of at least 40 patients...lol
Really 99 plant one pound...??lol...thats 5 grams a plant...haha

Ps i will post the rules regarding growing for collectives and the collectives rules...
Give me one minute.... to read over my notes...lol
 
slump

slump

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323cheezy said:
lol...
Dude no need to get emotional..hhaha..
Your info may be a lil outdated.....

Prop 215 passed it didnt spell out how many plant u can grow....
Many district attorneys rellied on guide line handed down by governer jerry brown....when he was attorney general...in 2008....Which lmit individual to 6 mature 12 immature plants...
Some DA will consider cloness or seedling as "unviable plants"
Better to be safe than sorry ....the only assumption we make is that someone wouldd love to put you behind bars for nothing more than growing a plant...

The 6/12 rule goes as follows by by sb 420:
HS 11362.77(a) A qualified patient or primary caregiver may posses no more than 8 dry ounces per qualified patient.In addition a qualified patient or primary caregiver........
...... must have no more than 6 mature 12 immature plants...
Furthermore

In people vs Kelly (2010) thre californai suprememe court struck down the predetermined quantity limits , but as california NORML points out this doesnt mmean anything goes.....

The supreme court's recent Kelly decision has been widely misinterpreted to imply that the limits no longer apply, and tht patients can , therefore grow as much as they want...
In fact the decision lets the police play arrest whoever they wantwho exceeds the guidelines....
The only thing it disallows is for the guidelines to be used as a basis on conviction in criminal trails...

Now the good news is that some counties have higherlimits, assuming your doc says you need more medicine.....
Oakland allows a whopping 72 ....plants, but like i said they cant be outdoors..
All of these rules and regulations ... Caregivers and colectives have different rules in many areas as well...


What are u complaining about 99 plants isnt enuf???? pshhh with 99 plants i could take car of at least 40 patients...lol
Really 99 plant one pound...??lol...thats 5 grams a plant...haha

Ps i will post the rules regarding growing for collectives and the collectives rules...
Give me one minute.... to read over my notes...lol
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/sigh

Did you even ready my post? Or is it a comprehension problem?
 
323cheezy

323cheezy

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Even if u follow the california law scrupoulously like most, recent decisions and annoncements by the federal departments... of justice means that serious growers will be undr more scrutiny....
Check online the 420times.com...

Under califonia law ......
A cooperative must file articles of incorporation with the state and conduct its bissiness for the mutual benefit of its members.

On the other hand the word coective is not defined in Cal. law!
But according to the memo:
A collective should be an organization that merely facilitataes the callobarative effortof patient and caregiver member
Including allocation of cost and revenues....
As such a colective is not a statutory entity, but as a practical matter it might have to organize as some form of bussiness to carry out its activities.. The colect should not purchase marijuana from , or sell to , nonmembers , instead it should provide means of cordinating transactions...

Furthermore

Collectives and cooperatives should acqire mj only from their members, because only mj grown by a qualified patient or his or her primary caregiver .... or distributed to other members of a colective...
The colective may then allocate it to other mems of the group..
Nothing allows mj to be outside the colective....

You should always consult an attorney before getting involved in mj , especially if youre growing commercial quantities..or for other people...

AS MOST PEOPLE KNOW BY NOW(NOT YOU YET...LOL)
GROWING MORE THAN 99 PLANTS AT ONCE SETS U UP FOR POSSIBLE FEDERAL PERSECUTION....
This will garuntee you at least 5years in federal prison ...
upon conviction due to minimum sentensing laws ....

SO THE LIMIT IS SAID TO BE 99PLANTS....
however, We learned that the high profile case of Dr. Moline Fry and Dale schaffer....
proves that to be a fantasy , as the prosecuters simply added up the plants from the past three years.. to make 109....
What not everyone realizes is that the gov makes the rules , so they can change them, however they want......
 
323cheezy

323cheezy

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slump said:
/sigh

Did you even ready my post? Or is it a comprehension problem?
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Read both my posts and your post again ...
Your living in a fantasy world if u think u can grow how much ever you want....
Regardless of how many people you care for....

Once again i cant stand misinformation....so dont spread it
Some of thes word are right out of the ordinance and are real...updated
I wish waht u said was true but its not....
 
323cheezy

323cheezy

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im waiting for your reply big dog....
its people like this selling lb's at low rate , growing hundreds of plants....
That are keeping me from putting out my meds ....at a resonabl price.....
collectives too...
They grow there own and dont buy from members....
Thats wrong....
The laws protect the small time growers who grow for their own needs... and a few others...
And seeks to go after those looking to make a profit....
This isnt my life or carrearr... its way to keep from going bankrupt on pricey meds....
I guess u have nothing else too say?????
 
P

projectmayham

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Hey man, I use mostly Supernatural Brand nutes and their rooting hormone, and i've always gotten great success. I also use thier new foliar spray with my cuttings and it just fucking kills it.. Here's a little youtube video on it. He explains it alright. But a visual might help you.

http://youtu.be/R_QO6r50WfU
 
max316420

max316420

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How did this turn into a legal discussion?? lol If he wants to risk it with that many plants, thats his business... NO GUTS NO GLORY
 
mak

mak

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since we are on the legal discussion can we clear up the 6mature or 12immature confusion
 
max316420

max316420

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Does what stage the plant is in matter? I know that where i'm from that they count every plant they bust you with as 2lbs no matter what size it is.. Fucked up ain't it...
 
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