For All Cap Ebb and Grow Users

hellraizer30

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
yes you have a point but its very easy to fix this issue so saying CAP sucks probibly aint helping this thread with negative input.
if you have read any of this thread you would have seen/read solution to this lol, and advanced nutes rock.
 
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MoJobud

Active Member
Anyone else have a problem with the drain pump trying to keep the controller level steady? The float on the bottom is at an angle from the factory. As the final bit of water pumps out from the controller via the hose to the res tank it shuts off when the float drops. Great but then the water that didn't make it all the way to the res in the line comes back and creates a wave action and the float goes back up so the pump tries to pump water out and this cycle is never ending.

What did you guys do? I am thinking my line might be too long or is this just common with the CAP system and I just live with it?

Also if you raise your buckets to drain fully, you lose about a good inch of space for hydroton or just grow space. Is this a problem for any of you? Should I just keep the buckets at ground level with the controller?

thanks
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
raising the buckets is ok dont worry about the loss of hydrotron. and the pump issue will due that I solved it by raising the front of the
command box the side with the timmer on it, only raise it like a 1/8 in so a peace of cardboard is what i did. it lifts the front just enough
to allow all the water in the line to drain back without triggering the switch.
 
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MoJobud

Active Member
hellraizer30 said:
raising the buckets is ok dont worry about the loss of hydrotron. and the pump issue will due that I solved it by raising the front of the
command box the side with the timmer on it, only raise it like a 1/8 in so a peace of cardboard is what i did. it lifts the front just enough
to allow all the water in the line to drain back without triggering the switch.
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Sir you are a fucken GENIUS. Thank you. If I wasn't so new to this board I would rep you.
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
MoJobud said:
Sir you are a fucken GENIUS. Thank you. If I wasn't so new to this board I would rep you.
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hey there are more thing that can be done, and should be done to this system, filter bags that go around the pumps to stop hydrotron
chucnks and stuff from geting though. also the CAP pumps are kinda junk so watch them they do go out, I replaced mine as soon as
I could afford it. the bigest reason I mentioned the filter bags are to stop junk from geting in the little float switches in the command
box, had one stick up and burn a pump up.
 
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MoJobud

Active Member
I hear you. I knew of the other alternatives out there prior to purchasing the CAP unit yet I still wanted to see first hand and then possibly build my own. First thing I would do is raise the damn timer.
 
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hempdaddy

Member
nice thread. i'm looking forward to try this waterculture/floodtable hybrid.
here's my question, how does this system stack up against its competition? i've seen on ebay some knock off bucket systems, some of them claim to have improved feature set; then there's the sentinel mef1, and the undercurrent, which is highly regarded by growers up north.

to the kitty fight featherweights, ya'll need some perspective. growin, like everything else in this universe, is about balance. here's what i mean
bleach is great for disinfecting things, sterilizing environment and whatnot, it's really good at killing things, should you run into any pest or fungi problem it can be a quick cure. however if u introduce lots of microorganisms to the rootzone it wouldn't make much sense to use bleach too often.
there are people claiming u can't go above 90 degrees growin. I've grown time n again in temp in the 100's and even higher. they will do fine and produce lots, as long as u can move enough air and provide enough carbon dioxide.
hydroton and rockwool, both are great, time tested, tried n true grow medium. hydroton is novice-friendly, easy to use, the little pallets can be tough to manage at times, and the pallets look nasty when dry, but the ability to reuse more than make up for it. rockwool is somewhat more difficult to use, some could give you wild pH drifts, not to mention should the grower really screws up, disease and pests in the rootzone could be tough to treat; however rockwool is really popular among commercial users, cause when rw is used efficiently, it will provide a level of simplicity around the rootzone no other medium come close to.
in the end, it doesn't matter what u use, each part has its pros and cons. it's about finding your balance, it's about how u put the pieces of the puzzle together to design a strategy that accentuates your advantages while mitigating the disadvantages, a strategy that best fit around the environment you have and the resources you employ.
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
hempdaddy said:
nice thread. i'm looking forward to try this waterculture/floodtable hybrid.
here's my question, how does this system stack up against its competition? i've seen on ebay some knock off bucket systems, some of them claim to have improved feature set; then there's the sentinel mef1, and the undercurrent, which is highly regarded by growers up north.

to the kitty fight featherweights, ya'll need some perspective. growin, like everything else in this universe, is about balance. here's what i mean
bleach is great for disinfecting things, sterilizing environment and whatnot, it's really good at killing things, should you run into any pest or fungi problem it can be a quick cure. however if u introduce lots of microorganisms to the rootzone it wouldn't make much sense to use bleach too often.
there are people claiming u can't go above 90 degrees growin. I've grown time n again in temp in the 100's and even higher. they will do fine and produce lots, as long as u can move enough air and provide enough carbon dioxide.
hydroton and rockwool, both are great, time tested, tried n true grow medium. hydroton is novice-friendly, easy to use, the little pallets can be tough to manage at times, and the pallets look nasty when dry, but the ability to reuse more than make up for it. rockwool is somewhat more difficult to use, some could give you wild pH drifts, not to mention should the grower really screws up, disease and pests in the rootzone could be tough to treat; however rockwool is really popular among commercial users, cause when rw is used efficiently, it will provide a level of simplicity around the rootzone no other medium come close to.
in the end, it doesn't matter what u use, each part has its pros and cons. it's about finding your balance, it's about how u put the pieces of the puzzle together to design a strategy that accentuates your advantages while mitigating the disadvantages, a strategy that best fit around the environment you have and the resources you employ.
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Ive tryed to order the sentinal mef1 and the company keeps saying its not up for sale or the market yet due to some issue, frome the looks pros/cons of the sentinal
#1 pro raised buckets but I solved this by raising mine
#2 pro digital timer and control box
#3 pro its blue lol JK
#4 cons doesnt come with a res tank
#5 cons isnt on the market to my knoledge even though its advertised
#6 cons and the $ is steep

so I went with the Cap was cheaper and with upgrades its working great
 
shnkrmn

shnkrmn

Well-Known Member
I've done that. No tip, no trick. just put some hydroton in the bottom of the bucket and drop in the plant, net pot and all. backfill with hydroton and you're good.
 
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MoJobud

Active Member
shnkrmn said:
I've done that. No tip, no trick. just put some hydroton in the bottom of the bucket and drop in the plant, net pot and all. backfill with hydroton and you're good.
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thanks. So do you clone in a rockwool cube, transplant to dwc or aero cloner then Ebb and grow? Trying to just use the ebb and grow in my bloom room and want to come up with a good solution for my clone and veg prior to putting them in the E&G system.
 
shnkrmn

shnkrmn

Well-Known Member
I clone in aero. When I have roots they go straight into hydroton. Seed I do from rockwool. Those I set so the flood just barely touches the bottom of the RW. DWC is a compact solution if you want to veg a little.
 
Ferredoxin

Ferredoxin

Active Member
MoJobud said:
thanks. So do you clone in a rockwool cube, transplant to dwc or aero cloner then Ebb and grow? Trying to just use the ebb and grow in my bloom room and want to come up with a good solution for my clone and veg prior to putting them in the E&G system.
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I clone in an aero cloner, then move the babies to a 3x3 flood table in their own 6" net pot with hydroton. When ready i just drop the net pot in the ebb & grow, backfill with the 'ton, and away we go.
 
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