Fox Farm Tigerbloom Vs. Big Bloom

bLITzkRIEg420 said:

USE NEITHER... Any liquid fert will kill all the microbeasties living in your soil on contact. It's all about the micro life in your soil. Use a good organic mix and add some Mayan Microzyme along with a carb. That is all... A healthy population of micro life in your soil makes all the nutes already in the soil available. Make your soil a "Living Ecosystem". You will be over dependant on nutes and pH the second you start adding anything with synthetic salts in them like FoxFarms nutes. This will only open the door to other problems like nuking them, pH or deficiences. Just because it says "organic" on the bottle does not mean that it is.

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I'm in total agreement with your post. The major obstacle many growers posting in this organic forum seem to hit is a lack of knowledge about what transpires in a properly prepared grow medium. They seem be mired in a mental state of the entire growing process being dependent on what's added to the grow medium after plants are underway, and the fancier the label, the more aggressive the marketing and the higher the price is the better the end product.

I no longer use anything offered unless its from a grower I personally know who also grows organic. I don't need that harsh chemical based shit grown in dead soil. Might as well use full on hydro that offers no illusion about being anything but chemicals.

oh im on a organic posting...lol...didnt realize i was .tiger bloom and grow big are NOT ORGANIC so your grow isnt....

bLITzkRIEg420 said:

I am all about flavor. Nothing matches the flavor of an ORGANIC GROW ~ 3 Day Dark Period ~ Proper Dry & Cure... I just think before you start adding things to your soil you should keep it simple unless you have the experience. If you want to use nutes try a NON-Soil grow. The fact of the matter is adding nutes to soil is counterproductive. You might as well be growing in perlite hempy style... Then at least you can flush it properly.

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Are you saying you don't use ANY liquid nutrients during an entire grow??

gangaman said:

Are you saying you don't use ANY liquid nutrients during an entire grow??

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I'm not bLITxkRIEg420, but the only liquid nutrients I've ever used in outdoor grows once they're in the ground is highly diluted molasses during flower. If done correctly everything should be in the soil.

bLITzkRIEg420 said:

That is what I'm saying... Only thing I use is Humboldt Myco Madness, Molasses and a few weeks into flwering a Bat Guano, Kelp Meal and mushroom compost Tea. My point was if you are adding liquid ferts you are defeating the purpose of "Organics". Once your micro beasties are wiped out (from FF liquid ferts for example) your plants will then need to draw the nutrients from the soil themselves. This takes energy away from the other things the plant should be using that same energy for like FLOWERING! With a healthy micro life population they are feeding your plants and the plant can use all that energy it saves that way towards other things. Micro beasties regulate your pH and you will not have a build up of synthetic salts in your soil from liquid ferts. Think of your micro life as thousands of little farmers in the soil working for you.

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I have the distinct impression that without aggressively marketed liquid fertilizers which deliver nutrients directly to plants while ruining soil with their chemical deposits many growers don't have or desire the knowledge to grow anything without them.

madodah said:

I have the distinct impression that without aggressively marketed liquid fertilizers which deliver nutrients directly to plants while ruining soil with their chemical deposits many growers don't have or desire the knowledge to grow anything without them.

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Are you just basically saying people are too lazy to figure out how to grow without pre-made nutes?

TheRuiner said:

Are you just basically saying people are too lazy to figure out how to grow without pre-made nutes?

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Lazy would be one definition.

madodah said:

Lazy would be one definition.

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So Madodah,I just started my grow "LAWoman" and my medium is fox farm ocean forest if I want to not go with the chemicals what is my best alternative and is it available at local nursery,or garden store.

zoso914 said:

So Madodah,I just started my grow "LAWoman" and my medium is fox farm ocean forest if I want to not go with the chemicals what is my best alternative and is it available at local nursery,or garden store.

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Growing organically is a personal lifestyle choice. If using chemicals that upset the balance of nature is acceptable to anyone, then that is the alternative. If not, simple research on the web provides instant answers. I personally mix my own grow mediums from commonly available components having enough nitrogen to carry an annual plant through its life cycle and supplement the natural development of a living soil with AACT teas for other nutrient requirements.

madodah said:

Growing organically is a personal lifestyle choice. If using chemicals that upset the balance of nature is acceptable to anyone, then that is the alternative. If not, simple research on the web provides instant answers. I personally mix my own grow mediums from commonly available components having enough nitrogen to carry an annual plant through its life cycle and supplement the natural development of a living soil with AACT teas for other nutrient requirements.

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If you would be so kind as to humor us, what "commonly available" components is it that you use to nutes? Also, what the hell does AACT stand for? Thank you...

TheRuiner said:

If you would be so kind as to humor us, what "commonly available" components is it that you use to nutes? Also, what the hell does AACT stand for? Thank you...

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I use a grow medium of 25% fortified potting soil (fir bark, forest humus, peat moss, perlite, chicken manure, worm castings, bat guano, kelp meal, alfalfa meal, oyster shell and dolomite lime), 25% perlite, 25% peat moss and 25% decomposed cow manure. That provides all the nutrients an annual flowering plant requires for its lifespan. To supplement the soil microbes which convert the nutrients into matter plants can absorb, I use AACT teas.

AACT teas (Actively Aerated Compost Tea) are a combination of various ingredients (many of which are in my potting soil) that produce new microbes to supplement and jump start what's already in the soil. They're called teas because they're normally brewed, for personal or small volume requirements, in a five gallon bucket using an air pump at ~70° for ~24 hours. Five gallons diluted will service an acre of agricultural requirements. There are a couple of threads on AACT teas in this forum.

TheRuiner said:

Are you just basically saying people are too lazy to figure out how to grow without pre-made nutes?

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pour whatever the hell you want on them bro... Good luck.

madodah said:

Just keep telling yourself that. With or without flushing (unnecessary in an organic grow) you'll never get the taste of organics when using chemicals. It doesn't sound like you have access to true organically grown cannabis for a comparison, so if you have normal taste buds I suggest the following; go to a farmers market offering organically grown ripe vegetables/fruit and purchase a favorite taste item. Make certain they have their certification posted as there are charlatans in any venture catering to the public, including cannabis. Then go to a supermarket and buy the same chemically grown item. Take a few bites of each. If you're like most people, that simple test could change your dietary and growing habits. Meats and poultry taste differences are equally pronounced, as is cannabis.

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+1 on this, which is why I decided to do organic on my grow, this is my first grow, but you dont have to be a grower to know the diff between organic and non organic taste.... in anything...

i dont think that the original poster had planned on all this talk. he just wanted to know how to use foxfarm and a little info on em. damn lol. i would hate to be as picky as some of you guys. dank bud is dank bud. foxfarm grown or organic or hydroponic or whatever. ya they all have their traits but they all taste great if done right.

Taken from FF's website

Big Bloom: [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Big Bloom™ is ideal for all flowering and fruiting plants, and it’s safe enough to use every time you water. You’ll enjoy healthy, vigorous flowers and dramatically improved fruit and vegetable flavors. Best of all, Big Bloom™ will intensify flower fragrance, and it will increase essential oil production, which means stronger flavors in herbs, fruits, and vegetables.

[/FONT]Tiger Bloom: [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]This is an ultra-potent, fast-acting, high-phosphorus fertilizer with just enough nitrogen to sustain healthy, vigorous green growth during flowering. The low pH keeps it stable and ensures that the micronutrients will be available when plants need them. In addition to containing critical trace minerals, we brew our liquid fertilizer with earthworm castings and kelp meal for a biologically active formula.

I use FF nutrients + solubles. I use the feeding schedule for reference, but do not follow it exactly. On the first feeding, I feed big bloom and grow big at 1/4 strength.
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bongmarley2009 said:

Taken from FF's website

Big Bloom: [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Big Bloom™ is ideal for all flowering and fruiting plants, and it’s safe enough to use every time you water. You’ll enjoy healthy, vigorous flowers and dramatically improved fruit and vegetable flavors. Best of all, Big Bloom™ will intensify flower fragrance, and it will increase essential oil production, which means stronger flavors in herbs, fruits, and vegetables.

[/FONT]Tiger Bloom: [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]This is an ultra-potent, fast-acting, high-phosphorus fertilizer with just enough nitrogen to sustain healthy, vigorous green growth during flowering. The low pH keeps it stable and ensures that the micronutrients will be available when plants need them. In addition to containing critical trace minerals, we brew our liquid fertilizer with earthworm castings and kelp meal for a biologically active formula.

I use FF nutrients + solubles. I use the feeding schedule for reference, but do not follow it exactly. On the first feeding, I feed big bloom and grow big at 1/4 strength.
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What is the purpose of quoting Fox Farm's marketing pitch for mostly chemical supplements in the organic forum?

madodah said:

What is the purpose of quoting Fox Farm's marketing pitch for mostly chemical supplements in the organic forum?

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So, from reading fox farms website, Big Bloom is organic, and Tiger is not, correct?

I'm interested in potency and taste, i could care less about yield being super massive or not, as long as the quality is there. I smoke about an ounce of 'kill' every two months... and that's if I'm puttin the fire to it, much less if it's a busy couple of months...
I'm currently not concerned about getting these plants done fast, though I am a fan or hydro, I want these to be healthy plants and as good for me as they can be, since I am going to put them in my body.... why the fuck is this illegal!?!?! I could just pull my hair out sometimes, this is idiocy to jail people for gardening, Get mad about it people we need to change some things with our law... /end off topic rant

TheRuiner said:

So, from reading fox farms website, Big Bloom is organic, and Tiger is not, correct?

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Big Bloom is their only organic liquid or soluble supplement. The rest destroy soil microbes and create a dependency on chemical supplements to increase their sales volume. It's the time proven Miracle Grow method of collecting market share based on dependency of time release agents. Though I have heard rumors FF is in the process of developing a complete line of organic liquid and soluble supplements to meet expanding and successful competitors as specialty markets like cannabis and vegetable/fruit cultivation are favoring organic growing. Organic and tea are now important marketing buzz words and product lines.

I'm interested in potency and taste, i could care less about yield being super massive or not, as long as the quality is there. I smoke about an ounce of 'kill' every two months... and that's if I'm puttin the fire to it, much less if it's a busy couple of months...
I'm currently not concerned about getting these plants done fast, though I am a fan or hydro, I want these to be healthy plants and as good for me as they can be, since I am going to put them in my body.... why the fuck is this illegal!?!?! I could just pull my hair out sometimes, this is idiocy to jail people for gardening, Get mad about it people we need to change some things with our law... /end off topic rant

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